Ryan Tannehill

In terms of regular season passer rating surrendered, Tannehill faced the best team in the league this week, and he will be facing the second-best team in the league next week.

that titan fan that keeps posting on these boards said if Vrabel is smart he would copy what Miami did and i disagreed.. what we did to the Patriots was improbable.. they underestimated the Dolphins big time, and they paid for it. They slept on Parker, They let a journeyman quarterback destroy their secondary at their house on 41 pass attempts.. that never happens against a Belichick defense in Foxborough.

the plan was exactly as i said it should be, run it through Derrick Henry all game and give yourself a coin flip chance of winning in the 4th quarter.

had Tannehill attempted 25 passing attempts, the Patriots are advancing. That means more defensive stops. Henry was moving the chains at ease.

Don’t forget that on the drive where Tannehill fumbled he also had some clutch 3rd down plays.

The toss to Dion Lewis under duress moved the chains. And also the play where he kept the option and ran for a first.

Both were 3rd down conversions in the 4th quarter that got them in scoring position to begin with.

"The Guy wrote:

Tannehill still hasn't "won" in the playoffs. He had a passer rating of 61 today. Teams have lost 22 of the 33 playoff games (67%) since 2004 in which they had a passer rating between 55 and 67.

So his performance gave his team more of a chance of losing than of winning. Obviously the rest of his team compensated today, however.

Tannehill won today. His 2 or 3 "clutch" throws, including the TD, and the HUGE 3 and 8 conversion pass for 11 yards to convert the first down at the end of the 4th quarter, more than made up for Brady's meaningless 20 completions and 200 yards.

You should seriously take up another sport that isn't so team oriented. You don't seem to grasp the concept that a group of 11 guys has to act in concert in order to succeed.

Maybe try table tennis or bowling.

Here's Brady's post season record. You'll find MANY subpar performances where the team carried him - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00/gamelog/post/

Here's Peyton Mannings. MANY of his postseason games are far worse as well - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannPe00/gamelog/post/

Here's Marino's post season record - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MariDa00/gamelog/post/

The teams they played for ONLY made the playoffs due to them playing well. Tannehill posted an average passer rating in comparison to much of what's list at those links.

He lead an offense that beat the NE Patriots in the playoffs at home in Foxboro. That's a huge accomplishment in itself.

"cbrad wrote:

Yeah, and I've already shown "defense wins championships" isn't accurate. Offense is about 5% more important, and on average you need a well above average offense AND a well above average defense to win. Have to let the data guide the theory, not the other way around.

We shouldn't be re-hashing that debate.

So then the question to be begged brad is this...

Did Tennessee's defense shut down Brady and the Patriots' offense....or did the Patriots and Brady not perform offensively?

"Bumrush wrote:

Say what you will about 17 tonight but the 3rd down throw was the dagger. That one throw was better than anything TB12 threw tonight.
On that basis alone Tannehill deserves a ton of credit.

That pass alone was more clutch, i.e. important, than any pass Brady made on the night. He actually had several clutch throws. Some didn't count due to DPI or penalty.

Regardless, this win for him was HUGE.

"cuchulainn wrote:

Tannehill won today. His 2 or 3 "clutch" throws, including the TD, and the HUGE 3 and 8 conversion pass for 11 yards to convert the first down at the end of the 4th quarter, more than made up for Brady's meaningless 20 completions and 200 yards.

You should seriously take up another sport that isn't so team oriented. You don't seem to grasp the concept that a group of 11 guys has to act in concert in order to succeed.

Maybe try table tennis or bowling.

Here's Brady's post season record. You'll find MANY subpar performances where the team carried him - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00/gamelog/post/

Here's Peyton Mannings. MANY of his postseason games are far worse as well - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannPe00/gamelog/post/

Here's Marino's post season record - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MariDa00/gamelog/post/

The teams they played for ONLY made the playoffs due to them playing well. Tannehill posted an average passer rating in comparison to much of what's list at those links.

He lead an offense that beat the NE Patriots in the playoffs at home in Foxboro. That's a huge accomplishment in itself.

Yet in the post you quoted, I said his team compensated for him today.

