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Ronnie Brown May Not Be a FA Afterall

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by late again, Aug 25, 2009.

  1. late again

    late again Senior Member

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    Straight from the horse's mouth: Per Armando...
    ..."It turns out Brown signed a contract that was for five years plus an option year when he was the second-overall selection in the draft in 2005. And according to Brown himself, the option is tied to whether the NFL and players reach a new collective bargaining agreement prior to the 2010 season. Currently, the CBA is scheduled to expire after the 2010 season with that season being an uncapped year.

    "The way it works," Brown told me, "is if they reach a new agreement, this is my last season under contract and I become a free agent. If they don't come to an agreement for 2010, I'm under contract to the Dolphins for another year. I have to play another year under the old contract because it becomes a six-year contract."
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    http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolp...-season-but-i-kept-looking-at-numbers-se.html

    This of course explains why there hasn't been such a rush to get him a new deal.
     
  2. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Wasn't it known he wouldn't be a FA anyways because he wouldn't have the proper number of years accrued to hit FA?
     
  3. GISH

    GISH ~mUST wARN oTHERS~

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    make him sweat it out. contract years are typically awesome.
     
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  4. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    eh, 5 years ago or not, he's getting #2 overall money. that aint bad.
     
  5. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    this makes sense to me
     
  6. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    I agree. As long as it's financially feasible to do so.

    I want to Ronnie a Dolphin for years to come. But, I don't want it negatively affect the FO's ability to potentially bring in or resign other talent.
     
  7. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    exactly
     
  8. King Felix

    King Felix Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    good..we draft his replacement this year and let him sit behind ronnie for one year.

    edit:if he is a FA after this year, then tag him
     
  9. like2god

    like2god Typical white person Luxury Box

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    Why draft his replacement? I agree that we should draft someone to bolster the position because we don't know how much more Ricky has left, but I don't think drafting someone with the intent of dumping Ronnie is a wise move. We will have other positions that need attention, RB isn't the problem. :wink2:
     
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  10. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think after this season will determine whether or not we draft a runningback to replace Ronnie Brown.

    What I would like to do is give Ronnie Brown a contract extension midway through this season if he is having a great year. If his 09 season isn't special, draft his replacemant, tag Ronnie, and let his replaceman sit behind him for a year.
     
  11. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    What in the history of Bill Parcells says that he will pay a lucrative free agent contract to a running back?




    1983 Butch Woolfolk 16 246 857 3.5
    1983 Rob Carpenter 10 170 624 3.7
    1984 Rob Carpenter 16 250 795 3.2
    1984 Joe Morris 16 133 510 3.8
    1985 Joe Morris 16 294 1336 4.5
    1985 George Adams 16 128 498 3.9
    1986 Joe Morris 15 341 1516 4.4
    1986 Maurice Carthon 16 72 260 3.6
    1987 Joe Morris 11 193 658 3.4
    1987 George Adams 12 61 169 2.8
    1988 Joe Morris 16 307 1083 3.5
    1988 Ottis Anderson 16 65 208 3.2
    1989 Ottis Anderson 16 325 1023 3.1
    1989 Lewis Tillman 16 79 290 3.7
    1990 Ottis Anderson 16 225 784 3.5
    1990 Rodney Hampton 15 109 455 4.2
    1993 Leonard Russell 16 300 1088 3.6
    1993 Kevin Turner 16 50 231 4.6
    1994 Marion Butts 16 243 703 2.9
    1994 Leroy Thompson 16 102 312 3.1
    1995 Curtis Martin 16 368 1487 4.0
    1995 David Meggett 16 60 250 4.2
    1996 Curtis Martin 16 316 1152 3.6
    1996 David Meggett 16 40 122 3.0
    1997 Adrian Murrell 16 300 1086 3.6
    1997 Leon Johnson 16 48 158 3.3
    1998 Curtis Martin 15 369 1287 3.5
    1998 Leon Johnson 12 41 185 4.5
    1999 Curtis Martin 16 367 1464 4.0
    1999 Bernie Parmalee 16 27 133 4.9
    2003 Troy Hambrick 16 275 972 3.5
    2003 Richie Anderson 15 70 306 4.4
    2004 Julius Jones 8 197 819 4.2
    2004 Eddie George 14 132 432 3.3
    2005 Julius Jones 13 257 993 3.9
    2005 Marion Barber 13 138 538 3.9
    2006 Julius Jones 14 247 1019 4.1
    2006 Marion Barber 14 123 636 5.2
     
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  12. PhinsRock

    PhinsRock Premium Member Luxury Box

    Why on Earth draft a RB? We have Ricky for 1 or 2 years, Cobbs looks great, T-Lex is looking like he could be really good for us. We have too many other areas of need. I say let Ronnie play out this year, see where we stand and how he did, then resign him accordingly.
     
