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Roush and Saleen Stangs hit the streets.

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by Pagan, Jul 13, 2009.

  1. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    Some nice work on both....

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  2. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    The Saleen did a better job this time around. Much nicer than their preivous stuff IMO.
     
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  3. DOLPHAN1

    DOLPHAN1 Premium Member Luxury Box

    Who's behind Saleen now that Steve is no longer part of the company? Is it being run by a parent company or is still privately owned?
     
  4. calphin

    calphin deadly at 250 yards!!

    I like the front end, but the rear end is another story... it looks way to long and those taillights are something else!
     
  5. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    I don't know who's behind Saleen now, but I know Steve runs his new company SMS Supercars.
     
  6. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    What happened to Steeda? I liked the mod they did on the previous body style.
     
  7. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    Yea they had some nice body styling, I think they just can't hang with the performance of a Roush or Saleen.

    I mean, the Roush blower I got for my car has me at 615 hp at the crank with stock internals, and nothing else done to the car, and if I choose to build up the bottom end of the engine he can turn it up a notch and give me 750 at the tires. Do that math, that's about 880 at the crank. Steeda just can't match numbers like that.

    Then you have something like this, the SMS 25A Stang:

    * SMS Supercharged 5.0L Aluminum Block V8
    * SMS CNC Aluminum Heads
    * SMS Red Butterfly™ Induction System
    * SMS Billet Aluminum Watts Link System
    * SMS Cross Drilled 15" 6-Piston Front Brakes
    * SMS Cross Drilled 12" Rear Brakes
    * 6-Speed Transmission
    * 720 HP/612 WHP
    * 667 TQ/565 WTQ

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    Steeda just can't compete.
     
  8. Themole

    Themole Season Ticket Holder

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    OH MY!:knucks:

    BTW Pagan, where, what are they getting 427 CID from?
     
  9. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    The "427" doesn't stand for the CID bro...it's the horsepower at the crank. :wink2:
     
  10. DOLPHAN1

    DOLPHAN1 Premium Member Luxury Box

    I see Steve is sticking with the 5.0 L. Always liked the 5.0.
     
  11. Phinperor

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    that's what she said ???
     
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  12. Themole

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    :up: Thanks, didn't know that. 427 was the magic number for us old school Ford boys.

    Now...can you tell me in CID, not Litre's (I never liked em) what size hole all that HP is coming from?
     
  13. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    I hear ya...those old Galaxies with the 427 were killer. :devil2:

    Well I'm not sure which block they're using.

    I know my 4.6 is technically a 281. If the Roush 427 is using the 5.4 block that comes from the GT500 (which I'm sure it's not or else it'd have more horses) then it's a 329.
     
  14. Themole

    Themole Season Ticket Holder

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    They have come a long way since 1964! Carroll Shelby, took the 289, 271 HP HiPo engine in 1966 and boosted it up to 306 HP. I believe that was mostly through carburetion, it came with Fords cast iron headers. I remember an option of 6 weber down draft carburetors being offered that took the HP up to around 350.

    I had a friend that traded his beautiful Midnight Blue Hurst GT 350 in on a Pinto Wagon when his first child came along.:lol:

    I stay on top of the classifieds here in North Fl. searching for a 1963 1/2 Falcon Sprint I would like to do a retro mod on.
     
  15. Themole

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    Missed that one! In 1966 we put a 406 CID HiPo, dual Quad Carbs, dual point distributor, cast iron headers in an MGA Roadster. The drive shaft was only 14"s long! lol. being young and money scarce we ended up welding the spider gears for real positive traction. wouldn't turn very well but really hong down the strip!
     
  16. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    Yea, they have come a long way. It's amazing what you can do to create power these days from small blocks. Just a blower and a tune on mine and with the stock internals and 93 octane I'm pushing 620 at the crank. Mind-blowing.

    Is he still kicking himself in the ***? :lol:

    That'd be one sweet ride.

    OMG...LMAO!!! Self-made posi! Gotta love it! :knucks:
     
  17. Philter25

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    Saleen = beaaaaaaaaaaautiful!

    Roush isnt worth the coin. For the price, you are in GT500 territory.

    And the legality nerd in me wonders how the Roush can be DOT legal. I was under the impression that a car can only have a set of headlights and foglights on at the same time, yet the Roush has the stock GT headlights in the center grille and then a set of foglights in the lower vents.......
     
  18. Nappy Roots

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    **DROOLS**

    my goodness
     
  19. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    What makes you say that? Saleen's about the same price bro.
     
  20. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    4.6 is a better motor bro. :wink2:

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  21. DOLPHAN1

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    I know. I'm just fond of the Fox bodies with the 5.0. I see that a lot is being done with the 4.6 mod. I would love to have either. I miss my 'Stang...:sad:
     
  22. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    What happened to it?
     
  23. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    Gimme the Saleen, all black, with the rims of the second Saleen pic.
     