The point I responded to was that Tannehill won in the playoffs. That isn't altogether true. His performance today would result in 67 losses in every 100 games in the playoffs.

It's okay to believe he didn't have a good game.

"cuchulainn wrote:

Tannehill won today. His 2 or 3 "clutch" throws, including the TD, and the HUGE 3 and 8 conversion pass for 11 yards to convert the first down at the end of the 4th quarter, more than made up for Brady's meaningless 20 completions and 200 yards.

You should seriously take up another sport that isn't so team oriented. You don't seem to grasp the concept that a group of 11 guys has to act in concert in order to succeed.

Maybe try table tennis or bowling.

Here's Brady's post season record. You'll find MANY subpar performances where the team carried him - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00/gamelog/post/

Here's Peyton Mannings. MANY of his postseason games are far worse as well - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannPe00/gamelog/post/

Here's Marino's post season record - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MariDa00/gamelog/post/

The teams they played for ONLY made the playoffs due to them playing well. Tannehill posted an average passer rating in comparison to much of what's list at those links.

He lead an offense that beat the NE Patriots in the playoffs at home in Foxboro. That's a huge accomplishment in itself.

And to add to that, those were some seriously blatant PIs that didn't get called. When you're holding a receiver's arm down so he can't make a play on the ball, I'm sorry, that's beyond "let 'em play." I counted three blatant non-calls...two of which were arm-bars on a dime throw on 3rd down. Tannehill can't let that stuff get in his head though.

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

So then the question to be begged brad is this...

Did Tennessee's defense shut down Brady and the Patriots' offense....or did the Patriots and Brady not perform offensively?

I'd say a mix of both. There were some good coverages and PBUs, but they dropped their share of passes, and Brady wasn't all that accurate either. Probably more on the Patriots not executing.

"cuchulainn wrote:

Tannehill won today. His 2 or 3 "clutch" throws, including the TD, and the HUGE 3 and 8 conversion pass for 11 yards to convert the first down at the end of the 4th quarter, more than made up for Brady's meaningless 20 completions and 200 yards.

You should seriously take up another sport that isn't so team oriented. You don't seem to grasp the concept that a group of 11 guys has to act in concert in order to succeed.

Maybe try table tennis or bowling.

Here's Brady's post season record. You'll find MANY subpar performances where the team carried him - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00/gamelog/post/

Here's Peyton Mannings. MANY of his postseason games are far worse as well - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannPe00/gamelog/post/

Here's Marino's post season record - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MariDa00/gamelog/post/

The teams they played for ONLY made the playoffs due to them playing well. Tannehill posted an average passer rating in comparison to much of what's list at those links.

He lead an offense that beat the NE Patriots in the playoffs at home in Foxboro. That's a huge accomplishment in itself.

If Tannehill is on the winning side, it is a team sport, if Tannehill is on the losing side, he isn't good enough to get his team to win.

I can tell by your response, who you're arguing with even though they have me blocked. That should tell EVERYONE all they need to know.

Thill had good moments, but not a good game. Ultimately, he made fewer mistakes than Brady, and his teams run game and defense were the better on the day.

He did enough. Probably enough for the truthers to claim his ascension and the haters enough to crow his fall to earth.

The truth is he gets another shot to prove people right, and we can just fucking not care and celebrate the Pat's looking like complete butt for a good half the season and await a fun off-season.

"texanphinatic wrote:

Thill had good moments, but not a good game. Ultimately, he made fewer mistakes than Brady, and his teams run game and defense were the better on the day.

He did enough. Probably enough for the truthers to claim his ascension and the haters enough to crow his fall to earth.

The truth is he gets another shot to prove people right, and we can just ****ing not care and celebrate the Pat's looking like complete butt for a good half the season and await a fun off-season.

Shut-out in the entire 2nd half with a pick-6...gotta love it.

"The Guy wrote:

Yet in the post you quoted, I said his team compensated for him today.

The point I responded to was that Tannehill won in the playoffs. That isn't altogether true. His performance today would've resulted in 67 losses in every 100 games in the playoffs.

It's okay to believe he didn't have a good game.

