Rewatched the buc game.

"rdhstlr23 wrote:

I think you're pretty spot on with this.

I was watching the game and the roll-out kept waiting for him to hit Hartline. He even had his TE early & Wallace early if he made the quick decision. It was a nice play call and had multiple options available if the reads were right.

I'll say this in Tannehill's defense. He is able to get away with throws due to his arm strength (that throw to Sims and even that tipped to Matthews I'm not so sure it wouldn't have been fit in to Sims - would he have caught? would he have been wrecked? was it the best decision?).

But as you said, those are random plays, but are a strong correlation to those games that you leave you asking, "WTF is Tannehill doing?" (i.e. Bills x2, Jets, etc. in 2013)

It's these STRETCHES in particular that have me concerned. It's one thing if he has a brain fart once in a while but he has a tendency to have one and then follow up with more. He had the brain fart with the third down play where he lucked out that Matthews ran the wrong route and ended up catching a deflected ball. That's fine. Sh-t happens. But what disappointed me is he followed that up like two plays later rolling out with Hartline directly in his sight lines for what could have been a TD and he just froze on it. Kept running and eventually forced the pass to Wallace. Then he followed up with a couple more questionable decisions forcing the ball to this guy or that instead of taking what the defense gave him. Then he fumbled the ball away.

That's the thing I don't like about the decision-making, the fact they seem to come in bunches.

Nobody's convicting anyone of a crime or declaring him a bust. But I see some people here can't stand to see anything he does criticized.

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

I remember saying to myself after that roll out incompletion to Wallace: "Hartline was wide open."

It was pretty evident on TV as well.

Yeah you can definitely see it on the broadcast but I think it looked just a little bit more egregious from a bird's eye view in the stands.

Quarterbacks miss open guys. It happens. What I didn't like about it was that it came during a poor stretch for him, and I don't like that because in particular something he's been guilty of since college is having poor stretches rather than the occasional random mistake.

"ckparrothead wrote:

Nobody's convicting anyone of a crime or declaring him a bust. But I see some people here can't stand to see anything he does criticized.

I see your point...but you got to realize you've said stuff in this thread that if anyone else had said......you'd be all over them ;p

You guys (and I'm talking both sides folks!) get way to defensive in these discussions.

Edit: By the way shouldn't we all be a hell of a lot more concerned about the running game right now. Finally get some semblance of a solid passing game.........and we can't freaking run the ball. Can we at least do both at least average?

After reading local media comments this morning, which I take with a grain of salt, can we still say McCain, Tripp, Anthony Johnson, and Fede have made this roster? I don't want to see Freeny on the roster and McCain taken off waivers, or keeping Francis when Johnson has outperformed him, or listening to some dumb a** comment from Hickey about how they believed they could get any one of these guys on the practice squad.

"ckparrothead wrote:

Yes, he got lucky in a lot of ways. He could have walked out of that game with his offense having scored no touchdowns, possibly not even having scored any field goals if the Buccaneers don't completely blow a coverage on Laron Landry. He could have walked out of there with two turnovers in only one quarter. He could have walked out of there with yet another deep miss to Wallace if the DB didn't distract everyone by tugging a bit on the jersey, which was not the reason that play went incomplete but now all the fans and media will pretend it is. Put it all together, he could have walked out of there with a borderline disastrous one quarter performance. Because that was the quality of his decision-making during the game. But he didn't, so he got lucky in a lot of ways.

Wow...not buying it, sorry. And he DID walk out of that game with his offense having scored no touchdowns...did we watch the same game? And a blown coverage? Really dude? Do those not happen all the time? Whole game must be all luck.

Too many "ifs" that are a normal part of the game for me. So he's lucky he had an incompletion to Wallace? The contact slowed him down, it's evident on the film, too bad we'll never know what would've happened if it'd been clean coverage.

He coulda been carted off the field with a tri-injury to his knee...all kindsa lucky.

I guess Im reading alot of these..Tannehill had a lucky night...alot is being un noticed except for a few..

Dont all Qbs have the exact same things happen? Just seems like a concerted effort to be the one who ..can say they have a tempered enthusiasm for Ryan Tannehill.

"Lee2000 wrote:

After reading local media comments this morning, which I take with a grain of salt, can we still say McCain, Tripp, Anthony Johnson, and Fede have made this roster? I don't want to see Freeny on the roster and McCain taken off waivers, or keeping Francis when Johnson has outperformed him, or listening to some dumb a** comment from Hickey about how they believed they could get any one of these guys on the practice squad.

I don't buy the Hickey part either...GM speak maybe? I think those 4 will be on the 53 personally, just going by hearing about them doing good things.

