Report: Flores Suing The NFL, Dolphins & Giants
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jdallen1222forum_veteranWhat a clown show, Ross has done nothing but embarrass this team since he got here. Stadium looks great and oh cool it’s a racetrack now, but what about the football team?
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"brandon27 wrote:
his job is to lead those players into battle every week to win. The spirit of competition. Winning versus losing. Winners win. Losers lose. You can’t be a coach in the nfl and willingly lose. It’s not on your nature as a player or coach.
Get a ****ing grip. If the takeaway here is him “going rogue” then you’re missing the entire point and sadly I’m not surprised by that.
They got rid of all those players to get the number 1 pick and you know he was told in the interview that was the plan.I would have fired his ass also especially watching the Bengals already in Superbowl!
He cost us a star QB so fuck that winning culture bullshit when most of those players aren't even on the team anymore
"Rouk wrote:
I'm always against Ross but I'm siding with Ross this time. The man was finally doing shady billionaire stuff to fix the dolphins
And still failed at even that
JIGGAJOEforum_veteran"brandon27 wrote:
And rightfully so! The system is flawed.
You don’t take a job as an nfl coach to lead 53 men into the most physical professional sport with the intent on losing. Nobody does that. It’s his responsibility to the men playing for him to win. Not sabotage them and lose because of the loser mentality of our owner and gm. That’s exactly what’s wrong with this franchise and the fact everyone is overlooking what Flores is really aiming to accomplish here is pretty damn sad. This is beyond football
I understand your position, but this isn't war... It's football, it's a game. You have to play with the endgame in mind. Especially since we started that year so poorly. Made no sense to win those games. You can compete and evaluate even if you are losing the game. It's just short-sighted from my point of view. Based on what I've seen in the filed complaint he will win nothing, and has crucified himself for nothing. Shame, because I think he's a good coach.
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DIAL IT BACK RIGHT NOW.
Or I start banning people from this thread. It's a serious thread and an important issue.
Be respectful. Agree to disagree. DO NOT INSULT other members or call names etc.
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JIGGAJOEforum_veteran"Silverphin wrote:
Because coaches and players don't like losing.
So we should win meaningless games to stay mediocre and continue to lose in the future.
"Vinny Fins wrote:
Honestly if you are taking ross side over flores, you ain’t a good person
Based on the reports so far I'm siding with Ross. I want some SB wins, Ross apparently does too, and based on reports he was willing to do what is necessary to get a franchise QB, either through FA or through the draft by tanking. It's a smart strategy. And if Flores was smart enough he'd realize there's long-term benefit to finding that franchise QB too. No I think Ross had the better strategy here.
Anyway, we'll see what else comes out, but right now that's what I think.
jdallen1222forum_veteran"pumpdogs wrote:
They got rid of all those players to get the number 1 pick and you know he was told in the interview that was the plan.I would have fired his *** also especially watching the Bengals already in Superbowl!
He cost us a star QB so **** that winning culture bull**** when most of those players aren't even on the team anymore
Ross still got the qb he wanted, hindsight is 2020.
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"jdallen1222 wrote:
Ross still got the qb he wanted, hindsight is 2020.
We would've taken Burrow if we had the #1 pick. Tua is the guy they wanted otherwise, but even this FO wouldn't have messed Burrow up.
"jdallen1222 wrote:
Ross still got the qb he wanted, hindsight is 2020.
Not true.He tried to trade up for Burrow.
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"Although we are capable of great acts of kindness, history teaches us that we sometimes need saving from ourselves – from our recklessness or our greed. God sent into the world a unique person – neither a philosopher nor a general, important though they are, but a Saviour, with the power to forgive... It is my prayer that on this Christmas day we might all find room in our lives for the message of the angels and for the love of God through Christ our Lord." (Christmas message, 2011)
Silverphinforum_veteran"JIGGAJOE wrote:
So we should win meaningless games to stay mediocre and continue to lose in the future.
It's easy for us fans to say this. But you're talking about people who have had the mindset of "give it your all to win" drilled into since they were teenagers, if not earlier. Plus, I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to take if that increased the possibility of my replacement being drafted.
TheHighExhaultedforum_veteran"Without merit" is a pretty strong rebuke.
