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Ryan Tannehill

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by bbqpitlover, Oct 16, 2019.

Ryan Tannehill is...

  1. A terrible QB

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  2. A below average QB

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  3. An average QB

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  4. An above average QB

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  5. An elite QB

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  6. The GOAT.

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  1. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Well it helps to have one of the most disciplined groups of receivers year on and year out, that Brady can trust to run the correct route the correct way. Makes his job so much easier.
     
  2. The Guy

    The Guy Well-Known Member

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    If that kind of ability in a receiver translates to the sixth-highest passer rating of all time over an 18-year career with six Super Bowl wins, then you would expect a decent percentage of those Patriots’ receivers to make the Hall of Fame, no?
     
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  3. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    How many different receivers has it been though. Good coaching for that position sure, but gotta give a lot of credit to the guy who throws the ball.
     
  4. The Guy

    The Guy Well-Known Member

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    If the receiver trait of “disciplined route-running” were able to translate to the sixth-highest passer rating in history over an 18-year career that includes six Super Bowl wins, disciplined route-running would’ve been vaulted to the top of the priority list in drafting receivers in the present day NFL, and receivers high in that trait would be prioritized over quarterbacks in terms of draft position and salary.

    Is that something anybody believes has happened?
     
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  5. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    No. Dependable isn't the same as special.
     
  6. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I do give him credit. I just don't give as much as others, for many reasons.
     
  7. The Guy

    The Guy Well-Known Member

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    But if “dependable” translates to the sixth-highest passer rating in history over an 18-year career with six Super Bowl wins, why isn’t dependable receiving the top priority for general managers around the league in terms of drafting players and paying them?
     
  8. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Thanks for your fairy tale. I'm not saying it's ONLY the receiving corp. I am saying that his receivers play a huge part in Brady being able to get rid of the ball so quickly.
     
  9. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Who knows. I'm not in their meetings.
     
  10. The Guy

    The Guy Well-Known Member

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    You don’t need to be in their meetings to see the evidence of the players they prioritize in terms of draft position and salary. And it certainly isn’t “dependable” receivers over quarterbacks.
     
  11. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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    I'll say this, for me, I would have kept Tannehill instead of picking up Fitzpatrick. It would have avoided the cap hit and Fitz wasn't exactly a major upgrade.

    For all everyone says, I like the guy. He gave his all, always played hard. He earned my respect.

    I hope he does well and makes decent money.
     
  12. mooseguts

    mooseguts Well-Known Member

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    Well I also said

    Brady had 456 TDs in 235 games and 137 less pass attempts than it took Marino to get 420 TDs in 240 games.
    Brady had 517 TDs in 267 games and 793 less pass attempts than it took Favre to get 508 TDs in 298 games.

    But you conveniently didn't address this and retorted back with something bout yards for some reason. Clearly you hate Brady and will never give him any kind of credit so this conversation is pointless. Good day to you sir.
     
  13. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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  14. Vertical Limit

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    Tannehill always plays good against the Chargers. I dont know what is it about the Chargers that he just loves going against them.
     
  15. The Guy

    The Guy Well-Known Member

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    Tannehill has played this way lots of times.
     
  16. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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    We know. That's the point of the Tweet.
     
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  17. The Guy

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    He just took a sack after standing in the pocket like a statue for three and a half seconds before feeling any pressure, and then starting to move way too late like usual.
     
  18. Vertical Limit

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    Interception.. thats the tannehill we all know
     
  19. Deus ex dolphin

    Deus ex dolphin Well-Known Member

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    Shockingly, Tanny has still not developed any awareness in the pocket when it comes to the pass rush.
     
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  20. Vertical Limit

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    Lol i just noticed the Titans also hve Cody Parkey... they recently signed him..how he still has a career in the NFL after what he did in Chicago is one of life’s many wonders
     
  21. Vertical Limit

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    And he just missed an extra point lol
     
  22. The Guy

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    Tannehill is playing very well. We’ll see if he can outduel Rivers in the clutch.
     
