1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Report: Flores Suing The NFL, Dolphins & Giants

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Feb 1, 2022.

  1. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

    15,294
    9,118
    113
    Nov 25, 2007
    New Hampshire
    NOW the firing makes sense.

    **** Flores, though. He took the job KNOWING they were not looking to win. Then he did the opposite of what he was hired to do. That's pretty much bull****.
     
  2. KeyFin

    KeyFin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    9,891
    12,150
    113
    Nov 1, 2009
    An owner is free to hire whoever he wants- after he interviews a minority candidate and gives them a fair shot. It looks like the Giants chose the white guy 3 days before Flores (or any minority) was interviewed...that's a no-no.
     
  3. KeyFin

    KeyFin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    9,891
    12,150
    113
    Nov 1, 2009
    I disagree. Knowing you're going into the season with the worst team in the league BY FAR is one thing; but to have any credibility, you still have to coach them to the best of your ability. You can't blame a guy for doing his job....he was looking those players in the eyes for five months and they proceeded through that ridiculous season.
     
    M1NDCRlME likes this.
  4. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

    19,127
    11,058
    113
    Apr 22, 2014
     
  5. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

    4,585
    3,553
    113
    Jan 15, 2008
    New York
    Taking the Kaepernick route. Can't play, quit and cry racism.

    Can't coach, quit and cry racism.
     
    xphinfanx, Daytona Fin and Rick 1966 like this.
  6. JJ_79

    JJ_79 Well-Known Member

    3,681
    1,041
    113
    Nov 25, 2012
    Germany
    Another highlight from Ross he is a real curse, don’t know how much more I can take. Only one thing, could somebody explain to me where the racism is in all of this?
     
    Daytona Fin likes this.
  7. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

    40,219
    32,713
    113
    Dec 11, 2007
    After the Gruden e-mails, just another scandal for the NFL.
     
    dolphin25 likes this.
  8. Pennington's Limp Arm

    Pennington's Limp Arm Well-Known Member

    1,387
    1,003
    113
    Mar 7, 2014
    Ontario, Canada
    Technically he is correct.
    What the Giants did is racist.

    The only reason NYG interviewed him is because of the colour of his skin… the NFL forces teams to check ‘the minority candidate’ box.
    Therefore it is systemic because of the NFL rules/ system.

    They already hired their next coach before they even interviewed Flores. They wasted the mans time. He may have spent days preparing for the interview etc. Literally only went through with the sham interview bc he was black.

    Don’t get me wrong. I agree a team is and should be free to hire whoever they want. But they USED Flores to meet a quota. That seems pretty clear if this report is accurate.
     
  9. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

    3,661
    2,662
    113
    Oct 26, 2009
    Bklyn
    Alotta white people dismissing racism as athing in This thread
     
  10. KeyFin

    KeyFin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    9,891
    12,150
    113
    Nov 1, 2009
    Oh wow, that's a freaking bombshell!
     
  11. Pennington's Limp Arm

    Pennington's Limp Arm Well-Known Member

    1,387
    1,003
    113
    Mar 7, 2014
    Ontario, Canada
    He WON the games the fans and owner wanted him to LOSE!!

    He LOST the big games that the owner and Fans wanted him to WIN!!
     
    Chupacabra, dolphin25 and Rick 1966 like this.
  12. canesz06

    canesz06 Well-Known Member

    1,648
    754
    113
    Mar 13, 2012
    The only reason the Giants interviewed him is because the NFL made them. If they knew they wanted Daboll all along, why bother interviewing Flores. It's ridiculous. It's not racism, it's the Giants thinking Daboll was the better man for the job
     
  13. KeyFin

    KeyFin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    9,891
    12,150
    113
    Nov 1, 2009
    I would think it's Watson.
     
  14. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

    40,219
    32,713
    113
    Dec 11, 2007
    That is too early to be Watson
     
  15. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

    40,219
    32,713
    113
    Dec 11, 2007
    Just used to it by now.
     
  16. canesz06

    canesz06 Well-Known Member

    1,648
    754
    113
    Mar 13, 2012
    But if they knew the white guy was their guy all along, why should they be forced to interview someone they have no interest in hiring? I know it's a rule but it's stupid. If I'm a black coach, I want to be interviewed because the team is legitimately interested, not because they are being forced to.
     
  17. KeyFin

    KeyFin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    9,891
    12,150
    113
    Nov 1, 2009
    But is it? It's earlier than we knew Watson wanted out...but it could have been him.
     
  18. KeyFin

    KeyFin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    9,891
    12,150
    113
    Nov 1, 2009
    Exactly. It feels like Flores is saying it's a racist rule.
     
  19. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

    5,769
    3,019
    113
    Nov 24, 2007
    NY
    Doesn't fit Flores racism narrative.
     
