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Rishard Mathews

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Cashvillesent, Jan 22, 2020.

  1. Cashvillesent

    Cashvillesent Well-Known Member

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    How fast us Titans and Dolphins forget him? I remember one time ago he was a pretty good WR2 on our roster.. but than I lost all the respect in the world I had for him when he flat out quit on our team.

    What is he doing nowdays? It seems as if he is enjoying his retirement, sad beacause I think he had alot left when he decided to quit half way through the season. Did he just not love the game anymore, or what? Its pretty strange how weird he actually left the league...not sure if I ever seen an athlete just quit and not show any interest anymore.
     
  2. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    I never understood the Rishard love this fanbase had. He was always just a JAG to me, but people here thought he crapped angel kisses.
     
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  3. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    There was a period of time where at least 1 or sometimes 2 random receivers would be fixated upon by the fanbase as being just on the verge of an All-Pro level breakout. It was weird.
     
  4. hitman8

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    Rishard was a legit #2 reciever. The fact he quit should not take away from the talent he showed on the field.
     
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  5. Pauly

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    He got put in Philbin’s doghouse for reasons unknown. He consistently outplayed people listed above him on the depth chart, but never got a fair opportunity. I think a lot of fans had sympathy for him here because they felt he was being unfairly treated, and his subsequent performance in Tennessee showed he was worth a lot more more than what Philbin thought he was.
    I hadn’t heard in any detail about the how/why of his quitting n Tennessee so I cannot give an informed opinion on it.
     
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  6. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Isaiah Ford is the current one.
     
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  7. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    This isn't against you or anything, but I think that is part and parcel to the whole problem.

    If a guy is in the doghouse but has some talent and not in trouble with the law (and even sometimes then sadly) people always assume the coach is treating them unfairly. Its as if talent is all that matters.

    Why did everyone assume Rishard was treated unfairly? They have no idea what goes on behind the cameras. He may have been treated unfairly he also may have been a problem in the locker room. We don't know. I will say this, he was sent packing and not by Philbin and he also ended up just quitting on the Titans soooooooo, maybe the problem was him.

    I just think we, as a whole, need to stop making "talent" the only thing that matters. I don't just mean as fans, but as a country. Being a good person means much more.
     
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  8. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    Thank you. From the info we got at the time, he was a continuous pain in the rear end with Philbin. Late, defiant, ect, even when he had proven nothing and was a 6th round pick. I had no live for Philbin myself, but the players need to get in line and earn what they get, no matter who the coach is. I was eager to trade him as soon as he showed that he had some value.

    He had two ok seasons in Tennessee, then they cut him, then the Jets cut him, and he was done. Out of football before he turned 30.
     
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  9. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Same goes for the Bess and Brian Hartline love. Theyre all mediocre that had a lot of pass targets on a weak dolphins roster. And Landry is overrated too, he cant separate at all.
     
  10. Bumrush

    Bumrush Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I always liked Rishard and thought he should have been given an extension. When given the chance he did well as the third WR.
     
  11. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    Bess and Hartline were team players who played up to their potential. Totally different story from Matthew's.
     
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  12. AGuyNamedAlex

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    I'm going to defend Bess.

    He was a legitimate slot WR that people wanted too much extra out of. Then when he left I believe some mental circumstances beyond his control made his career spiral down.
     
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  13. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    They both were average.
     
  14. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    I didn't say otherwise. But I'm not talking about physical ability. I'm talking about being willing to do what the team asks you and not being a problem off the field and in the locker room. That was Matthews big issue.
     
  15. Pauly

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    1) It was Philbin, who had a long history of shipping off talented players who disagreed with him. Philbin hD burned any reserve of good will fans may have had.
    2) The coach’s job is, in part, personality management. A failure to manage a player should never be assumed to be the coach’s faukt or the players fault. Good coaches are much more successful at managing personality issues than mediocre coaches.
    3) A player who consistently outplays the players above him on the depth chart over a period of years and is not not promoted is being treated unfairly.

    I don’t know what the true situation was, but I don’t think it unreasonable for a fan to conclude that with Mathews situation that the problem lay more with Philbin than Mathews
     
  16. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    Managing egos sometimes requires coaches to move the player down the depth chart. People act like there's always a magic organization of certain words that if a given person just hears at exactly the right moment, they'll turn everything around and great coaches have those words and their magic order on cards they can play when necessary.

    He also didn't consistently outplay the players above him.
     
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  17. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    And no matter who a player is, even a high draft pick being paid top dollar, if he's insulting the coaches and giving them a hard time, is that what should be rewarded by a starring role and playing time? That's not how a coach builds a team and holds it together very long.
     
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  18. Cashvillesent

    Cashvillesent Well-Known Member

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    Hmmm, Seems like Fin D is onto something here....




    Cant believe I've missed this.

    “Was straight until punk (expletive) LaFleur came through,” Matthews said, via Allan Bell of 247 Sports. “[LaFleur] told me I had to earn my starting spot back and that wasn’t going to happen anytime soon. Then bounced after one year. I probably should have gutted it out but that guy was too disrespectful and not a guy that lets someone (expletive) on your face then spend every day as if it didn’t happen. So you make decisions and you move on.”


    I mean LaFleur sucks as an HC and he obviously sucked as an OC in Tennessee, it is still not an excuse for this kind of behavior
     
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  19. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    You are....being sarcastic with that quote right? I mean, the man just went 13-3 in his first season as a NFL HC and took his team to the NFC title game. A team that had gone 6-9-1 the year prior.
     