  23. Vertical Limit

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    That was the weirdest last minute of a football game, ever. Good lord
     
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  24. heylookatme

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    The Dolphins suck so much that this is the most active thread on the forum right now. Sums it up.
     
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  25. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    Tannehill did us a solid today. Beating the Chargers as his teams usually do helps us out with strength of schedule.

    Rivers is his *****.
     
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  26. Fin-O

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    Ryan was threading intermediate passes like he always has, even took some sacks he always has but found the win!

    They are a better team with Tannehill at the helm, I think he may end up starting his first playoff game this year.
     
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  27. danmarino

    danmarino Justice for Jacob Blake Club Member

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    You have to adjust for era. Marino, for example, shattered a 25+ yr old TD record and held it for a few decades. Brady beat that mark by 1 or 2 TD's and held it for 2 years. Compare how long it took Manning to get the same stats as Brady and then talk to me.
     
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  28. danmarino

    danmarino Justice for Jacob Blake Club Member

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    My premise was meant to be stats. MAybe I should have worded it better.

    My post still stands. Brees has put up better numbers and yet gets less MVP's and All-Pro's, why? Because he has played for an inferior team.

    Every time the Pats have been without Brady since 2001, that QB puts up the same stats as Brady during the time he was replaced. Why is that? The Pats could have won 6 Super Bowls with an average QB. Which Brady really was in their first 3 wins.

    Brady is a HoF QB because he has HoF numbers. He does not have GOAT number, however.
     
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  29. Phins_to_Win

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    Great game for Tannehill. I hope he has found a home. It was still time for us to move on cause there just wasn't anymore goodwill in the fan base for him, but I still like the guy and hope he delivers for Titans.
     
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  30. The Guy

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    Brady has the sixth-highest era-adjusted career passer rating of all time, behind only Young, Montana, Rodgers, Manning, and Warner, and in front of Brees.

    And if the Patriots could’ve won six Super Bowls with only an average quarterback, then a far greater percentage of the past 25 Super Bowls in the league would’ve been won by average quarterbacks, but that isn’t what we’ve seen.

    When you put the above two simple pieces of information together, you should readily reach the conclusion that Brady is exceptionally good and arguably the best of all time.
     
  31. danmarino

    danmarino Justice for Jacob Blake Club Member

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    This is part of an article written after last year's Super Bowl:

    "The wins argument is the clearest sign that your talking to someone who only has a casual knowledge of how the NFL works. Here is the easiest argument I can make for why Super Bowl wins are irrelevant to the conversation of the greatest QB to ever play the game. Tom Brady goes 16/27 for 145 yards and 1 TD with a QB rating of 86.2 and wins the super bowl in 2001/2002. Tom Brady goes 28/48 for 505 yards, 3 TD’s 0 INTs and a QBR of 115.4 in 2017/18 and loses. If you believe in the Rings argument you have to say the first performance was better because he won the Super Bowl. If you have half a brain and realize Tom Brady played better last year than he did in 2001 and in this most recent game then you realize its not the wins that matter but the performances in those wins. Because Tom Brady’s performances in the playoffs and in the Super Bowl are some of the best arguments for why Brady is the best QB to ever play, except most people don’t make them. People just like to parrot the six rings because they are incapable of reading a stat sheet. Winning a playoff game or a super bowl comes down to a team performance, Sunday night proved that more than anything. The Patriots Defense won that game not Tom Brady, wins are a team stat. We need to start judging players on their performances not purely by the result."

    "The third and final reason why Tom Brady is not the GOAT is because he is statistically not above the other all time greats, and by that I mean Peyton Manning and Joe Montana. That’s the group that Brady belongs to and you can rank them any way you want because the difference between the three is minimal, they are the GOATs of the QB world. Tom Brady is often known for his late game heroics. In his career he has had 35 fourth quarter comebacks, enough to put him in second place in NFL history. Peyton had 43 fourth quarter comebacks in his career. Manning leads Brady in passing yards by about 1400, with 125 more completions on only 7 more passing attempts in their respective careers. So statistically manning was a better passer, more efficient and equally as clutch in the fourth quarter as Brady. When it comes to TD’s Manning sits ahead of Brady still with 539 TD’s to Brady’s 517, and he’s done it more efficiently than Brady. Other statistical categories Manning leads Brady on? Yards per game and yards per attempt which makes manning’s better efficiency with completions and TDs even more impressive."