  13. Dolfan984

    Dolfan984 Underrated Free Agent

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    Ronnie's pretty young and runs that wildcat really really well. That makes him more valuable to the DOLPHINS than most runningbacks.
     
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  14. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    This team had no problem overpaying Jake Grove, I dont see why they wouldnt shell out the money for a better and more talented player.
     
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  15. like2god

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    Curtis Martin in '98
     
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  16. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Why can't any other runningback run the Wildcat but Ronnie Brown?
     
  17. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito. Club Member

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    Have you watched other teams run the wildcat?
     
  18. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yes, I have. But I'm positive Ronnie Brown is not the ONLY RB that can run the WC. I think, with good scouting, we can find another RB to run the WildCat IF they want to replace Ronnie Brown.
     
  19. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You Club Member

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    Agreed, we shouldn't let Ronnie go for the sake of letting him go. I prefer giving him his money and making him our franchise back... I would rather go that route and draft BPA instead of saving some cash and feeling we "have" to draft his replacement.
     
  20. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    If I'm not mistaken, that deal was brokered by Pat Kirwan. It was the same year that Pat Kirwan was fired. The deal that sent the Jet's 1st and 3rd draft picks to New England. I do not think Bill Parcells had anything to do with that deal.
     
  21. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    I believe the regime thinks they can draft receivers and RBs. I think they have found it difficult to find suitable Sasquath.
     
  22. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    I think teams are sitting on things while the new CBA is hammered out. No sense in cutting off your nose to spite your face if the rules change dramatically with a new agreement. We have the time to wait on these guys, particularly a guy like Brown, who while a solid back, isn't quite in the elite or even matching his lofty draft position. Not a reflection necessarily on Brown, I mean, it wasn't his fault he was the best option at #2 overall that year, but he certainly would not have gone that high in this years' draft. At any rate, to pay him the acceleration to $5M a year is worthy of his stature here next season and then continue to work on an extension as the CBA develops...Of course, the franchise tag will be available if a last minute CBA is worked out. I'm sure though, that Ireland has a plan not only for Brown, but for all these guys in this situation....
     
  23. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Brown is to old for a new contract... Don't kid yourself. When a RB starts to die it's always unexpected and the talent goes quickly. You never see it coming during the season, always at the start of the next. Use him for what he's worth and then move on. Don't be like Seattle and give money to an aging back only for him (Alexander) never to do anything again.
     
  24. Shamboubou

    Shamboubou Well-Known Member

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    I think that BP and Co. make it priority to sign players on their team that they feel cant be easily replaced. They made sure to get the extensions of Carey and Crowder done last season, they will make sure Ronnie will get resigned.
     
  25. finserg

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    Are you kiddding ? ronnie the only person that can run it :pity:
     
  26. Conuficus

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    Well away from here
    When did Bill Parcells ever pay an offensive tackle the way the team did with Vernon Carey? BP had never drafted a OL that high until Jake Long.

    My basic point is that this isn't solely Parcells making decisions. Ireland and Sparano obviously have a lot of say in what gets done. The fact they paid Jake Grove what they did would also indicate the Sparano and Ireland are doing a great deal of the final approvals.
     
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  27. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito. Club Member

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    I believe this regime loves playmakers. As long as they believe Ronnie is a playmaker they will pay him.
     
  28. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito. Club Member

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    The explosion and strength of Ronnie gives him a certain advantage in the wild cat as a running formation.

    Without the strength to go inside, the wildcat is a formation that is more hit and miss, instead of just a running play with a chance of hit. Miami can run the wildcat with Ronnie on a regular basis because he can get 2 to 6 yards consistantly in the formation.

    There are other runningbacks who probably can like LT or Adrian Peterson. I do not think one like Brandon Jacobs or Matt Forte could as they do not have the quick burst to hit the hole after the handoff.
     