Roukforum_veteranRoss mixed up herm edwards quote and said you play to lose the game
Galantforum_veteran
"Although we are capable of great acts of kindness, history teaches us that we sometimes need saving from ourselves – from our recklessness or our greed. God sent into the world a unique person – neither a philosopher nor a general, important though they are, but a Saviour, with the power to forgive... It is my prayer that on this Christmas day we might all find room in our lives for the message of the angels and for the love of God through Christ our Lord." (Christmas message, 2011)
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"Although we are capable of great acts of kindness, history teaches us that we sometimes need saving from ourselves – from our recklessness or our greed. God sent into the world a unique person – neither a philosopher nor a general, important though they are, but a Saviour, with the power to forgive... It is my prayer that on this Christmas day we might all find room in our lives for the message of the angels and for the love of God through Christ our Lord." (Christmas message, 2011)
FinatikmoderatorWhat did the Dolphins do that was racist? Just because you fire a black coach because he won't do what you want him to do isn't racism. I've fired many people of all colors for not following directions. It's called insubordination. Now there are some iffy things about the "tank or not to tank" and tampering but what does that an $5 have to do with anyone's race? Didn't the Dolphins hire a black coach? Someone connect the dots with the Dolphins and racism. Kinda ironic that Flores ran that WR out to Houston based on their stance about racial injustice and the distraction it caused? I guess it's just racist when it fits your narrative. He must be getting advice from Jesse Smollett. LoL.
Lots of people will tell you what they think about you and what you shouldn't and should do. Not everyone's thoughts are worth consideration. Don't take criticism from anyone who you wouldn't also go to for advice.
"Finatik wrote:
What did the Dolphins do that was racist? Just because you fire a black coach because he won't do what you want him to do isn't racism. I've fired many people of all colors for not following directions. It's called insubordination. Now there are some iffy things about the "tank or not to tank" and tampering but what does that an $5 have to do with anyone's race? Someone connect the dots with the Dolphins and racism. And didn't Flores run that WR out to Houston based on their stance about racial injustice and the distraction it caused? I guess it's just racist when it fits your narrative. He must be getting advice from Jesse Smollett. LoL.
The dolphins did nothing racist but the Giants on the other hand is a different story.
Galantforum_veteran"Finatik wrote:
What did the Dolphins do that was racist? Just because you fire a black coach because he won't do what you want him to do isn't racism. I've fired many people of all colors for not following directions. It's called insubordination. Now there are some iffy things about the "tank or not to tank" and tampering but what does that an $5 have to do with anyone's race? Someone connect the dots with the Dolphins and racism. And didn't Flores run that WR out to Houston based on their stance about racial injustice and the distraction it caused? I guess it's just racist when it fits your narrative. He must be getting advice from Jesse Smollett. LoL.
I don't know that everything in the lawsuit is connected to race. The Dolphins firing doesn't seem like it would be. There's multiple angles to this that aren't all race related, I don't think. His name was smeared by Ross, allegedly, and then when fired, found out he wasn't being given a fair shake in interviews. So I think the latter is the race-related allegation.
"Although we are capable of great acts of kindness, history teaches us that we sometimes need saving from ourselves – from our recklessness or our greed. God sent into the world a unique person – neither a philosopher nor a general, important though they are, but a Saviour, with the power to forgive... It is my prayer that on this Christmas day we might all find room in our lives for the message of the angels and for the love of God through Christ our Lord." (Christmas message, 2011)
JIGGAJOEforum_veteran"Silverphin wrote:
It's easy for us fans to say this. But you're talking about people who have had the mindset of "give it your all to win" drilled into since they were teenagers, if not earlier. Plus, I don't know about you, but I wouldn't want to take if that increased the possibility of my replacement being drafted.
We were tanking for a QB. Nobody had to worry about being replaced other than Fitzpatrick or Rosen.
Finatikmoderator"Galant wrote:
Let's also remember the context here - Flores just got fired and almost all the media content swung around to making him sound like a tyrant. Ross himself said it was about relationship break downs, and didn't come to his defense to say that Flores was a decent man and it was just 'creative differences'.
Why does it have to be anything else then a relationship breakdown. That is pretty soft and not character assassination. Why does he have to come to his defense and say "I fired the guy but he's a decent man". No one does that. Just sayin.
Lots of people will tell you what they think about you and what you shouldn't and should do. Not everyone's thoughts are worth consideration. Don't take criticism from anyone who you wouldn't also go to for advice.
KeyFinforum_veteran"Finatik wrote:
Kinda ironic that Flores ran that WR out to Houston based on their stance about racial injustice and the distraction it caused?
Looking back, it's tough to believe that any of that is true.
Winning football games at any level comes down to winning in the trenches.
KeyFinforum_veteran"Finatik wrote:
Why does it have to be anything else then a relationship breakdown. That is pretty soft and not character assassination. Why does he have to come to his defense and say "I fired the guy but he's a decent man". No one does that. Just sayin.
It was the press afterwards, leaked by the Dolphins, that made him out to be a toxic employee.
Winning football games at any level comes down to winning in the trenches.
Finatikmoderator"KeyFin wrote:
Looking back, it's tough to believe that any of that is true.
What the part about how he played the music all practice to make his point? That happened. I guess when it's "racial"....cue the revisionist history.
Lots of people will tell you what they think about you and what you shouldn't and should do. Not everyone's thoughts are worth consideration. Don't take criticism from anyone who you wouldn't also go to for advice.
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