Ideally then you want him thicker like Freeman or Ben , so maybe not your perfect build but is it not better than 90% of other QB's? Like I said , 21 , certainly a few years to get thicker , stronger if needed.
This is pretty much how I feel about him. And if he's there at #15 (or if we need to trade up), I hope Miami feels the same.
Imho there is no way he makes it past the Vikings at #14, not with Frazier talking about needing a "franchise Qb", plus their needs are not as clear as ours, they can easily afford to draft him and not degrade their core appreciably.
Totally agee and the more I watch the playoffs , the more emphatic it gets. If we don't solve this QB chasm we are in , the highlight of the playoffs will be seeing when (if ) the Jets lose. While I enjoy seeing the Jets lose , they actually may not ( scary thought ) and I want Miami to win in the playofs and that won't happen till we can compete on the QB level with all the playoff teams , imo.
Well I have said I see Minnesota as a probable spot for Newton , if they get him at 14 they will be overjoyed imo. Miami needs to be assertive and make the right decision , that hasn't happened a lot and a HUGE reason we are in the mess we are in currently. Newton or some other QB avenue that correctly rights the wrong. Tired , so effing tired of hoping we get lucky at the most important position in the game.
I don't quite understand this b/c you seem to be contradicting yourself. On one hand you're saying that we won't compete etc until we get a great QB, and on the other you're mentioning the Jets who have a worse QB than we do........ yet they're going to the AFC Champ game for the 2nd year in a row...... after beating Peyton & Brady back to back. Our problems extend far beyond our current QB situation. With FA coming AFTER the draft, we don't know if we'll land a decent RB, help on the Oline, or more playmakers..... and if you dont have any of that addressed, then there's less sense bringing in a young, developmental QB with the 1st pick when you now have a higher chance of ruining him (not to mention NOT having a 2nd round pick). The offense could end up being as bad off after the draft and FA as it was this season. The one thing they've emphasized is that they want to open up the offense which IMO deals more with addressing TE, WR, and RB (and a new OC).
Half of the NFL is constantly hoping they get lucky at the most important position b/c there arent enough great QBs to go around. 1st round QBs have a high bust %.... and unlike other positions, if you dont end up with a starter, the pick is basically wasted. If you use a 1st on a WR, he can still end up a contributing player as a #2 or slot receiver. TE? You need 2 of those. LT? We can move him to G or RT. C? We can move him to G. DE & DT? We can put him in our rotation. CB? Need at least 3 of these. S & LB- these guys can at least contribute on special teams. QB? Ooops, he's sitting on the bench holding a clipboard..... wasted pick.
How do you see Sanchez as being a worse QB than what we have ( presuming you mean Henne )? He has made throws when hes had to and when the opportunity was there , the TD to Holmes was a very good throw. Right now , does Henne have "it" and Sanchez doesn't? That it factor , to me is there for just one of them and it isn't Henne , at least right now. Our problems are more than just the QB , however imo that is the singularly biggest and most important problem. Disagree about bringing in a young QB , the time is now ( the time was now 10 years ago ) the longer we ait the more years we will see NY and NE control this division and if we don't smarten up , Buffalo may be ahead of us as well. You put in place what needs to be so you don't hinder a young QB , and if that means not exposing him till you solidify things around him , then you do that. If you need to have him develop and get action bit by bit , you do that. Waiting has got us here , outside looking in , with the view getting smaller and smaller ,imo. IMO , I want the future QB as soon as possible , if you have that chance this year you take it. Rather have that in place and go through some growing pains the next 2 ( or so ) years than try to do it the same way we have and getting no where fast. Slightly above average doesn't appeal to me , I want to be in the final four with a chance to win one game to be in the Super Bowl 2 years in a row like some other AFC east teams. That doesn't happen , especially being aware of our division rivals , till we get the QB in place we need. If that QB is there , this year? No question in my mind you do what you need to to get him. Period. Short term pain for long term gaim. Delayed gratification.
