Rishard Mathews

I never understood the Rishard love this fanbase had. He was always just a JAG to me, but people here thought he crapped angel kisses.

"Fin D wrote:

I never understood the Rishard love this fanbase had. He was always just a JAG to me, but people here thought he crapped angel kisses.

There was a period of time where at least 1 or sometimes 2 random receivers would be fixated upon by the fanbase as being just on the verge of an All-Pro level breakout. It was weird.

"texanphinatic wrote:

There was a period of time where at least 1 or sometimes 2 random receivers would be fixated upon by the fanbase as being just on the verge of an All-Pro level breakout. It was weird.

Rishard was a legit #2 reciever. The fact he quit should not take away from the talent he showed on the field.

He got put in Philbin’s doghouse for reasons unknown. He consistently outplayed people listed above him on the depth chart, but never got a fair opportunity. I think a lot of fans had sympathy for him here because they felt he was being unfairly treated, and his subsequent performance in Tennessee showed he was worth a lot more more than what Philbin thought he was.
I hadn’t heard in any detail about the how/why of his quitting n Tennessee so I cannot give an informed opinion on it.

"texanphinatic wrote:

There was a period of time where at least 1 or sometimes 2 random receivers would be fixated upon by the fanbase as being just on the verge of an All-Pro level breakout. It was weird.

Isaiah Ford is the current one.

"Pauly wrote:

He got put in Philbin’s doghouse for reasons unknown. He consistently outplayed people listed above him on the depth chart, but never got a fair opportunity. I think a lot of fans had sympathy for him here because they felt he was being unfairly treated, and his subsequent performance in Tennessee showed he was worth a lot more more than what Philbin thought he was.
I hadn’t heard in any detail about the how/why of his quitting n Tennessee so I cannot give an informed opinion on it.

This isn't against you or anything, but I think that is part and parcel to the whole problem.

If a guy is in the doghouse but has some talent and not in trouble with the law (and even sometimes then sadly) people always assume the coach is treating them unfairly. Its as if talent is all that matters.

Why did everyone assume Rishard was treated unfairly? They have no idea what goes on behind the cameras. He may have been treated unfairly he also may have been a problem in the locker room. We don't know. I will say this, he was sent packing and not by Philbin and he also ended up just quitting on the Titans soooooooo, maybe the problem was him.

I just think we, as a whole, need to stop making "talent" the only thing that matters. I don't just mean as fans, but as a country. Being a good person means much more.

"Fin D wrote:

This isn't against you or anything, but I think that is part and parcel to the whole problem.

If a guy is in the doghouse but has some talent and not in trouble with the law (and even sometimes then sadly) people always assume the coach is treating them unfairly. Its as if talent is all that matters.

Why did everyone assume Rishard was treated unfairly? They have no idea what goes on behind the cameras. He may have been treated unfairly he also may have been a problem in the locker room. We don't know. I will say this, he was sent packing and not by Philbin and he also ended up just quitting on the Titans soooooooo, maybe the problem was him.

I just think we, as a whole, need to stop making "talent" the only thing that matters. I don't just mean as fans, but as a country. Being a good person means much more.

Thank you. From the info we got at the time, he was a continuous pain in the rear end with Philbin. Late, defiant, ect, even when he had proven nothing and was a 6th round pick. I had no live for Philbin myself, but the players need to get in line and earn what they get, no matter who the coach is. I was eager to trade him as soon as he showed that he had some value.

He had two ok seasons in Tennessee, then they cut him, then the Jets cut him, and he was done. Out of football before he turned 30.

"Fin D wrote:

I never understood the Rishard love this fanbase had. He was always just a JAG to me, but people here thought he crapped angel kisses.

Same goes for the Bess and Brian Hartline love. Theyre all mediocre that had a lot of pass targets on a weak dolphins roster. And Landry is overrated too, he cant separate at all.

I always liked Rishard and thought he should have been given an extension. When given the chance he did well as the third WR.

"Vertical Limit wrote:

Same goes for the Bess and Brian Hartline love. Theyre all mediocre that had a lot of pass targets on a weak dolphins roster. And Landry is overrated too, he cant separate at all.

Bess and Hartline were team players who played up to their potential. Totally different story from Matthew's.

"Vertical Limit wrote:

Same goes for the Bess and Brian Hartline love. Theyre all mediocre that had a lot of pass targets on a weak dolphins roster. And Landry is overrated too, he cant separate at all.

I'm going to defend Bess.

He was a legitimate slot WR that people wanted too much extra out of. Then when he left I believe some mental circumstances beyond his control made his career spiral down.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

Bess and Hartline were team players who played up to their potential. Totally different story from Matthew's.

They both were average.

"Vertical Limit wrote:

They both were average.

