Ryan Tannehill is an average QB not a great one.

tannehill has many flaws pocket awareness, deep touch, timing, and he seems to never know when he needs to run and when he wants to run. However he did improve this year even though the last 2 weeks were mega stinkers so they are def locked into him for next year no doubt.

Also you have to realize, Brady atleast has a running game this season. Tannehill had NONE. not even close to having one.

"Fin-Omenal wrote:

My point was tossing out that stat is fickle since just about every passing stat means less now than it did 10 years ago. And him being the "best" in a while is only true as long as he keeps ascending. If Matt Moore had thee exact same numbers as RT this year nobody would be calling him a savior.

He might be the best we had in a long time but not by a big margin. I think Matt Moore could of gotten us into the playoffs. Tanny is not much better than him.

"Rouk wrote:

tannehill has many flaws pocket awareness, deep touch, timing, and he seems to never know when he needs to run and when he wants to run. However he did improve this year even though the last 2 weeks were mega stinkers so they are def locked into him for next year no doubt.

See, this guy knows what I'm talking about.

"yoge wrote:

He might be the best we had in a long time but not by a big margin. I think Matt Moore could of gotten us into the playoffs. Tanny is not much better than him.

:lol:

"ABrownLamp wrote:

He also threw the ball over 100 more times this year, you kind of expect the TD and yard numbers to increase when you throw that much more
He did better, for sure, but let's not get carried away. He didn't do that much better, and y the OLine obv didn't help

He went from a TD every 2.5% of his passes to every 4%. It wasn't just an increase because he threw more, it's because he played better too.

Watching the eagles/cowboys game now. This Nick Foles is the real deal. Wish Tanny was like him.

i have no doubt tannehills deep ball will be vastly improved. he has plenty of ability to throw it, it is all about timing. you see it now he is overthrowing wallace by a a slight margin(not to mention throwing a beautiful 30+ yard pass that should have been a touchdown but wasnt due to the PI that wasnt called), next year wallace is running under a vast majority of those for touchdowns.

if someone would have told me that in year 2 our converted WR turned QB would be throwing for 24 td's and almost 4,000 yards with 0 running game, a god awful oline i would have have laughed in their face.

i mean today you saw a bunch of play action passes, why would any sane defensive player actually bite on those?(by the looks of things they didnt) are the players scared that daniel thomas and lamar miller with this oline are going to break a massive run? are they actually scared they would break a run longer than 3 or 4 yards?

when was the last time our oline gave enough space for our running backs to break a huge long run? the last time i can think of (my memory sucks so i maybe wrong) was the bengals game, in which miller fumbled the ****ing ball.

"Stitches wrote:

He went from a TD every 2.5% of his passes to every 4%. It wasn't just an increase because he threw more, it's because he played better too.

didn't help that he had to throw because of the lack of running game. The whole offense this season was on Tannehill, he had no help at all from his oline or running game, granted the oline didn't help the running game either

"yoge wrote:

Watching the eagles/cowboys game now. This Nick Foles is the real deal. Wish Tanny was like him.

Wish we schemed our offense to get wide open guys and that we had a playmaker in the backfield like Lesean McCoy (who I screamed for, but we took Pat White).

Foles may be the real deal, but the comparison of the QBs between the two offenses just isn't fair IMO.

"bran wrote:

i have no doubt tannehills deep ball will be vastly improved. he has plenty of ability to throw it, it is all about timing. you see it now he is overthrowing wallace by a a slight margin(not to mention throwing a beautiful 30+ yard pass that should have been a touchdown but wasnt due to the PI that wasnt called), next year wallace is running under a vast majority of those for touchdowns.

if someone would have told me that in year 2 our converted WR turned QB would be throwing for 24 td's and almost 4,000 yards with 0 running game, a god awful oline i would have have laughed in their face.

i mean today you saw a bunch of play action passes, why would any sane defensive player actually bite on those?(by the looks of things they didnt) are the players scared that daniel thomas and lamar miller with this oline are going to break a massive run? are they actually scared they would break a run longer than 3 or 4 yards?

when was the last time our oline gave enough space for our running backs to break a huge long run? the last time i can think of (my memory sucks so i maybe wrong) was the bengals game, in which miller fumbled the ****ing ball.

