Rosen Returns

Someone has to wash the toilets.

If the team ends up drafting a QB in the first round, I'll be hoping that Rosen just shows up in camp and totally outclasses him the whole month, earning the starting job and keeping the rookie on the bench. Very little would be sweeter.

I think it's so obvious Rosen's a bust it's best to move on (seriously.. ONLY starting QB I can find since 1978 who hasn't even for ONE game played average statistically over his first 16 games!). But if he's going to be some 3rd string QB behind whoever we draft and Fitz and he's not eating up much cap, I guess it's not hurting us much.

I don't like the decision though. I'd rather draft a 2nd QB in the 7th round and hope to win a lottery that way than stick with Rosen.

Rosen is on a favorable contract. And I'm sure there's some GM out there who still thinks he can turn Rosen into a viable starter. There's always somebody who will claim, "he was a high pick for a reason". That has some value. Not a lot, but some. I would love to see Rosen light up some preseason defense and spur some team to trade for him. IMO it would be the best thing for him and for the Dolphins.

A trade seems to be the best for us, though I wouldn't be shocked if we tried to do it during the draft weekend, even if only for like a 6th. Hanging onto duds of first rounders is just a trap, cut your losses and move on.

The original news imo smells like smoke, hoping to drive up minimal value for a guy who just doesn't look good at all.

I hope it is for the trade bait, not any actual plan to put him on the field.

Maybe he needs time and the right environment to blossom. I’d be happier to see another team take that gamble.

"Pauly wrote:

I hope it is for the trade bait, not any actual plan to put him on the field.

Maybe he needs time and the right environment to blossom. I’d be happier to see another team take that gamble.

Yeah, there are plenty of XFL teams that could use him..

Honestly he didnt play as poorly as some people here would have you believe.

I have no issue retaining him and letting him compete fairly. He will only win if hes better.

Naw very favorable contract with upside. Keep him as number 2 behind the starter and bring in an injured qb tua to ride the bench next year that’s what I think they are going to do

I expected him to return but i have doubts he makes the team after the final week of preseason..

he isnt the quarterback of this franchise... thats very clear..

Rosen is two months younger than Joe Burrow. I'm not sure why anyone would think he cannot improve.

"Two Tacos wrote:

Rosen is two months younger than Joe Burrow. I'm not sure why anyone would think he cannot improve.

Of course he can improve. No one said he couldn't. I mean.. it's actually pretty hard to stay at the bottom consistently so sure if you kept playing him he'd at SOME point have a game with better than league average stats. And with new QB's constantly coming into the league he'd probably not keep his league worst ranking among starters like he had in 2018 (filter by rating to get only qualifying starters).
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2018/passing.htm

He didn't qualify to be on that list in 2019, but he was certainly on track to be by FAR the worst QB statistically in 2019 lol.

And the difference between Rosen and Burrow, Tua or any other college QB is that Rosen has now played a full season's worth in the NFL. So the uncertainty that surrounds these other college QB's isn't there with Rosen, which in this particular case works against him.

Also, Rosen has the distinction of being the ONLY QB picked top 10 that was traded away after only ONE season lol (not counting QB's traded before their rookie season). Worse, the reason for the trade from Arizona's perspective was to find a better QB!

Rosen = bust. Best to cut bad investments than hoping beyond hope there's some hidden gem in there.

"rafael wrote:

Rosen is on a favorable contract. And I'm sure there's some GM out there who still thinks he can turn Rosen into a viable starter. There's always somebody who will claim, "he was a high pick for a reason". That has some value. Not a lot, but some. I would love to see Rosen light up some preseason defense and spur some team to trade for him. IMO it would be the best thing for him and for the Dolphins.

Also, don't we usually just keep 2 QB's during the season? Now, if we bring in a guy who forces us, through his play, to keep a 3rd, then I am all for it. Otherwise, we need to churn that slot just like we do at other positions, IMO.

