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Ryan Tannehill

Discussion in 'Other NFL' started by bbqpitlover, Oct 16, 2019.

Ryan Tannehill is...

  1. A terrible QB

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  2. A below average QB

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  3. An average QB

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  4. An above average QB

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  5. An elite QB

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  6. The GOAT.

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  1. The Guy

    The Guy Well-Known Member

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    An interesting article:
    So, note that the above perspective centers on whether Tannehill has the surroundings that enable him to perform in a low-volume manner.

    https://dolphinswire.usatoday.com/2...lphins-learn-from-tannehills-postseason-push/
     
  2. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    For years I claimed that some QBs had an advantage over Tannehill because of their supporting cast. I was labeled an "excuse maker" good QBs lift their teams up. There is really little difference in talent between NFL rosters. #AllAboutTheQB.

    Now that Tannehill is succeeding, it is the supporting cast..... He is being carried by the team. The surrounding talent is amazing and unique. #NotAtAllAboutTheQB.

    What a difference a year makes.....
     
  3. Fin D

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  4. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    I mean, Peyton Manning was clearly better than Ryan Tannehill. Yet we saw a washed up Peyton win a final ring on smarts alone, with an incredible defense and amazing skill players. The team completely carried who I believe to be the best quarterback who's ever played...but Henry or a defense can't help out Tannehill at times? That's a ridiculous statement.

    Look at the national championship game last night- Clemson was winning when their D was confusing Burrow. But once they figured out the blitzes and Burrow took off running, the entire game came down to Lawrence beating LSU almost single-handed. A lot of folks may say Lawrence choked as LSU took the lead and dialed up the pressure, and that's EXACTLY the situation we put Tannehill in for most of his time in Miami. Heck, we saw the same thing with Lamar Jackson last week as well- some folks are now saying "he's not a QB". That's ridiculous though since you can't expect a QB to completely dominate without some help around him.

    So unless you're going to tell me that Peyton Manning, Lamar Jackson and Trevor Lawrence all suck, then I don't see why you'd pay too much attention when people say that about Tannehill.
     
  5. Phins_to_Win

    Phins_to_Win Well-Known Member

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    Come on man. Sometimes you drift into a reasonable stance, only to throw it all out the window a few posts later. No team should be expecting to go into Chiefs stadium and dismantle a team that has been designed to win and win big.

    There are literally a thousand things that could go wrong that have nothing to do with Tannehill. You are better than this post.
     
  6. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    In golf, you can maintain a handicap. Let's say you're a 7 handicap. That's really good. However, all that means is that basically you should shoot in that range I think it's 25% of the time. You might have 4 rounds that look like 93, 97, 101, 80. But that means that 75% of the time you are shooting above your handicap. I look at rating the same way. It's one thing to do it over a season, but all it takes is for the QB or receivers to have an off day in the playoffs, and it's over.
     
  7. The Guy

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    That's true for any game, for any team, against any opponent. That statement doesn't tell us a thing about the 2019-2020 Tennessee Titans and what to expect from them, given their recent history.

    I could likewise say "come on man" to you for producing a statement that's devoid of meaning when applied to the 2019-2020 Titans.
     
  8. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    :sidelol:
     
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  9. The Guy

    The Guy Well-Known Member

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    Further, how do you figure the Titans went into Baltimore and dismantled a team that had been winning and winning big?

    No team should've been expecting to do that either, but it happened.

    To answer that question you have to actually take a look at how the team is functioning, which you aren't doing.

    The question is, why shouldn't that be expected to happen again in Kansas City? But again, to answer that question you have to take a look at how the team is functioning.
     
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  10. AGuyNamedAlex

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    How come when the opponent QB plays poorly it's the Titans defense being strong and carrying the team to victory against a superior QB but when Tannehill plays poorly it's just him being inadequate?

    Can we say that Tom Brady and Jackson are inadequate to lead a team in the post season because they played worse than standard?
     
  11. Phins_to_Win

    Phins_to_Win Well-Known Member

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    You just stated that the ONLY reason one would be worried about losing to the Chiefs is if you believe Tannehill's play has been a mirage.... My statement isn't that anything can happen, its that narrowing the whole thing down to JUST Tannehill is ridiculous, BECAUSE anything can happen.

    Great QBs lose all the time. They lose to teams that they shouldn't lose to all of the time. Brees just got eliminated by the Vikings. By all accounts he had the better team, this doesn't prove Brees is a bad QB.

    IF you believe the Titans are a great team and the Chiefs are a bad team, then you can start to make your claim(still it would be wrong, but at least it would make some sense). But if you have two of the best teams going at it (and you do) no way should either side feel overly confident... its just really bad logic.

