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RUMOR: Stephen Ross met with Scouts, Inc's Mike Giddings Jr. in last 72 hours

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  1. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Don't shoot the messenger.

    I don't know how reliable this guy he is. Obviously he claims to be an insider (hence the name).
     
  2. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    And for those of you who see this as wholly unbelievable, tell that to Tony Sparano.
     
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  3. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Anybody who sells gambling picks on their website is absolutely not an "insider".
     
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  4. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    Yeah, I was about to post the same thing. Kinda bizarre. Not sure what Giddings would know about being a GM outside of scouting personnel.
     
  5. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    Did Jeff Ireland go along this time? ;)
     
  6. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Will play out how it plays out.

    Ross can be impulsive.
     
  7. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    My take:

    -Could be asking about the overall level of talent on the team
    -Could be asking about talent in the draft
     
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  8. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    The name of the company apparently is Pro Scouts, Inc, not Scouts, Inc which is ESPN's company.
     
  9. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well, the guy was vouched for by Marc Kohn, who is definitely plugged in.

    In doing some research on Pro Scout (giddings company) it seems likely that we are already paying them anyway to perform the first level scouting.

    Now, I have no idea if the guy would be a good GM, since there is much more to it than scouting, as Ireland has proved, but I sort of like the outside the box thinking here, if the story is true. Much like I loved the Dave Toub/Mike McCoy interviews last year.
     
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  10. Perfectville_USA

    Perfectville_USA Mr Perfect

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    Ireland haters will be willing to take that bet!
     
  11. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Apparently, the Pro Scout system was set up 30 years ago by Giddings father, whow as the coach at Utah for two seasons in the 60's and founded the company in the 80's.

    Fisher and the Rams use him and Fisher had Giddings, Jr. in the meeting with Les Snead after Fisher first got the STL job. Apparently they consult for 15-20 NFL teams.

    Again, it's interesting outside the box thinking. Of course, that kind of thinking once led the Fords to hire Matt Millen....
     
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  12. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Assuming it's true, which is a big assumption, I think this is Stephen Ross just trying to get out there and talk to some people and get some perspective on what's going on with his team.

    The fact of the matter is Mike Giddings, Jr. is under contract with a dozen NFL teams to provide scouting evaluations. He has systems in place he uses to rate all rosters in the NFL on the basis of talent.

    While this PayneInsider guy claims that Ross' meeting with Giddings was definitely to talk about the GM job...it could be Ross is just trying to seek opinions outside of Jeff Ireland on Miami's own roster.

    This is from a piece about Jeff Fisher when he came back to coaching with the Rams, and there was a side bar that showed Fisher's schedule during one of the days of the Combine.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/jeff_diamond/02/29/jeff.fisher/index.html

    Essentially Mike Giddings Jr. is used by teams to get a 3rd party grip on what kind of talent they have on the roster and what's out there in free agency.
     
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  13. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Yeah it looks like Giddings is a consultant to half the league. I kinda like the outside the box thinking on this.
     
  14. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    ...and apparently a similar record in St. Louis despite already having a QB of the future, great draft spots, and a supposed all-world great HC in Fisher.
     
  15. Perfectville_USA

    Perfectville_USA Mr Perfect

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    Carl Peterson must approve of Jeff Ireland or he would be gone by now.
     
  16. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    I am pretty good about verifying sources..and nobody knows this guy.

    But I will say this...WHO would make something like this up? That alone makes this very likely true.
     
  17. Stringer Bell

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    Assuming this is true, then a gambling-tout being privy to any type of NFL front office information is extremely disturbing and a huge problem for the league.
     
  18. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I don't think that's a fair comparison. Matt Millen was hired after literally never having done anything close to resembling the job of General Manager, nothing close to the job of evaluating players and grading them, and it was based on the Lions owners' discussions with Millen about players over the year and the owner thinking wow this guy knows what he's talking about.

    This guy's been giving evaluations to the NFL for like 24 years.
     
  19. Stringer Bell

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    The same person who says things like this:

     
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  20. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    What does this have to do with anything?