Going back to our scrimmage..Tannehill by alot of accounts seems to really thrive in this offense.

"PhinFan1968 wrote:

I don't buy the Hickey part either...GM speak maybe? I think those 4 will be on the 53 personally, just going by hearing about them doing good things.

What comment from hickey?

Here is one of those questionable decisions I referenced. Squeezed it in to Dion Sims. Could have had the back in the flat.

"ckparrothead wrote:

It's these STRETCHES in particular that have me concerned. It's one thing if he has a brain fart once in a while but he has a tendency to have one and then follow up with more. He had the brain fart with the third down play where he lucked out that Matthews ran the wrong route and ended up catching a deflected ball. That's fine. Sh-t happens. But what disappointed me is he followed that up like two plays later rolling out with Hartline directly in his sight lines for what could have been a TD and he just froze on it. Kept running and eventually forced the pass to Wallace. Then he followed up with a couple more questionable decisions forcing the ball to this guy or that instead of taking what the defense gave him. Then he fumbled the ball away.

That's the thing I don't like about the decision-making, the fact they seem to come in bunches.

Nobody's convicting anyone of a crime or declaring him a bust. But I see some people here can't stand to see anything he does criticized.

I can criticize him, but if I'm going to look at the bad that could have happened I'm certainly going to look at the good that could have happened.

My main issue is that we are projecting a trend based on one game. Even if he left plays on the field...sometimes it happens. I'm going to need to see it become a trend this season before I declare it an issue.

"PhinFan1968 wrote:

I don't buy the Hickey part either...GM speak maybe? I think those 4 will be on the 53 personally, just going by hearing about them doing good things.

Hickey didn't say anything. I just said I didn't want to hear any explanation from him or anyone else about how they thought they could get one of these guys on the practice squad. If I am any scout worth his title I have identified all of these guys as pickups.

"Lee2000 wrote:

Hickey didn't say anything. I just said I didn't want to hear any explanation from him or anyone else about how they thought they could get one of these guys on the practice squad. If I am any scout worth his title I have identified all of these guys as pickups.

Oh my bad...I took it to mean he made that comment.

"vt_dolfan wrote:

Going back to our scrimmage..Tannehill by alot of accounts seems to really thrive in this offense.

There's no question about that, I think the evaluation is just very intense at this point, is about whether he's the guy that can lead a dynasty..it gets more intense than just can we win games or make playoffs, it's all about is he is the man..and I don't see anything wrong with looking into everything.

"ckparrothead wrote:

Here is one of those questionable decisions I referenced. Squeezed it in to Dion Sims. Could have great had the back in the flat.

Well Sherman certainly never utilized the backs out of the backfield. Hopefully lazor shows tannehill this in film. moreno is great in the pass game

"Lee2000 wrote:

After reading local media comments this morning, which I take with a grain of salt, can we still say McCain, Tripp, Anthony Johnson, and Fede have made this roster? I don't want to see Freeny on the roster and McCain taken off waivers, or keeping Francis when Johnson has outperformed him, or listening to some dumb a** comment from Hickey about how they believed they could get any one of these guys on the practice squad.

Pretty sure both McCain and Tripp played before Freeny. There is also no way Fede isn't on the team (barring injury), especially with Dion Jordan not counting against the roster for four weeks.

"Stitches wrote:

Pretty sure both McCain and Tripp played before Freeny. There is also no way Fede isn't on the team (barring injury), especially with Dion Jordan not counting against the roster for four weeks.

But Freeny is a core special teamer. That is what concerns me. I think McCain and Tripp are competent enough to take his role.

"Stitches wrote:

Pretty sure both McCain and Tripp played before Freeny. There is also no way Fede isn't on the team (barring injury), especially with Dion Jordan not counting against the roster for four weeks.

they did, they both played next to Misi on some reps, McCain looked real nice next to Misi to..he has the burst to come across the formation on the back and make the play behind the Los, I watched him do it from def end and at Sam.

I just rewatched the game and here are my thoughts.

The runningback that impressed me the most was Orleans Darkwa. All of the other running backs seemed to leave yards on the field and not squeeze the most out of the plays. Heck on one play that looked like an outside run to the left, Lamar Miller runs it straight towards the three hole into defenders. Plus Orleans did a good job blocking as well.

I don't understand people's obsession with Binns. Another game he looks like he should be cut. I understand that he is 6'3", however he just doesn't look that good at his job.

Brady Quinn looks a lot more comfortable than Seth Laboto.

I think the coaching staff has failed Dion Jordan. He doesn't have the explosion or fluidness anymore. His arms and legs are HUGE! I will never understand why they decided to go this route. Maybe it will pay off in the long run. it is not paying off in the short run.