    Hell we are Dolphins fans, go back in history and remember every time Marino was in a playoff game, if you weren't a little worried each and every game then you are probably less of a fan they you think you are. I ALWAYS believed we had the better QB, but that didn't mean **** if the game played out the wrong way for us.
     
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  12. resnor

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    EXACTLY. It's another example of bad faith posting.
     
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  13. The Guy

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    We can say that about any QB for whom there is the finding that when they are asked to carry the load as measured by an above-average number of pass attempts in games, their performance plummets. We need to look at the QBs for whom that's the case and determine if there are any patterns in that regard.
     
  14. Mcduffie81

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    So very true.
     
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  15. The Guy

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    So in essence you're saying that the Titans' recent history, when applied to the game against the Chiefs, affords us no ability to make logical (though unconfirmed) predictions about how the team will perform?
     
  16. AGuyNamedAlex

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    I dont necessarily believe that rating going down with pass attempts is correlated to skill.

    It certainly can be but it can also be based on how your team and scheme are built as a whole.

    The Titans dont have the skill position players at WR or TE to pass 50 times a game. It isnt on the QB alone.
     
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  17. The Guy

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    And what that would suggest is that the QBs for whom that's true are more dependent on team and scheme than the QBs for whom it isn't.
     
  18. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    It only suggests that certain teams are better built for passing all around than others. That includes QB talent.

    Unless you can find specific examples of teams not built to pass the ball where the QB has been successful in high volume games consistently.
     
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  19. Mcduffie81

    Mcduffie81 Wildcat Club Member

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    Still trolling for an argument? This is circular nonsense.

    I cannot believe this. My post gets deleted and I get my wrists slapped.
     
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  20. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    I'll debate until the cows come home........


    I dont own any cows.
     
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  21. Phins_to_Win

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    You just don't get it... They didn't go into Baltimore expecting to dismantle them. They went in expecting a dog fight and they took advantage each and every time the ball bounced their way. Dismantling Baltimore came down to them executing when the Ravens didn't.

    How does beating one dominant team equate to you should now beat all dominating teams??? YOU are the one not taking basic football into account. Baltimore isn't a mirror copy of KC, the coaching staff will be working tirelessly from now to the game trying to find mismatches to exploit and defenses that will work. KC will be doing the same. What happened in Baltimore tells you nothing about what will happen in KC. We could be 5 minutes into the game and Titans might have to abandon their game plan, or vice versa.
     
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  22. Fin D

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    "Evolution" implies progression towards improvement.

    What you laid is true, but certainly not an improvement.
     
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  23. Mcduffie81

    Mcduffie81 Wildcat Club Member

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    There’s no reason to debate him. He’s wrong about everything involving Tannehill.

    At this point he has this thread held hostage with his trolling. I’m sick of it. No other discussion is going about Tannehill because he’s mastered trolling all of you.
     
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  24. The Guy

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    I'm shocked that Vegas is able to formulate a line for any games, given those conditions. When history tells us nothing about what we should likely expect in a future game, how can we come up with a point spread that keeps the power bills paid in Vegas?
     
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  25. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Actually I think this thread would have died out a long time ago and/or wouldnt be as fun without him.

    Like I've said before, I dont care if hes trolling or not. If he wants to waste his life bashing Tannehill I think it's really us trolling him in that case by letting him go on.

    As I've said though, I'm not sure hes trolling anyone. I dont find questioning whether or not Tannehill will maintain his play crazy. I do think hes wrong on many levels but like I said that isnt a crime.

    It's possible he really believes what hes saying. Even if we think its illogical.
     
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  26. Phins_to_Win

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    You can make them all you want. You can also go put a ton of money on them since you seem to think you know whats going to happen. I would advise against it though.

    Actually I would go a step further and say that you CAN'T expect the same thing from the earlier meeting. The team that lost is going to make sure that you don't beat them the same way twice. Two well coached teams going at it again for a second time in a season, will almost never give you the same type of results. A good game plan will make sure that you have to find a new weakness to exploit.
     
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  27. Mcduffie81

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    There’s a clear and distinct difference between someone logical like DJ, and this “Guy” who’s been blocked by a large group of posters.

    I would like to have a discussion or argument too with someone. But not this person. It’s ridiculous.
     
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  28. Fin D

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    You're not debating. Debating implies two or more parties acting in good faith. You're the only one in that discussion operating in good faith.
     
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  29. The Guy

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    The question would be whether a decrease in performance as a function of above-average numbers of pass attempts varies according to the ability of QBs, over the entirety of their careers, across many situations and configurations of surrounding personnel.
     