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Not a SINGLE person has said he had a good game. What has been said is that he made clutch plays when it mattered.

As for the hasn't won in the playoffs BS, you cannot be the QB, the defacto leader of the offense, and not be a winner when you throw a TD, make crucial plays, like the TD and they late 3rd and 8 conversion, help your team win the game, and NOT be a winner. Even in the long history of Brady of Manning having bad games in the playoffs, they still "won".

You tried to make hay earlier tonight with the BS over passer rating, only Brady ended up with a worse passer rating. So no matter how you try slant it, Tannehill is still a playoff game winner and beat Tom Brady in a Playoff game at Home in Foxboro.

67 games be damned. It only takes 2 or 3 to be a SB Champion.

"texanphinatic wrote:

Thill had good moments, but not a good game. Ultimately, he made fewer mistakes than Brady, and his teams run game and defense were the better on the day.

He did enough. Probably enough for the truthers to claim his ascension and the haters enough to crow his fall to earth.

The truth is he gets another shot to prove people right, and we can just ****ing not care and celebrate the Pat's looking like complete butt for a good half the season and await a fun off-season.

“Truthers” LoL.

He is likely going to have a long day vs the Ravens next week. While I hope not, it is just a bad matchup for Ryan and crew.

He didn’t play well today, but he made the throw of the game. I’d take the latter every day of the week.

In the likely result of then losing next week, I hope he balls out and throws for 300+ and 4 TDs, just for the privilege to log into this thread and see all the flip flopping everyone starts doing..its predictable as hell.

Hooe I’m wrong and they pull off and even bigger upset @BAL, just don’t see it however.

"cuchulainn wrote:

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Not a SINGLE person has said he had a good game. What has been said is that he made clutch plays when it mattered.

As for the hasn't won in the playoffs BS, you cannot be the QB, the defacto leader of the offense, and not be a winner when you throw a TD, make crucial plays, like the TD and they late 3rd and 8 conversion, help your team win the game, and NOT be a winner. Even in the long history of Brady of Manning having bad games in the playoffs, they still "won".

You tried to make hay earlier tonight with the BS over passer rating, only Brady ended up with a worse passer rating. So no matter how you try slant it, Tannehill is still a playoff game winner and beat Tom Brady in a Playoff game at Home in Foxboro.

67 games be damned. It only takes 2 or 3 to be a SB Champion.

The point the person was making who started this particular discussion is that, contrary to what some believe, Tannehill has the ability to win in the playoffs.

Now, if by "ability to win," people mean he can perform in a way that's associated with losing in the playoffs and be compensated for by his team, then yes, he has the "ability to win" in the playoffs, as that was demonstrated today.

If what they mean is that he can perform himself in a way that's associated with winning in the playoffs, then that remains to be seen.

"Fin-O wrote:

He didn’t play well today, but he made the throw of the game. I’d take the latter every day of the week.

I wouldn't take the latter, because the stars need to align by virtue of the rest of the team's performance for that throw to exist. If the Titans' running game and defense don't do what they did tonight, Tannehill is having to do far more than hit a 10-yard out on 3rd and 8 for a critical first down. He's having to march them down the field at crunch time and score points.

"The_Dark_Knight wrote:

So then the question to be begged brad is this...

Did Tennessee's defense shut down Brady and the Patriots' offense....or did the Patriots and Brady not perform offensively?

I've never done that kind of statistical analysis. It would require looking at the expected distribution of single game stats for any particular matchup between offense and defense, and then using that distribution to calculate the probability of observing the stats you actually observed in the game. The data is out there to do that kind of analysis but it is a MASSIVE undertaking.

So I can't answer that kind of question right now using statistical analysis. Very good question though.

"The Guy wrote:

The point the person was making who started this particular discussion is that, contrary to what some believe, Tannehill has the ability to win in the playoffs.

Now, if by "ability to win," people mean he can perform in a way that's associated with losing in the playoffs and be compensated for by his team, then yes, he has the "ability to win" in the playoffs, as that was demonstrated today.

If what they mean is that he can perform himself in a way that's associated with winning in the playoffs, then that remains to be seen.