I didn't say otherwise. But I'm not talking about physical ability. I'm talking about being willing to do what the team asks you and not being a problem off the field and in the locker room. That was Matthews big issue.

"Fin D wrote:

This isn't against you or anything, but I think that is part and parcel to the whole problem.

If a guy is in the doghouse but has some talent and not in trouble with the law (and even sometimes then sadly) people always assume the coach is treating them unfairly. Its as if talent is all that matters.

Why did everyone assume Rishard was treated unfairly? They have no idea what goes on behind the cameras. He may have been treated unfairly he also may have been a problem in the locker room. We don't know. I will say this, he was sent packing and not by Philbin and he also ended up just quitting on the Titans soooooooo, maybe the problem was him.

I just think we, as a whole, need to stop making "talent" the only thing that matters. I don't just mean as fans, but as a country. Being a good person means much more.

1) It was Philbin, who had a long history of shipping off talented players who disagreed with him. Philbin hD burned any reserve of good will fans may have had.
2) The coach’s job is, in part, personality management. A failure to manage a player should never be assumed to be the coach’s faukt or the players fault. Good coaches are much more successful at managing personality issues than mediocre coaches.
3) A player who consistently outplays the players above him on the depth chart over a period of years and is not not promoted is being treated unfairly.

I don’t know what the true situation was, but I don’t think it unreasonable for a fan to conclude that with Mathews situation that the problem lay more with Philbin than Mathews

"Pauly wrote:

1) It was Philbin, who had a long history of shipping off talented players who disagreed with him. Philbin hD burned any reserve of good will fans may have had.
2) The coach’s job is, in part, personality management. A failure to manage a player should never be assumed to be the coach’s faukt or the players fault. Good coaches are much more successful at managing personality issues than mediocre coaches.
3) A player who consistently outplays the players above him on the depth chart over a period of years and is not not promoted is being treated unfairly.

I don’t know what the true situation was, but I don’t think it unreasonable for a fan to conclude that with Mathews situation that the problem lay more with Philbin than Mathews

Managing egos sometimes requires coaches to move the player down the depth chart. People act like there's always a magic organization of certain words that if a given person just hears at exactly the right moment, they'll turn everything around and great coaches have those words and their magic order on cards they can play when necessary.

He also didn't consistently outplay the players above him.

And no matter who a player is, even a high draft pick being paid top dollar, if he's insulting the coaches and giving them a hard time, is that what should be rewarded by a starring role and playing time? That's not how a coach builds a team and holds it together very long.

Hmmm, Seems like Fin D is onto something here....

Cant believe I've missed this.

“Was straight until punk (expletive) LaFleur came through,” Matthews said, via Allan Bell of 247 Sports. “ told me I had to earn my starting spot back and that wasn’t going to happen anytime soon. Then bounced after one year. I probably should have gutted it out but that guy was too disrespectful and not a guy that lets someone (expletive) on your face then spend every day as if it didn’t happen. So you make decisions and you move on.”

I mean LaFleur sucks as an HC and he obviously sucked as an OC in Tennessee, it is still not an excuse for this kind of behavior

"Cashvillesent wrote:

I mean LaFleur sucks as an HC and he obviously sucked as an OC in Tennessee, it is still not an excuse for this kind of behavior

You are....being sarcastic with that quote right? I mean, the man just went 13-3 in his first season as a NFL HC and took his team to the NFC title game. A team that had gone 6-9-1 the year prior.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

You are....being sarcastic with that quote right? I mean, the man just went 13-3 in his first season as a NFL HC and took his team to the NFC title game. A team that had gone 6-9-1 the year prior.

Bruh, do you honestly believe its because of LaFraud? Its all Rodgers team. A team that is much better than they were previous years under McCarthy, not because of the coach but because they finally got a better running game and overall defense. They had a pretty good draft.

"Cashvillesent wrote:

Bruh, do you honestly believe its because of LaFraud? Its all Rodgers team. A team that is much better than they were previous years under McCarthy, not because of the coach but because they finally got a better running game and overall defense. They had a pretty good draft.

It takes a lot more than a HOF QB to go 13-3. Especially in a conference where there are a handful of other dominant teams the same season. The Dolphins won more than ten games in a season only twice in Dan Marino's final fourteen years. Bashing him seems really strange.

Rodgers didn't have a "Rodgers year" this season.

He shouldve attempted to have a Rodgers day last Sunday...

the only other time ive seen a team get more physically dominated is when the Vikings faced the Bears and lost 16-0 or some low score like that. I saw Dalvin Cook tap out after getting steamrolled by some white linebacker

Rogers is still upper echelon but he did not carry the team at all, and regressed noticeably.

Lafleur did a nice job year one, but like Flores, will need consistency to repeat.

You guys shut your mouths about Brian Hartline.