    KeyFin likes this.
  20. JJ_79

    JJ_79 Well-Known Member

    3,681
    1,041
    113
    Nov 25, 2012
    Germany
    But he’s technically correct because of the rules but I don‘t think racism is the reason he got fired or doesn’t have a new job as a HC…
     
  21. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

    40,219
    32,713
    113
    Dec 11, 2007
    Signing a HUGE extension is a weird way of showing you want out.
     
    dolphin25 and texanphinatic like this.
  22. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

    11,681
    4,594
    113
    Nov 26, 2007
    Detroit Metro Area MI
    The Giants also interviewed Patrick Graham, their DC, who is black. They did not need to interview Flores for Rooney Rule requirements. That said, essentially hiring the white dude before interviewing the black dude's is probably going to get a slap from the league, but it's not like other teams haven't just paid the fine and moved on (like the Raiders did when they hired Gruden iirc).

    Also worth pointing out that paying for a loss isn't strictly speaking about throwing a game. It could have been a matter like starting Rosen instead of Fitz, but Flores refused. There is a difference between intentionally losing vs. minimizing the chance of a win.

    People are immediately jumping to a "throwing" mentality here when that may not actually be the case. I also agree with Dupree that it sounds more like a bonus to placate the coach for losing rather than demanding he throw away games intentionally by making bad calls or something. There is no way that the players themselves would have thrown plays in order to intentionally lose. The coach controls who is on the field, and the play those players run, but not how the players execute.
     
  23. KeyFin

    KeyFin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    9,891
    12,150
    113
    Nov 1, 2009
    Yeah, you're right- Watson stuff started in 2021. Late 2019 was too early.
     
    Dol-Fan Dupree likes this.
  24. plc001

    plc001 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    916
    1,401
    93
    Jun 22, 2008
    I only wanted wins.
     
  25. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

    938
    746
    93
    Dec 29, 2013
    Offering him a bounty on losses is paying him to lose and at least suggesting the possibly to him that he should try to lose or throw.

    If they wanted to placate him for losing they would have just given him money regardless. Come on we know what is being suggested here.
     
    plc001 and KeyFin like this.
  26. Pennington's Limp Arm

    Pennington's Limp Arm Well-Known Member

    1,387
    1,003
    113
    Mar 7, 2014
    Ontario, Canada


    Bellicheat in peak grandpa texting form.
    I cant stop laughing at this convo.
     
    Ronnie Bass likes this.
  27. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

    11,681
    4,594
    113
    Nov 26, 2007
    Detroit Metro Area MI
    What is being suggested is what happens in pretty much every league every year. This just has a potential dollar figure attached.
     
    dolphin25 and Rick 1966 like this.
  28. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

    938
    746
    93
    Dec 29, 2013
    I don't disagree but paying your coach a bonus to lose is going to look a little different
     
    dolphin25, mlb1399 and M1NDCRlME like this.
  29. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

    19,127
    11,058
    113
    Apr 22, 2014
    Flores says that he was offered money but also that Grier said Ross was angry when Flores was winning. If true then Ross wasn't just trying to keep Flores happy, he wanted Flores to lose.

    Try telling the players they have an owner that is angry they played their hearts out and won, that he wants them to play worse and lose.
     
    Piston Honda, KeyFin and mlb1399 like this.
  30. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

    3,733
    2,063
    113
    Dec 9, 2007
    This is so………..

    Dolphins I believe it. If Ross wanted us to fail and tried to bribe his head coach into losing games I want the NFL to step in and force Ross to sell the team.

    He would essentially be fixing the game.
     
  31. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

    19,127
    11,058
    113
    Apr 22, 2014
     
  32. Ronnie Bass

    Ronnie Bass Luxury Box Luxury Box

    16,213
    10,463
    113
    Dec 19, 2007
    If they never forced Snyder to sell his team, slim chance they will force Ross.
     
  33. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

    19,127
    11,058
    113
    Apr 22, 2014
     
  34. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

    19,127
    11,058
    113
    Apr 22, 2014
     
  35. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

    19,127
    11,058
    113
    Apr 22, 2014
     
  36. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    44,446
    17,745
    113
    Dec 3, 2007
    Windsor, ON. CANADA
    Flores is a man amongst boys here. the old white boys club that is the nfl.

    $100k for each loss? Wow.

    I hope the nfl forces Ross to sell the team in all of this mess.

    More importantly though I hope Flores accomplishes what he’s really after here. And it’s not money.
     
  37. Vinny Fins

    Vinny Fins Feisty Brooklyn dolfan ️‍

    3,661
    2,662
    113
    Oct 26, 2009
    Bklyn
    Honestly if you are taking ross side over flores, you ain’t a good person
     
  38. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    44,446
    17,745
    113
    Dec 3, 2007
    Windsor, ON. CANADA
    Are you kidding me?!? Wow. Unreal that’s your take from this
     
    hitman8 likes this.
  39. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

    19,127
    11,058
    113
    Apr 22, 2014
    Let's be careful here. Nothing here is proven and have a right to think and discuss on these forums without being accused of being bad people. Focus on the topic not the posters here please. Let's not drag this down.
     
  40. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

    19,127
    11,058
    113
    Apr 22, 2014
     

Share This Page