The Dolphins 1st half tackling problems were Louis Delmas. Yes Wilson had the flashiest missed tackle. Someone should tell Wilson that he isn't Troy Polumalu and wrap up every time. However every other missed tackle was by Louis Delmas.

The pass rush in this game was a lot better than last week. By all players really.

Sam Satale cannot run block.

Daryle College is just a smidge better at run blocking than Sam Satale. College is lucky that Thomas looked so bad so people forget about what a poor job at run blocking he did.

McCain looks so athletic. I look forward to the Dolphins bulking him up and slowing him down.

FEDE! Nuff said. Just kidding. When he learns how to play his position well, watch out.

Miami has six wide receivers worthy of a roster spot. When was the last time I could write that without laughing?

Matt Moore looks to be worth a $4 million back up.

"Lee2000 wrote:

But Freeny is a core special teamer. That is what concerns me. I think McCain and Tripp are competent enough to take his role.

Have you seen McCain play special teams? He has looked really good in both games.

"Dol-Fan Dupree wrote:

I just rewatched the game and here are my thoughts.

The runningback that impressed me the most was Orleans Darkwa. All of the other running backs seemed to leave yards on the field and not squeeze the most out of the plays. Heck on one play that looked like an outside run to the left, Lamar Miller runs it straight towards the three hole into defenders. Plus Orleans did a good job blocking as well.

I don't understand people's obsession with Binns. Another game he looks like he should be cut. I understand that he is 6'3", however he just doesn't look that good at his job.

Brady Quinn looks a lot more comfortable than Seth Laboto.

I think the coaching staff has failed Dion Jordan. He doesn't have the explosion or fluidness anymore. His arms and legs are HUGE! I will never understand why they decided to go this route. Maybe it will pay off in the long run. it is not paying off in the short run.

The Dolphins 1st half tackling problems were Louis Delmas. Yes Wilson had the flashiest missed tackle. Someone should tell Wilson that he isn't Troy Polumalu and wrap up every time. However every other missed tackle was by Louis Delmas.

The pass rush in this game was a lot better than last week. By all players really.

Sam Satale cannot run block.

Daryle College is just a smidge better at run blocking than Sam Satale. College is lucky that Thomas looked so bad so people forget about what a poor job at run blocking he did.

McCain looks so athletic. I look forward to the Dolphins bulking him up and slowing him down.

FEDE! Nuff said. Just kidding. When he learns how to play his position well, watch out.

Miami has six wide receivers worthy of a roster spot. When was the last time I could write that without laughing?

Matt Moore looks to be worth a $4 million back up.

I have to admit to missing on the evaluation of Dallas Thomas, I thought he could play at this level, however I did have a better grade on turner than I did Thomas coming out so I'm hopin I got one right.

I can't stand what both staffs did to Dion..I would advise him to drop the extra weight whiles he on vacation, take that 5 weeks and slim it down....please.

From some inside club info, it would behoove him to take the weight off..

I was totally against this staffs direction of the player and nothing I've seen makes me think they were right.,

How about Dion Jordan continuing to say, " I guess they brought me here to rush the passer, so that's what I'll do".... Not what I wanted to hear post draft and still don't..

Let this kid go back to his natural weight..if he put on 3 to 5 lbs of muscle I would be stoked on that frame, I'm positive that 2olbs is mostly fat that just looks good on his perfect frame.

"Lee2000 wrote:

But Freeny is a core special teamer. That is what concerns me. I think McCain and Tripp are competent enough to take his role.

Both Tripp and McCain have been playing STs.

"Lee2000 wrote:

After reading local media comments this morning, which I take with a grain of salt, can we still say McCain, Tripp, Anthony Johnson, and Fede have made this roster? I don't want to see Freeny on the roster and McCain taken off waivers, or keeping Francis when Johnson has outperformed him, or listening to some dumb a** comment from Hickey about how they believed they could get any one of these guys on the practice squad.

IMO, Fede and Tripp have definitely made the roster. 100% sure. The chances for the other two look pretty good, but I wouldn't say 100% yet.

"ckparrothead wrote:

Here is one of those questionable decisions I referenced. Squeezed it in to Dion Sims. Could have had the back in the flat.

What was the result of the play?

"djphinfan wrote:

There's no question about that, I think the evaluation is just very intense at this point, is about whether he's the guy that can lead a dynasty..it gets more intense than just can we win games or make playoffs, it's all about is he is the man..and I don't see anything wrong with looking into everything.

I agree...I also believe very few are objective when it comes to looking at his play. Ill admit I see alot more good then bad...which isnt objective.