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  20. Cashvillesent

    Cashvillesent Well-Known Member

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    Bruh, do you honestly believe its because of LaFraud? Its all Rodgers team. A team that is much better than they were previous years under McCarthy, not because of the coach but because they finally got a better running game and overall defense. They had a pretty good draft.
     
  21. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    It takes a lot more than a HOF QB to go 13-3. Especially in a conference where there are a handful of other dominant teams the same season. The Dolphins won more than ten games in a season only twice in Dan Marino's final fourteen years. Bashing him seems really strange.
     
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  22. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Rodgers didn't have a "Rodgers year" this season.
     
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  23. Vertical Limit

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    He shouldve attempted to have a Rodgers day last Sunday...

    the only other time ive seen a team get more physically dominated is when the Vikings faced the Bears and lost 16-0 or some low score like that. I saw Dalvin Cook tap out after getting steamrolled by some white linebacker
     
  24. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Rogers is still upper echelon but he did not carry the team at all, and regressed noticeably.

    Lafleur did a nice job year one, but like Flores, will need consistency to repeat.
     
  25. Destroyer

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    You guys shut your mouths about Brian Hartline.
     
  26. Fin D

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    He was a terrible #1 WR. Awful. Few players (if any) have been more overrated by the Dolphin fanbase more than him.

    He also stirred trouble.
     
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  27. Unlucky 13

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    I liked, and still like Hartline. He did a lot of the things that I want a #2 outside WR to do. The problem was that the Dolphins didn't have a #1 outside WR while he was there, and they didn't have a true TE either. Had he regularly been the #3 or #4 target, I think that he would be looked at differently.
     
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  28. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    I feel about the same, but he did produce some unlike many of the guys this fanbase sometimes wet its collective pants over lol. Jesus man we are starved for some good WR play. Hopefully Parker and Williams have nice followups, and I also really want at least 1 guy drafted. It's a deep and GOOD class. Getting a dude like Reagor in the second would be nice. Tyler Johnson with our late second or third rounder, yes please. Hell, I wouldn't be mad with a Shennault, Higgins or Jefferson with one of our later firsts.

    Uunlikely but fun what if - Ruggs makes it to 18. Send up the card or no?
     
  29. Fin D

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    He really didn't produce. He got some yards but that's it.
     
  30. Bumrush

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    Sorry but you don't have consecutive 1000 yard seasons by accident. That's production. He also averaged around 3 yards more per catch than Jarvis Landry.

    Not a game changer but his contributions are about on par with Landry.
     
  31. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    He was literally the worst #1 WR in the league. You can carry his torch if you want to, but just know, if you're carrying for on field production then you have the lowest standards possible for a #1 WR. Its why he is a no one now.
     
  32. Cashvillesent

    Cashvillesent Well-Known Member

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    Lol.. did you not see his horrible play calling all season?

    Packers are fd up, this loser coach just won 13 games. Gave mirage that hes a somebody. He sucks. Titans got much better without him. Packers had a cakewalk schedule. First 11+ win team to have more yards against than yards gained in last 20 years. Pussyfooted off a terrible schedule and wound up vastly out coached when it mattered. LaFleur sucks. I fell sorry for Packer fans with first place schedule next year will probably be ugly with training wheels as their coach.
     
  33. Bumrush

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    You can't prove that unless you've gone through every teams history and examined who they had listed as their number 1 WR.

    I never said he was a number 1 WR or the standard bearer of what a number 1 should look like. He far exceeded the initial expectations people had for him and was a great security blanket for Tannehill. It's not his fault that Philbo the Clown or Sparano couldn't develop an offense. Also note that in 2010 and 2011 Brandon Marshall was on the team. In 2013 and 2014 Mike Wallace was the #1 WR.

    I don't get the hate towards an overachieving middle tier WR. It's like blaming Jay Fiedler for Wanny passing on Brees.
     
  34. Fin D

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    I don't see how 1000 yards and literally nothing else impressive (or even mediocre) like, TDs, 1st downs, YAC, etc. means anything. It is empty yardage.
     
  35. Bumrush

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    I don't think it was empty yardage. He was pretty clutch on 3rd down and again, averaged more yards per catch than Landry by 10%!

    If anything, Brian Hartline is how Landry should have been viewed when Miami let him walk. I was opposed to letting Landry go but now that he is gone I'm thrilled Miami didn't sign him to a massive contract. Landry should have been viewed as a tougher version of Hartline.
     
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  36. TheHighExhaulted

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    What
     
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  37. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    2012:
    16th in yards. (That's not great. That's literally average.)
    23rd in 1st downs.
    72nd in YAC
    tied-147th in TDs

    2013:
    24th in yards.
    21st in 1st downs.
    57th in YAC
    57th in TDs

    Those are **** numbers.
    He wasn't really "clutch" on third downs either.
     
  38. Bumrush

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    It's above average for a WR. Average for a #1. Hartline should not have been a #1 WR. He performed like an average one. He was a 3rd WR at best.

    He far exceeded what he should have been and should be praised for it. That's all I'm saying.
     
  39. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    The point being, he got those yards simply because he was the technical #1 WR on the team. The rest of the numbers show he did nothing with those yards, ergo, they were empty. I'm not sure where you getting that he performed like an average #1 WR though....are you only counting yards?
     
  40. Unlucky 13

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    Well like I said, you're complaining that he was used as the #1 WR. That's not his fault, thats on the Fins coaches and front office. He was generally somewhere about the 30th to 50th best WR in the league in his prime. If you look at him through that viewpoint, I don't get the anger.
     
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