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"cbrad wrote:

Of course he can improve. No one said he couldn't. I mean.. it's actually pretty hard to stay at the bottom consistently so sure if you kept playing him he'd at SOME point have a game with better than league average stats. And with new QB's constantly coming into the league he'd probably not keep his league worst ranking among starters like he had in 2018 (filter by rating to get only qualifying starters).
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2018/passing.htm

He didn't qualify to be on that list in 2019, but he was certainly on track to be by FAR the worst QB statistically in 2019 lol.

And the difference between Rosen and Burrow, Tua or any other college QB is that Rosen has now played a full season's worth in the NFL. So the uncertainty that surrounds these other college QB's isn't there with Rosen, which in this particular case works against him.

Also, Rosen has the distinction of being the ONLY QB picked top 10 that was traded away after only ONE season lol (not counting QB's traded before their rookie season). Worse, the reason for the trade from Arizona's perspective was to find a better QB!

Rosen = bust. Best to cut bad investments than hoping beyond hope there's some hidden gem in there.

I would argue until I'm blue in the face that if you put nearly any 21/22 year old QB into the situations that he was in with the Cardinals and Fins, that they would do little better.

"cbrad wrote:

Of course he can improve. No one said he couldn't. I mean.. it's actually pretty hard to stay at the bottom consistently so sure if you kept playing him he'd at SOME point have a game with better than league average stats. And with new QB's constantly coming into the league he'd probably not keep his league worst ranking among starters like he had in 2018 (filter by rating to get only qualifying starters).
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2018/passing.htm

He didn't qualify to be on that list in 2019, but he was certainly on track to be by FAR the worst QB statistically in 2019 lol.

And the difference between Rosen and Burrow, Tua or any other college QB is that Rosen has now played a full season's worth in the NFL. So the uncertainty that surrounds these other college QB's isn't there with Rosen, which in this particular case works against him.

Also, Rosen has the distinction of being the ONLY QB picked top 10 that was traded away after only ONE season lol (not counting QB's traded before their rookie season). Worse, the reason for the trade from Arizona's perspective was to find a better QB!

Rosen = bust. Best to cut bad investments than hoping beyond hope there's some hidden gem in there.

Rosens first starts were better than Fitzs, the team was historically awful to start the year. They churned 25% of the roster the week before the season started. It doesn't matter if he develops enough to justify top 10 pick, Miami needs him to be a viable backup, he's not making much money. $2 Million, and the third qb roster spot, with the Dolohins cap situation, for a player with potential is not a very big investment. His issues seem mental and correctable. He can make any throw, and has a feel for the pocket. He has to improve with his reads and composure. Not insignificant things to be sure, but he just turned 23. He is still around year younger than Tannehill was his rookie season. Why wouldn't they try to develop that?

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

I would argue until I'm blue in the face that if you put nearly any 21/22 year old QB into the situations that he was in with the Cardinals and Fins, that they would do little better.

Kyler Murray is 22 with Arizona, basically same team, and performed slightly below league average his rookie year, not bottom of the barrel. It's the QB, not the "situation", which btw is hard to independently observe anyway.

And Murray isn't alone. Winston was 21 and played slightly below average statistically, same with Smith and Bledsoe as 22 year olds, and Stafford and Vick were playing at slightly above average levels at 22.

"Two Tacos wrote:

Rosens first starts were better than Fitzs, the team was historically awful to start the year. They churned 25% of the roster the week before the season started. It doesn't matter if he develops enough to justify top 10 pick, Miami needs him to be a viable backup, he's not making much money. $2 Million, and the third qb roster spot, with the Dolohins cap situation, for a player with potential is not a very big investment. His issues seem mental and correctable. He can make any throw, and has a feel for the pocket. He has to improve with his reads and composure. Not insignificant things to be sure, but he just turned 23. He is still around year younger than Tannehill was his rookie season. Why wouldn't they try to develop that?