  24. DOLPHAN1

    DOLPHAN1 Premium Member Luxury Box

    I had an '82 GT. I was a younger, more foolish man and I did not take proper care. It was stolen and then totaled. Not too long after, I married and I was never able to "replace" that car. Like you can actually replace...well, anyway. Now that My marriage is coming to an end I may be able to some time in the near future, think of another.
     
  25. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    Yea that's what I'd take, only with the rims from the first one.

    Musclecars should only have 5 spoke rims. :up:

    Sorry to hear about your marriage bro. :sad:

    Hope something good comes of your hard times, and a Stang could provide the right amount of "feel good" for you. Nothing quite like an open-windowed cruise in a powerful car to make you feel better.

    Positive vibes your way, brother.
     
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  26. HardKoreXXX

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    You should go for the GT500 Super Snake. The Ultimate Mid-Life Crisis panty dropper :up:

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  27. Themole

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    I see the left hip of the love of my life sitting right behind it.
     
  28. HardKoreXXX

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    I can't tell, what kind of car is it?
     
  29. Themole

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    It's a Cobra. Not the Mustang version but the A/C version. I've read where Shelby still offered a few remaining originals. It is the most reproduced "Replicar" in history. In fact, there have been more replicas made than originals. It was and still is American Muscle at it finest.
     
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  30. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Gotcha. I used to have a client who owned one of those, total snob. He used to wear a polo shirt with the emblem on it and even had a picture of the car on his credit card.

    I told him I drove a Mustang Cobra, and he said "You realize they are not the same thing right?" Dick. Sweet car though. Carrol Shleby kicks every other automakers ***.
     
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  31. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    Beautiful car, but you can have the same for much less if you do it yourself.

    You're paying for the Shelby name.
     
  32. Philter25

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    The Saleen did a lot more to the car than the Roush did IMO. Check out the 25A you posted. Cosmetically and performancewise, he almost touched the entire thing. Front grill, hood, front bumper, roof, rear end, exhaust, everything is just goregeous. It looks like a totally different car. And then 720 hp is balls.

    The Roush on the other hand, add foglights and a new bumper, rear window louvers, and a little paint trim and it looks like a stock GT. The supercharger is only putting down 435 hp........ could it even take a stock Camaro?

    The Saleen is about the same price, but its done a LOT more than the Roush. You get much more bang for your buck with the Saleen.

    The only thing I've ever liked about the Roush cars was when they did the size exhaust on the old stage 3's. That made the car stand out. Theres nothing about that 427R that someone couldnt easily do themselves and save themselves a ton of cash. The Saleen on the other hand is a LOT more work.
     
  33. Themole

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    The Shelby name will definitely PAY dividends twenty years down the road.

    In 1966 the 427 SC Cobra sold for $6700 and change. The GT 350 was $4500.00. I've seen the Cobra go on Barrett Jackson for over $500K and some GT 350's $ 130+K.
     
  34. Themole

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    Carrol Shelby, did to the racing world in 1966, what the Dolphins did to the NFL in 1972.
     
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  35. Silverphin

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    I guess.....
     
  36. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    Since the stock Camaro is only .2 quicker than a '10 stock GT with 315 horse, I'd imagine that the Roush would be quicker.

    And yea, the 720 horse Saleen is the ****, but it's also gunna cost you WAY more than the Roush.

    No way that Saleen is the same price bro. As for bang for the buck, yea I guess for the packages you're right. For components for building a stock GT though, Roush is the better buy.

    Exactly...and alot more money. :wink2:

    This is true, if you have the coin to just buy a car and garage it with minimal use. If you have that kind of money goddess bless ya.

    I'm thinking more along the lines of someone who wants to buy a car and put together a monster for WAY less than the unreal price being charged for a Super Snake. That car is close to $100K. You can put together basically the same thing for way less.

    Unless of course, you want it as a museum piece or an investment.
     
  37. Philter25

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    I thought I remembered reading that the Roush was almost 50k and GT500 was just above 50k and the Saleen was only a little more than the GT500.... and I thought you said the same thing earlier:

    Did I mix something up?
     
  38. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    Yea bro...I was talking about comparative trim levels between Roush and Saleen. The 720 horse one is top of the line. That's the SMS 25A, and it's not really Saleen....it's SMS. Steve has a different company now. :wink2:

    And someone mentioned Steeda awhile back. Wow....not impressed in the least...

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    I knew they wouldn't be able to hang with Roush and Saleen...
     
  39. DOLPHAN1

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    It's the same color scheme as my old Pony.

    Yea, but if you are gonna buy complete, might as get the best. If you want Elanor, go to the source. Nobody does it like Shelby.

    If I want to build your self then I totally agree. :knucks:
     
  40. Pagan

    Pagan Metal & a Mustang

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    It's a matter of finance bro. The Super Snake will set you back - along with the cost of the GT500, which you have to purchase first and then have it converted to a SS - close to $100K.

    You can take a stock GT and put together an equal or quicker beast for a little more than half that cost.

    So yea, you're paying for the name. But like I said before, if you have the coin and are looking to invest, then Shelby's the way to go.
     
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