RUMOR: Stephen Ross met with Scouts, Inc's Mike Giddings Jr. in last 72 hours

Agreed. Holding on for dear life to his autographed picture of Ireland.

 

Yep, although that didn't work out to well for Huizenga.

Chuck Neimas named himself Big 12 comissioner, and of course Dick Cheney is the ultimate example

 

yes, but would there need to be a waiting period so that any recently discussed information has sufficient time to become distanced and no longer potentially advantageous to the team hiring him?

 

On 1st round picks? Yes. Ireland should be able to tell you what he ate for dinner before every game.

Plus, that tips your hand asking for other opinions. If Ireland doesn't trust himself or his eyes, or can't convince Ross to trust him then why is he here?

 

No. I think he does ratings at certain times of the year. I think his draft book comes out 8 weeks before the draft, so we would be good there.

 

Right, my point is that he wasn't incarceratedbob until he actually started these types of things.

 

So basically it's the Carl Peterson non-story again?

 

Thats not the point. If he's getting that info, he has some type of access to inside information.

 

Sorry, this doesn't make a lick of sense. It is always a good idea to get 2nd opinions. ESPECIALLY on first round picks. Only a fool wouldn't get multiple opinions. ESPECIALLY on first round picks.

 

Either way, if this somehow manages to be true, I wouldn't be upset with Giddings at GM. Certainly would inspire more confidence than Ross hiring someone from a team that is winning these days, simply because that team is successful.

 

I'm referring to stuff like what CK posted at #87. I'm assuming Giddings knows sensitive information about some organizations or at least more intricate details that would unfairly benefit Miami or any team hiring him. I'd think, in order to avoid any type of lawsuit, he'd have to have X amount of time spent away from the consulting aspect before transitioning to GM.

 

I know. I just agreed that he was making ridiculous claims.

 

No, Payne very well could very well be accurate here. My point is that if he is accurate, then this is something the NFL would consider a major issue.

 

If you can't scout a guy that you are taking in the Top half of the 1st round you aren't worth your weight in salt.

If he asked for a 2nd opinion, I fully expect that most teams in the NFL would have known we were targeting Tannehill. Like playing poker it is never good to show your hand before the draft. If the Browns or Seahawks really wanted Tannehill they would have known we were highly considering him with our pick and could have jumped us.

 

Most definitely, which is why I felt it might pose a serious conflict of interest. Wonder how many times the Patriots have offered him a job.

 

I don't think its a problem. It isn't any different than if Brian Gaine were to become GM of another NFL team.

 

IDK, I could see the NFL stepping in and saying he'd first require a year off from consulting.

 

I really don't think so. His work and scouting ability is produced by him and sold to NFL teams. He would be taking his own talents and abilities here and stop selling them out.

I don't think there would be a legal case against him joining the NFL as a GM. Being that the NFL teams contract with him, it seems more likely that they have an agreement with him to not share his work with other non-paying teams.

 

Hmmmm... wasn't it Carl Peterson who conducted the coaching search ? So this guy claims that Ross bypassed Peterson and Ireland to talk to him ? I guess If Ross is getting an outside opinion i'd fist bump that. Interesting stuff.

 

I'm not sure I could compare a guy with recent ties to 1 team to a guy with ties to a few dozen.

 

They need him. The Patriots, as a whole, do not draft that well.

 

The trade secrets are his not the NFL's. For the most part he is giving information to teams, not the other way around.

If the NFL didn't let him take a GM job or made him sit out a year or anything like that he would have a HUGE lawsuit on his hands.

 

Does anyone really actually literally hate Ireland? I know I don't even if I do not agree with all his moves. IMO, the folks who may get labeled as hating him, do not actually, but just think there are better options out there. It just seems to me like those who support him, for the most part, feel the known (Ireland) is better or safer than the unknown (whomever we may get to replace him.)

 

I would expect that he actually has a non-disclosure agreement with NFL teams as well; so that they do not give out his ratings to other teams. I'm sure the NFL teams also have one with him as well. So that if they call about a certain player he couldn't tell other people that this team asked about this player.

 

Al Swearengen would be impressed with your wry, sardonic wit and humor.

 

Could Giddings potentially be a candidate to replace Brian Gaine? I know Gaine, for whatever reason, has been a name mentioned with some GM spots in the past.

 

That was my first reaction to the OP. Not that Ross may want to hire Giddings to replace Ireland, but to get his opinion on whether Ross should keep Ireland or if there are better choices available.

 

That article is dated 1982. Is it about Giddings Jr or Giddings Sr?

 

R. Lee Ermey as Gunnery Sgt Hartman in Full Metal Jacket.

 

His father. I didn't know it at the time because they have the same name other than the surname (and people can choose to use or not use the surname, at times).

Seems Jr. would help him out from a young age though based on a paragraph in there. And I am sure the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. A good read regardless.

 

Honestly, I really don't know if he would take that job. Most Assistant GMs have to change teams to become GMs and they typically don't make much money. I am sure he probably makes close to what Ireland makes right now with his consulting.

 

Well, you are just a bad bad man.