Like I said in my first post, for the cap space he's taking away it's not that big of an issue, especially if he's just 3rd string. But if you already have evidence he'll never turn into anything more than average (if at all that), try developing someone NEW! I'd even be fine with an undrafted QB. At least there's greater chance you might uncover a hidden gem, you know like Warner, Moon or Romo.

"Two Tacos wrote:

Rosen is two months younger than Joe Burrow. I'm not sure why anyone would think he cannot improve.

Because people have this idea that once you've played in the NFL you are what you are. To them there is no such thing as working on your weaknesses or developing.

Most guys do fail to become true impact players regardless of how much time they are given. That's just because the NFL is a tough league to play and succeed in, obviously. Doesnt mean some guys cant develop and turn the corner. It needs to be treated on a case by case basis.

"Two Tacos wrote:

Rosens first starts were better than Fitzs, the team was historically awful to start the year. They churned 25% of the roster the week before the season started. It doesn't matter if he develops enough to justify top 10 pick, Miami needs him to be a viable backup, he's not making much money. $2 Million, and the third qb roster spot, with the Dolohins cap situation, for a player with potential is not a very big investment. His issues seem mental and correctable. He can make any throw, and has a feel for the pocket. He has to improve with his reads and composure. Not insignificant things to be sure, but he just turned 23. He is still around year younger than Tannehill was his rookie season. Why wouldn't they try to develop that?

It's not about stats, its always been about what he's shown on film. Rosen was only better than Fitz statistically b/c he had several 50/50 balls go his way. He wasn't better on film. Reality is that despite how smart he's supposed to be, his reads and processing speed have always been slow. When somebody doesn't seem to progress over several years it's difficult to have faith he will progress in the future. From the reports I've heard, the coaching staff was shocked when he got to camp with how bad he was. He only got those starts b/c Ross and Marino bullied the coaches into "seeing what we've got". And when Fitz replaced Rosen the difference in that game was remarkable. It would be great for Miami if Rosen were actually developing, but my guess is that staff doesn't believe he will. His contract is cheap so I expect he'll stick around as the third guy just b/c of that or at least until/if they can get some other team to bank on the "he's young and may progress" angle.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

I would argue until I'm blue in the face that if you put nearly any 21/22 year old QB into the situations that he was in with the Cardinals and Fins, that they would do little better.

People can of course disagree about how "the situation" should be measured, but it's the case that in 2019 the Dolphins were 0.89 standard deviations below the league mean in 2019 in points scored, and 1.77 standard deviations below the league mean in 2019 in points differential. Rosen's season passer rating (52) on the other hand was a whopping 2.89 standard deviations below the league mean in 2019 (minimum number of pass attempts = 100).

"The Guy wrote:

People can of course disagree about how "the situation" should be measured, but it's the case that in 2019 the Dolphins were 0.89 standard deviations below the league mean in 2019 in points scored, and 1.77 standard deviations below the league mean in 2019 in points differential. Rosen's season passer rating (52) on the other hand was a whopping 2.89 standard deviations below the league mean in 2019 (minimum number of pass attempts = 100).

The Dolphins in the first half of the season, with both Rosen and Beardo at QB, were completely awful. They were average the second half after they got their (stuff) together. Rosen didn't get to play once they did.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

Rosen didn't get to play once they did.

Which is telling, that in a "meaningless" season Rosen couldn't even get a shot.

"texanphinatic wrote:

Which is telling, that in a "meaningless" season Rosen couldn't even get a shot.

Its an X against the coaching staff, no question. And then Flores went and fired the OC that ran the system that worked so well in the second half of the year also. It certainly has me worried about him, and the direction that the team will be taking. The next few years could end up looking like one of the all time missed opprotunities by a NFL team.

From memory, I can recall three TD passes Rosen threw that were dropped.

Suppose they were caught, and his yardage was raised significantly because of them (Grant deep drops), his QB rating would be virtually identical to last year's stats.