This.

I do think Wallace-Tannehill will improve next season. Wouldn't give up on him yet. I think a lot of people are overreacting, glad these people are not involved with the organization at all!

"yoge wrote:

Watching the eagles/cowboys game now. This Nick Foles is the real deal. Wish Tanny was like him.

"yoge wrote:

Dude, its not the olines entire fault. Tanny's pocket awareness needs some serious work. Half the sacks were probably on him.

LOL. Just LOL at all of this.

"Stitches wrote:

Wish we schemed our offense to get wide open guys and that we had a playmaker in the backfield like Lesean McCoy (who I screamed for, but we took Pat White).

Foles may be the real deal, but the comparison of the QBs between the two offenses just isn't fair IMO.

Yeah, I cant believe we took Pat White. We put him in for one play, gets his bell rung and plays no more in the NFL. So many wasted 2nd round picks by this team.

And I thought thats why we brought in Philbin? He was going to implement the Green Bay style offense.

At this stage of his career, Tannehill is certainly nothing but an average QB in the NFL. Perhaps he will develop into a better QB next year, but when the team needed him the most the past two weeks, he failed to deliver.

Other young QB's in the NFL are better than Tannehill right now, but I'm willing to see how he plays in 2014 before I decide if he is the future for the Dolphins or not. Right now though, I believe Tannehill still remains a HUGE question mark going forward.

Wasn't Jon Kitna the real deal like 5 seasons ago...then the next season he wasn't? Wasn't Matt Flynn the real deal after one game...then he wasn't? Could name tons of these guys. Foles has certainly been impressive, we'll see if it translates into multiple seasons. This forum used to be filled with good, thoughtful posters, and this garbage that inundated the forum now was all over at FH. I wish it would go back there.

"HardKoreXXX wrote:

Yeah sure, "Bad" O-Line's have 2000 yard rushing seasons like Seattle just had.

How is he not in Wilson's class? Because the talent around him isn't as good?

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Wow? I can't tell if your f'n with me or just that stupid? Either way playing on the oline isn't just about run blocking. Or even pass protection for that matter. They help diagnose a D and help set a tone for the O among other things. Seattle's line isn't good at protecting the QB. That's not my opinion. It's a fact. Wilson has been pressured more than any other QB in the league over the last two years. He's running for his life a lot of the time.

"Jt0323 wrote:

This.

I do think Wallace-Tannehill will improve next season. Wouldn't give up on him yet. I think a lot of people are overreacting, glad these people are not involved with the organization at all!

I'm not too confident that Tanny's deep ball will improve. It seems like a skill you have or don't. Although it would certainly help to have a better oline providing adequate time for a drop back and follow through.

"Clark Kent wrote:

I'm not too confident that Tanny's deep ball will improve. It seems like a skill you have or don't. Although it would certainly help to have a better oline providing adequate time for a drop back and follow through.

However when he has time ....

"bran wrote:

i have no doubt tannehills deep ball will be vastly improved.

He hasn't completed that pass accurately once all season...and we threw it in 12 of our 16 games. In 7 games, we threw it twice or more. Tannehill doesn't have the touch, plain and simple, and its the sole reason we're not playing for something next week.

I'm fine with Tannehill's play so far. I'm really impressed that he didnt get happy feet after all the hits he took behind our oline. He's one tough SOB. What will make or break him is his deep accuracy. If he finds it he'll become a good QB. without it he'll remain average. This is his project for next year's improvement

Tannehill has some flaws in his game (deep accuracy, footwork and pocket awareness) that should be further along. I think the tea leaves are telling us that we need better and more experienced people at QB coach and offensive line coach as well as a far better OC.