Welcome to TEAM sports???

As the great Catfish Hunter once replied to reporters after a losing effort, "The sun don't shine on the same dog's ass all the time."

Here's something for you to chew on... The Pats haven't WON a Wild Card game since 2006.

They're 2-2 in the WC round and have never had to play on the road in the first round.

Lol.

"cuchulainn wrote:

Welcome to TEAM sports???

Does the quarterback not make a contribution to the team?

If he does, we can easily determine whether his contribution is associated with winning or losing.

"The Guy wrote:

Does the quarterback not make a contribution to the team?

If he does, we can easily determine whether his contribution is associated with winning or losing.

I'm glad to see we agree that the Titans won tonight due to Tannehill's efforts in helping the TEAM win. Even if his efforts appear to be lesser than some other games.

"The Guy wrote:

Tannehill still hasn't "won" in the playoffs. He had a passer rating of 61 today. Teams have lost 22 of the 33 playoff games (67%) since 2004 in which they had a passer rating between 55 and 67.

So his performance gave his team more of a chance of losing than of winning. Obviously the rest of his team compensated today, however.

and as I said earlier in this thread.... numbers and stats don’t tell the whole story.
You’re missing it because you’re concerned about the numbers that fit your narrative specific to one player.

You’ve got to open your eyes man.

There were several plays tonight than Tan shill audibled and changed to key runs. Several key throws as well.

While the numbers may not look pretty. It’s. It relevant. What’s relevant is the W and the TEAM complementing itself with the run and pass and taking what the Pats were giving.

Titans ran and passed well on the first drive. That TD Todd was a beauty under pressure.. from there it seemed like NE was more focused on shutting down the lass and the Titans were content to run it down their throats which is because their run D is weaker than their pass D. It’s called complimentary football and winning game plans. It’s not all about numbers guy.

stats are helpful. Sure. But the old eye test never lies. It doesn’t matter whether one player had more “impact”. than another. The outcome matters. That’s all. If you can beat a team with more run than pass so be it. Because they’ve won ole ty if other games this season based on the pass.

This whole argument is stupid. Did they win? Yes. Is RT a part of that. Yes. Is Henry? Yes End of story. The parts change weekly. Who cares. The outcome is what matters. It the numbers.

"The Guy wrote:

I wouldn't take the latter, because the stars need to align by virtue of the rest of the team's performance for that throw to exist. If the Titans' running game and defense don't do what they did tonight, Tannehill is having to do far more than hit a 10-yard out on 3rd and 8 for a critical first down. He's having to march them down the field at crunch time and score points.

In literal terms making the throw of the game or game clinching throw, is always better as it results in a Win.

"cuchulainn wrote:

I'm glad to see we agree that the Titans won tonight due to Tannehill's efforts in helping the TEAM win. Even if his efforts appear to be lesser than some other games.

We don't agree about that. My position is that the team won in spite of Tannehill's performance.

A passer rating of 61 loses a good number more games than it wins, so Tannehill's performance actually helped the team lose, and other parts of the team compensated for that to the degree that a loss didn't occur.

"The Guy wrote:

We don't agree about that. My position is that the team won in spite of Tannehill's performance.

A passer rating of 61 loses a good number more games than it wins, so Tannehill's performance actually helped the team lose, and other parts of the team compensated for that to the degree that a loss didn't occur.

But they won. Yes? Because it's a TEAM sport... so, in fact, Tannehill won. Right? That makes him a playoff game winner. Yes?

You certainly don't think they lost do you? Or that Tannehill lost?

"cuchulainn wrote:

But they won. Yes? Because it's a TEAM sport... so, in fact, Tannehill won. Right? That makes him a playoff game winner. Yes?

You certainly don't think they lost do you? Or that Tannehill lost?

Again, if the point is that Tannehill can perform in a way that's associated with losing and be compensated for by his teammates to such a degree that he wins a game in the playoffs, then yes, "he" can win in the playoffs.

Folks, we're talking about a guy here who just went out and completed 8 of 15 passes for 72 yards, 4.8 yards per attempt, and a passer rating of 61. This isn't rocket science. He didn't have a good game.