    I'm just trying to give context on who the guy is, just in case there are in fact legs to this story.
     
  21. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I agree with this line of thinking. Comes way too far out of left field.
     
  22. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Payne could have gotten the info from somebody inside Pro Scout.
     
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  23. Aqua4Ever04

    Aqua4Ever04 Write Travis Write Club Member

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    Question for all the "Fireland" crew.

    If someone gets hired in his place that you've never heard of, is it still a win?
     
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  24. Stringer Bell

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    Right, and a gambling-tout being associated with Pro Scout is a huge problem for the NFL.

    If there is one thing that the NFL cares about, it is preventing any type of connections like this. What other information could Pro Scout be giving this guy?
     
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  25. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I agree with your thinking.

    I mean you really have to google Mike Giddings Jr. to get a sense of who he is, and it is highly unlikley that most people would even have heard of him.

    He doesn't appear to do many interviews, Pro Scout doesn't have a public website that I can find, the guy has no wikipedia page, nothing.

    In short, he's a serious professional consultant who gets his business through referrals. He's not Russ Lande (who I like) that will go on every radio show in the world during draft season.
     
  26. Stringer Bell

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    I'm not for Ireland getting fired.

    But those that are will tell you that they think Jeff Ireland has no chance of succeeding, so taking a roll of the dice is better than keeping him.
     
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  27. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    How do you think Las Vegas gets their information?

    Let's not be naive Stringer. Las Vegas has more inside info then the public and it has to come from the teams.
     
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  28. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    Not really.

    A Gidding meeting with Ross rumor? So sexy. I wonder how the NY Times resists putting this on the front page!

    Biggest stories of the last 50 years:

    A) Kennedy Assassination
    B) Watergate
    C) 9/11
    D) Ross meeting with Gidding.
     
  29. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    You're right, it has nothing to do with anything. No one brought up Fisher using him and no brought up this guy being interviewed for the GM position...so its ridiculous for me to post what I did.
     
  30. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Certainly it will remain to be seen, but I see no reason why a guy with this type of scouting background (more than Jeff Ireland had when became our GM) couldn't do just as good a job as Ireland and could possibly be better.

    Ireland had never negotiated a contract or a trade prior to coming here. He learned that on the job, much like Giddings would have to, but it isn't rocket science. You have to be a good bluffer, know the real values, etc.
     
  31. Patssuck

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    No, but I am very happy to be in the Fireland side until he proves he learned for the last two years.
     
  32. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    No nap today?
     
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  33. Aqua4Ever04

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    That's how I see it as well.
     
  34. padre31

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    Especially if one considers all the FA's and signing bonuses that Ross will have to pen in order to keep guys.

    Ross may like Ireland, but when tens of millions are on the line asking another opinion of someone respected in the league makes sense.

    FWIW, I'm neutral/leaning positive on Ireland, if he is fired it would not surprise, if retained it would not surprise.

    Felt we had to win either the SF game or the second NE game for Ireland to really be locked in.
     
  35. ckparrothead

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    I think you're really, really, really overstating things here.
     
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  36. padre31

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    Other thing is, Mike Silver usually breaks stuff like this.
     
  37. ckparrothead

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    (snicker)
     
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  38. schmolioot

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    What does Fisher going 7-6-1 this eyar have to do with giddings potentially being a candidate for our gM job?

    I assume you read my post, but again, I only brought up Fisher to point out the FACT that Fisher has used this guy's servcies before. I didn't suggest that the guy gave Fisher good advice or bad advice, or that Fisher took any of his recommendations at all. I simply pointed out that Fisher felt it was worthwhile to have Giddings in the meeting with Snead to asses the Rams roster.

    And regardless of whether you think Fisher is a great coach or not, he certainly is a credible one, and his view on a personnell guy is at least worth hearing
     
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  39. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    No..effing work needing to be done when I want to nap. Work sucks.
     
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  40. Stringer Bell

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    Computers/sophisticated modeling.

    A. This guy is a tout. He's not big-time. He scams people into paying him for picks. He's not Billy Waters.

    B. If he truly was getting inside information, he surely would not be posting it on Twitter.
     

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