  30. Phins_to_Win

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    Funny, considering how badly Vegas missed on the Baltimore game. Funnier still they made a ton of money cause people refused to bet on the Titans no matter how many point they gave. But lets take a look at Vegas... oh... they have Chiefs winning by 7 1/2 points. You think they forgot about last week? I mean its clear that since Titans beat one powerhouse that they were going to beat them all right? AND NOW is when you try to claim that the entire vegas odds is based on Vegas not believing in Tannehill, cause that's where the next line of trolling takes you.

    I wanted to believe that you weren't just a base troll on the boards... I really really did...
     
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  31. The Guy

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    What I'm saying in essence is that there are relatively stable characteristics of teams that allow us to make logical predictions about what will happen when they play each other. This is in large part how point spreads and over/under figures are generated, for example.
     
  32. The_Dark_Knight

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    Actually, since you’re so high on QB, QB, QB is how a team that scored 531 points during the regular season, averaging 33.18 points per game and a QB that threw for 3100 yards, 36TD, 6 int with a QB rating of 81.8 (wait, can that be right? All those passes, all of those yards, all of those points and be a below average QB in the rating system?) GET dismantled. Shouldn’t have happen in the World According to Guy football universe...but it did!!

    All those games...all that offense and they got beat badly. THAT’S the question you should be asking
     
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  33. The Guy

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    Here are quotes (below) from several people saying essentially the same thing I am. I presume they aren't posting as frequently about it because they aren't as interested as I am in studying how the game functions. These playoffs offer a great opportunity to learn more about how the game functions.

     
  34. The Guy

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    You won't find a better predictor of who wins and by how much than the Vegas line. There is nothing "trolling" in bringing that up.
     
  35. Mcduffie81

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    Just get it all out.

    What is your end goal here in this thread? What are you here in this thread to prove?

    Make a clear statement on how you feel about Tannehill. What is your prediction about how things end this year with him?

    Stop with the never ending vague blather. Stop rebutting questions people ask you with a different question you feel is more relevant.

    And for gods sake break down Tannehill’s actual play like has been asked. We are waiting. Otherwise you are just a troll.
     
  36. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Something JUST dawned on me. I can’t believe it was staring us in the face the whole time...

    Someone here keeps using the term “low volume”. Could it possibly be the reason Tannehill’s having a low volume season is that approximately 1 out of every 5/6 passes he throws ends up a touchdown?

    Kinda hard to keep throwing passes when you’re in the sideline!
     
  37. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    What cracks me up the most about his latest "position" is that high-volume performances are all created equally...when ANYBODY who has ever watched this game over a season or longer, can tell you that is absolutely NOT the case.

    Teams like KC are built to pass pass pass...they have a generational talent at the QB position, so it makes sense. Mahomes throwing for 35 to 40 passes is the norm. The TEs, receivers, backs, are ALL expected to catch the ball with frequency and volume. They are completely schemed to take advantage of the pass and to feature it as their driving factor in managing the game. If you look at his ratings this year when throwing that much, it's up and down (mostly up), but he has some low rated games in there.

    Teams like Tennessee are built differently, they have a heavy run influence. While Tannehill is an excellent QB and has been outstanding this year, he's not a generational talent. They're geared around controlling the ENTIRETY of the game with the run. Their OL is great at run blocking, and Henry has proven he can take advantage of it and carry the day. The better it works, the more they're going to use it, period. If Tannehill is throwing the ball 35-40 times in a game, they're getting their tails whooped to begin with and playing from well behind...teams are pinning their ears back because the KNOW a pass is coming on every down.

    KC could very well jump out to a 2 score lead in this game...not hard to fathom. But Tennessee won't do like Baltimore did, and abandon their game plan and go into desperation mode. They'll keep pushing Henry even if they go 3 and out a few times...its what they do. They'd have to be down a few scores late to come off of their plan, and at that point, if they need a drive or two, I have absolutely NO doubt Tannehill can get it done. He's shown it, this year, several times.
     
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  38. Cashvillesent

    Cashvillesent A female Tannehill fan

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    I think Brady played pretty good vs us. I just think he had no weapons on his squad, plus that Edelman drop was huge.... in the other hand I think Jackson choked on majority of the game.
     
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  39. The Guy

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    Jackson is another one whose performance historically has plummeted when he's been asked to throw the ball an above-average number of times. The other day he threw it 58 times, which is 23 attempts above average according to 2018-2019 figures. His passer rating? 63.2

    Notice I didn't mention Tannehill above. I'm studying how the game functions here, folks. I have better things to do than "troll" a bunch of people I don't know and will never meet. Don't flatter yourselves.
     
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  40. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Like I said I dont find your view outlandish. I do think you lean a bit too heavy on just numbers, but I also think numbers serve a purpose.
     
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