    "Where Brady shines is in playoff stats, he moves ahead of Manning here in volume. The key is to compare their averages to see if Brady’s longevity is the reason for this or does he elevate his play that much above Manning. Brady Averages 279.9 yards per game compared to Mannings 271.8 yards per game, showing us that Brady’s longevity and playing deeper into the playoffs provides for his volume yards stats more than out playing Manning. Both Manning and Brady are within 0.1% of each other in pass completion percentage as well. So what do these stats tell us? These stats tell us that The Patriots ability to make deep runs in the playoffs are what give Brady his superior volume stats in the post season. By their averages if Peyton had the amount of playoff appearances as Brady’s their numbers would be rather similar. Clearly statistically the difference between Manning and Brady is nearly non existent and the rings argument cannot be used to differentiate between the two as their averages in the playoff and regular seasons are nearly identical."

    https://bellyupsports.com/2019/02/tom-brady-is-not-the-goat/
     
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  32. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    They will...

    Moss, Amendola, Welker, Edelman...I expect to see all 4 in the HoF eventually
     
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  33. The Guy

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    OK, so let's break that down.

    The issue is the degree to which Brady's six Super Bowl wins of the past 18 are attributable to him or to his receivers.

    Moss has already been inducted into the HoF, but he won zero Super Bowls with Brady.

    Welker also won zero Super Bowls with Brady.

    Whether Amendola makes the HoF or not, which is highly debatable, is immaterial, because Brady won four of his six Super Bowls without Amendola.

    Likewise, Brady won three of his six Super Bowls without Edelman.

    So the conclusion to be made here -- which is entirely consistent with intuition and common knowledge -- is that Brady is far more the common denominator than these receivers in his six Super Bowl wins, and therefore far more responsible for his Super Bowl wins than they are.
     
  34. danmarino

    danmarino Justice for Jacob Blake Club Member

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    Yeah, Brady and his 20th ranked passer rating this season is the reason they are 7-0.
     
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  35. The Guy

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    What does that have to do with the point that the receivers mentioned above have far less to do with Brady's six Super Bowl wins than Brady?
     
  36. danmarino

    danmarino Justice for Jacob Blake Club Member

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    It's pointing out that if you actually look at the Pats over the years, including this year, it's not Brady.

    When Brady plays well, they win. When Brady plays bad, they win.
     
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  37. resnor

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    You’re ignoring the fact that Brady was NOT the driving force for AT LEAST the first 3. That was most definitely defense and Vinatieri.
     
  38. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I’ve been trying to explain this for years.
     
  39. The Guy

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    Look, they have a dynasty. The best explanation for that kind of team performance is that virtually all aspects of the organization -- including the quarterback -- are exceptionally good. Dynasties don't happen otherwise. You don't rule the league for 18 years straight without one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time.

    Specifically, Brady has the sixth-highest era-adjusted career passer rating of all time during that period of time, so during exactly which significant period of time did he play "bad"?

    So far this season Brady's passer rating is 94.8, which is above the league average of 91.4, so he isn't playing "bad" even now.

    They are 7-0 due to Brady's playing like he is, in conjunction with surrendering an extraordinarily low opposing passer rating of 35.6.

    But that is no different from what the Patriots have done throughout their dynasty, as they've had the best passer rating differential in the league during that period, and they have the best one in the league right now as well.

    Obviously with his sixth-highest career passer rating of all time, Brady has been a huge part of that.
     
  40. danmarino

    danmarino Justice for Jacob Blake Club Member

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    Every time Brady hasn't played the Pats played as if he were behind center. Brady is currently the 20th ranked QB in the league. And yet they have the #1 offense and #1 defense. That's not due to Brady. Brady has been a constant piece in the Pats' Dynasty...he has been a big piece, but he's never been a major piece.
     

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