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  29. Zod

    Zod Ruler of the Universe

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    As soon as I saw this the name that came to mind was Jumbo Elliott.

    When talk first circulated about Parcells coming to Miami, I went through the years to find who these "Parcell's guys" were that every announcer from former players to analysts referenced. Everyone had a vague idea of some names but one thing was consistent. They were BIG men.

    Ross Tucker of Sirius NFL radio (and former Cowboy the season Parcells came in) said that the one thing that disappointed him about Parcells was that he felt he didn't even get a chance. He started about seven or more games the previous year and then he summarily shipped off in the offseason to finish his career in Buffalo. I wanted to call in and say "Hey, you just were not big enough."

    Check the clearinghouse of the Parcells record. You will see where he places value. I've never seen his teams value a skill position player. Keyshawn played for less money when he followed Parcells.

    You are correct in that we never know what moves were Parcells. He has always had some meddling owner/management in every place that he went. But the one thing I noticed during his time in Dallas was that the only stupid move Jones made while he was there was T. Owens. They even let a 33 year old Emmit Smith leave the program. Emmit went on to rush for damn near 1000 yards for Arizona the following year. The only comment I could find from Parcells on the topic was that Emmit's "contract is very expensive for the team." Emmit got 3.5 million for the next two years out of Arizona. There was a plethora of stupid moves Jerry Jones made before Parcells got there. They all came to a halt until T.O. Then what happened? Parcells is gone.

    That record that I listed isn't an anamoly. It is very consistent. I do not doubt that Ireland is doing the day to day business of the general manager. I do not doubt that at all. What I do doubt is that he would not defer to the advice of the Vice President of Football Operations before signing Vernon Carey and Jake Grove to their lucrative contracts.

    I simply submitted an opinion. It's an opinion based upon speculation just like every other opinion. My speculation tells me that when and if Ireland approaches Parcells about a Ronnie Brown contract, the response will be negative toward a significant amount of money.
     
  30. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    every opinion is vaid
    most everthing posted on a football forum is speculative in nature
     
  31. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito. Club Member

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    One thing to point out is that this is not a Parcells team. This is an Ireland team.
     
  32. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    the WildCat is the Single Wing Formation which is basically a running formation.
    the WildCat favors any & all RB's. Ronnie has been the principle beneficiary of the system, but that does not mean only he can/will benefit from such a system. any good RB will benefit from running out of the SingleWing. it is built to facilitate the primier running game.
    With inclusion of Pat White to captain the WildCat, you'll see a much changed, diverse & sophisticated offensive system arise from the simple eight plays to a virtual co-system of offense.

    in the past, Ronnie has sometimes had a little problem finding the hole to hit running out of the pro-set, once he hits it, he's fine. Brown is a powerful straight ahead runner, however, he has been none to be slow getting through or even vacillate if the opening was only a crease.
    1) the Orca-5 opened holes you could drive a vehicle through against Carolina, this is a good thing for any RB but an excellent thing for Ronnie.
    2) the Wildcat gives a RB options as to where to run. Brown does well because he reads the defense & picks his opening.
     
  33. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito. Club Member

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    That is actually false. When he gets to the hole he explodes. If there isn't a hole he looks like he is dancing and people yell at him for it. Ronnie has amazing patience and explosion.
     
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  34. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    the WildCat is the Single Wing Formation which is basically a running formation. the WildCat favors any & all RB's. Ronnie has been the principle beneficiary out of the system, but that does not mean only he can benefit from such a system. With inclusion of Pat White to captain the the WildCat, you'll see a much changed, diverse & sophisticated offensive system arise.

    in the past, Ronnie has sometimes had a little problem finding the hole to hit running out of the pro-set. once he hits it, he's fine, Brown is a powerful straight ahead runner.
    however, he has been critisized for being too slow getting through or even vacillate if the opening to his expectation. the solution:
    1) the Orca-5 opened holes you could drive a vehicle through against Carolina, this is a good thing for any RB but an excellent thing for Ronnie.
    2) the Wildcat gives a RB options as to where to run. Brown does well because he has time to read the defense & picks his opening before running.
     
  35. DePhinistr8

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    I don't know how valid that point is. He was shredding the league in 2007 running out of a pro-set offense
     

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