Tannehill has an absolute boatload of untapped potential that this offensive coaching staff cannot seem to harness. I would hate to see him realize his potential on a different team.

"rtl1334 wrote:

Tannehill has some flaws in his game (deep accuracy, footwork and pocket awareness) that should be further along. I think the tea leaves are telling us that we need better and more experienced people at QB coach and offensive line coach as well as a far better OC.

Tannehill has an absolute boatload of untapped potential that this offensive coaching staff cannot seem to harness. I would hate to see him realize his potential on a different team.

Kid should visit Chris Wienke in the off-season. Get his physical tools and mechanics together.

"rtl1334 wrote:

Tannehill has some flaws in his game (deep accuracy, footwork and pocket awareness) that should be further along. I think the tea leaves are telling us that we need better and more experienced people at QB coach and offensive line coach as well as a far better OC.

Tannehill has an absolute boatload of untapped potential that this offensive coaching staff cannot seem to harness. I would hate to see him realize his potential on a different team.

I don't think there's a chance that we cut/trade him at this point, but he's being coached to be a pure pocket passer and the kid's just not suited for it. It's almost identical to when Pennington went down and we inserted Henne into an offense designed for noodle-arm touch passes...it just doesn't work. To be successful, Tannehill should have been moving outside of the pocket much more often, he sees the field better on the move and he's an able runner as well. In the pocket, he still freezes though, and the overall accuracy just isn't there. From slant passes to WR screens, he's consistently off and you can't win playing that type of football. So many of his passes (even when he was considered "hot") were late or off-target.

Part of that goes back to the coaching as well...how many times today did Tannehill throw an incomplete pass on 1st down and we ran Miller right up the middle on 2nd? Miller is a speed back that excels going around the perimeter, yet we're using him more in a fullback role that's going to get the kid killed. In any case though, you can't expect Tannehill (or any QB) to excel when the offense is so one-dimensional and there's accuracy issues to boot...it's a recipe for disaster.

A lot will change next season if we can put together a line, and I hope we are able to keep the same components we have as offensive weapons. I would personally bench Tannehill though because he's clearly not there yet. Leaving him out there to fail will likely end his career next season.

Stupid. Stupid as far as the eyes can see. No offensive line. No running game. Forest Gump coaching staff. A 60 million dollar WR who, if the ball isn't throw perfectly, won't fight for it. Yeah, You're right. Tannehill sucks. He's the only reason this team won 8 games. Did he have some clunkers? Sure. He beat Luck, Brady, Roethlisberger, Ryan and Rivers. He lead 4th quarter comebacks when the fraudulent defense gave up leads. People complain about him not using his legs enough. That's on the coaching staff. If he's being told to stay in the pocket by the staff, how is that his fault? Maybe you guys can't chant for Kyle Orton during training camp. And your love of Matt Moore is misguided. He was awesome against Buffalo huh? Tannehill was sacked, what, 58 times? The fact that he's not gun shy and survived is a testament to him. But yeah, he sucks. It's his fault the Oline is a pile of crap. It's his fault Miller and Thomas can't run. It's his fault there's no pass rush. It's his fault Ellerbe and Wheeler can't tackle and get bulldozed by running backs. I'll give you that his deep ball isn't very accurate. I'll also say that he does put it 50-60 yards IN THE AIR to his WR's. How many QB's do that? So I guess, in the end, our 2nd year QB, who has improved in almost every category sucks. Stupid. Stupid everywhere.

"MAFishFan wrote:

It's his fault there's no pass rush. It's his fault Ellerbe and Wheeler can't tackle and get bulldozed by running backs.

whoa, y u deflecting tho? What does defense have to do with him not being able to sutain drives?

"MAFishFan wrote:

I'll also say that he does put it 50-60 yards IN THE AIR to his WR's.

and never connect.

Errrything is bad, except for poor Tannehill.