Like I said, not all concerns are created equal. Most people look at the surface, while I go below it. The "concerns" that people were displaying with Dez and Williams were unfounded IMO after I closely watched them (and watching has nothing to do with them playing the game). Newton: I don't have a problem with the kid, and I don't think he's a character risk. I have a problem with his psyche and mental side of the game. There are tons of 1st round busts over history, and its typically not b/c scouts misjudged a players talent level or talent potential. These guys usually bust b/c they either dont have the mental capacity to absorb the game or they don't have the inner drive to give 100% of themselves to their career. Athletes are no different than the rest of the population who face the same situation. Seattle's Mike Williams is a perfect example. #2 overall pick who busts b/c he relied too much on his talent and didn't give himself to his craft. I said in the offseason, while he was out of football, that this kid was gonna turn it around this year and Miami should go after him. I could tell that his light came on and that he was truly dedicating himself to success. DaQuan Bowers was the same way. #1 high school recruit who doesn't do much his first 2 seasons at Clemson. Then he loses his father and mentor, Gaines Adams, and decides he wants to make them proud by dedicating every ounce of himself to being great. Then all of a sudden he emerges as the most dominant defensive player in the country along with Fairley. Bowers even stated that he previously relied on talent and didn't take things seriously enough. I strongly question if Cam has that deep inner drive for greatness. I question if he can do more than rely on talent alone. I question if he has the mental strength required to dedicate himself at such a high level. I question his mental ability to overcome adversity when he's not accustomed to it. For me it's easy: human nature 101 tells me that the easiest route in life is the path of least resistance. This means that if a person has enough talent to get by without doing the work, then where is the need to endure the stress of the extra work? I haven't seen anything yet from Cam that leads me to believe he WONT take the path of least resistance. But if I do see it, I'll gladly change my mind b/c I have nothing against the kid.
Understand the point , just don't agree at all with it. We are close to a point where there will actually be a longer list of elite , franchise, strong , competent ( chose whatever terms you like ) QB's in the league. The premise you have is ok once you have established who your guy is , imo. I don't know , for me I am tired of floundering and think the likelyhood of that continuing is greater by hoping we get lucky on a QB as opposed to commiting the resource(s) needed to get it right.
So, y'all think the ability to read a defense and go through progressions is meaningless? Whenever you Cam Newton nut huggers talk about his positives, it is always about his physical ability. Not one thing can be said about his mental ability though, and that's because he was in a very simple offense where he wasn't asked to progress past his first read in the passing game. You may want to continue to ignore that aspect of playing quarterback, but an inability to go through progressions and read defenses is precisely why QBs similar to Cam Newton, like Vince Young, have failed in the NFL. It's not surprising to me really, because most of you on the Cam Newton bandwagon also thought Pat White could be a QB in the NFL.
Mike Williams (former lion, former titan, former USC WR, current Seahawk) was not the #2 overall pick.
You say a lot things but you haven't given a valid reason why you think he doesn't have the inner drive ... if you have insight please let me know ( not being snarky ). He is not a finished product , I think we all agree on that. However from people that actually know him and have inner contact with the Auburn football program , what you say is not what they feel and has been told to me. Therefore I go by that until someone that actually has some facts or inside link to him and Auburn states it differently.
How about you go find some posts to back up your bull **** claim there at the end. I never liked the Pat White pick under any scenario, and never thought he could be an NFL Qb, let alone any sort of Wildcat QB. I didn't like him in college, and definitely didn't like him in the NFL. And I've never claimed or even suggested that reading defenses and going through progressions isn't important for an NFL QB. Also, you're pretty quick to throw out that "nut hugger" label, so I can only assume you spend a lot of time around men's balls if you can spot others so easily. Maybe if you got your eyes out of the manscape you'd recognize that anyone who is ok with us drafting Cam realizes he has pros and cons, and likely isn't going to be a great QB right away (if at all).
And you swore that other QB's that you supposedly scouted would be pro bowlers , yet they weren't . Presumably , since you know so much , you should have been correct , yet you were not ,of course. How do you KNOW Newton can not learn to go through progressions? Has anyone with insight guaranteed that can't and won't happen? Or are you presuming it can't , the same way you presumed other players would succeed and did not? So in your opinion he won't be a competent NFL QB , but again that is your own opinion , which history has told you and everyone else can be very wrong , and wrong many different times. So really you have no more credibility to state that than most others? correct?
I can guarantee you that he's not going to be a great quarterback in the NFL because he does not have the mental make up to be a great QB in the NFL. He's not a pure drop back passer, and that dooms him from the very beginning. You have to be a pure drop back passer to have any success in the NFL. I've yet to see any of the Cam Newton nut huggers state the cons of drafting him, in particular his inability to read a defense or go through progressions. But you want to spend a first round pick on a guy who is at least 6 years away from even being remotely competent as a NFL quarterback, if he ever does become competent as a QB.
