Re-Poll After Carolina: Should Ryan Tannehill Start the Regular Season?

Easy enough BPK, you'd just have to use Football Reference and look at the successful guys rookie yrs

Rook or 2nd yr Qb's who had winning or good yrs recently would be:

-Sanchez
-Ryan
-Freeman
-Newton
-Flacco
-Dalton

Guys who had poor yrs:

-Gabbert
-McCoy
-Kolb (arguably)
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IDK, hopefully we're not as bad as Bradford last year where he was sacked 36 times in 10 games (1 every 10 passes).

Looking at past rookie starting QBs who busted, IIRC, a lot of them were knocked around big time their rookie year.

 

My thought is this should be a thread in Club..

 

Question:

I have not had the luxary of seeing RT play yet but I am getting excited to see him based on all the chatter around here. My question is about his release speed and if he makes his reads fast and accurate. IMO if has a quick release that can go a long way in assisting a struggling OLine.

 

Yeah I was in no way trying to compare him to Dan. While I have not heard anyone specificly adress it by all accounts it sounds like he is adjusting to the speed of the game pretty quickly which is a very positive thing IMO. Considering he has limited experience at the QB postion I think its very promising that he seems to be acceling and not regressing when faced with the challenges he is given. Not that I put a lot of stock into Hard Knocks I do like his confidence and poise that he just seems to carry with him naturally. I dont watch college ball so I know nothing about this guy but to be honest Im really getting excited that just maybe Miami has found a franchise QB that we can depend on to win some games. The kid strikes me as competitor and listening to everyone talk about him it sounds like he has the physical gifts to force his will onto the team and create wins out of losses. That IMO has been what this team has sorely missed since the departure of Marino and Shula for that matter.

 

this must be the nicest thing you ever said about this team

 

I would like to think he would take less sacks for two reasons.

1. He know's the offense better than anyone besides Sherm.

2. I think we have a much better offensive staff than last year that will make adjustments to help, unlike the past few years.

I think if Garrard didn't get hurt, he would have started and I would have been OK with Tanne watching him, and I think Garrard was the having the best camp, but he is not going to be ready, and Tanne is having a better camp than Moore right now, and if he keeps it up for the next week, he is the starter

 

Keep in mind, the 3 sacks v carolina who really were playing "vanilla" defense..in one half.

This is one of the reasons why I'm not in favor of THill starting at first, the OL is clearly struggling with the new scheme.

Problem with that is if you put MMoore out there we have to expect fumbles, he did alright with the turnstill known as Colombo but still, I hope Garrard can pull it together and start vs the Texans.

 

It's not so much the sacks that concern me. It's when guys start throwing picks due to the pressure. So far in just the limited preseason games we have seen Tannehill play he has not thrown picks. The interceptions are what smashes a QB's confidence into fragments in my opinion. I personally think he's going to be just fine starting the season and playing right away if thats what we do with him. We aren't going to win many games this year so I think we might as well roll with Tanny right away and let the era begin...Find out if he has that "it" factor that Cam Newton showed last season and go from there. I just don't see us winning anything with Julius Pruitt as our top wideout...
I think this situation is perfect for Tannehill. He's against all odds in a sense that he has no great WR to throw to, and no great offensive line to play behind. So if he's still able to make plays without those two ingredients I think it will bode well for him moving forward. A great QB can take an average wideout and make them look great (Marino did it all the time).

 

Considering a struggling O-Line and the physical health of Garad putting him in as our starter does not exactly fill me with confidence either. Depending on how well Ryan continues to progress in camp I think I would perfer to start him and keep a veteran like Garad around as back/up to step in if the game starts getting out of hand and RT is melting down out there.

I say if he looks ready give him a shot and see if he can adjuct his game to compensate for the defiencies he is surrounded by. I think the more playing he gets gives him the best chance to build good chemistry with his offense. Let the O-Line learn what he needs from them by playing with him. Let the recievers learn where to be for him and let his running backs learn how to help him. As rookies come in to replace the weak spots RT will be better prepared to show them what he needs from them too. I think if he is ready they should start him. I dont see him as a primadonna player who needs to be coddled. JMO

 

Thing is, I don't see Garrard's health as an issue, with him it comes down is he worth a 4 gm audtion that will cost us 3.5 millie?

 

^^ I agree with that as well. The more he plays the more familiar he's going to get with his cast of teamates out there. The last thing we need is a revolving door at QB this year when he have a young prospect already in place with Tannehill. Let him play, and let him take his lumps as they come. If he survives and is able to still stand tall on his feet we just may have a franchise player moving forward. Keep in mind that both Sam Bradford and Cam Newton had HORRIBLE offensive lines their rookie years and yet they were still able to put up some impressive numbers. I think T-Hill will do the same. Thats just my feeling in all of this. He doesn't seem to get rattled mentally and that in my opinion is half the friggin game.

 

Well that and who knows?

Maybe we get off to a fast start with him or MMoore?

I'm SO tired of being 1-4 or some crap with the season basically over by November, or with only the slimmest of chances at a wildcard birth, I feel we have the talent to do much better.

 

Well I dont have a crystal ball but how easily Garad hurt his knee and nobody really knows if his back is going to hold up does concern me especially if he is taking sacks and hits as well as being forced to scramble and use atheletism to keep plays alive.

Money sure is something to consider but if he gets hurt your still paying him that money and he is no good to anyone sitting on IR. No matter how you slice it you have the same amount of money invested in your QB postion unless you cut one of them which isnt happening. I think it then becomes a question of maxium value and keeping Garad around as a b/u might be a great value move. It increases the odds of keeping him healthy and it gives RT a veteran QB's ear on the sideline and it offers the team a reliable 2nd option to turn to if RT struggles to the point where it effects his ability to be our starter in the future. Garad could serve as an extremely effective safety net.

 

I'm curious if you can find more than 3 guys in the past 5 years who (played in at least 8 games) even meet this criteria. Even Gabbert got sacked less than 3 times a game, and he folded like a lawn chair in the face of pressure (something Tannehill hasn't seemed to do).

 

Without looking up stats the only QB that I can think of off the top of my head would be maybe Archie Manning LOL

 

This is my position as well, THill behind this OL will get killed at first.

But on the upside:

JMart: "I've got to play better"
Philbin: "He wasn't god awful"

Uhm, of course our crack Miami media did not bother to ask him what would be "god awful" in his view?

 

So you couldn't find any instances of young QBs being sacked 3+ times a game over a whole season, yet you think Tannehill will get sacked that often?

 

Steve Young was literally running for his life as a Buc, as did Vinny T, both were seen as disappointments in TB who obviously had great careers elsewhere.

This is one of the things I'm not feeling about our approach this yr, running back is our strength, yet we will pass a lot..that incongruence is what will lead to problems if it is not dealt with effectively.

 

Awesome. Once in 10 years.

Boy, that settles that. Tannehill is definitely going to turn out like David Carr then if he plays as a rookie, despite no proof that he'll actually wind up being sacked 3+ times per game if he plays.

 

Rather then looking as 'sacks' as the sum total of pass protection why not look at advanced metrics from Football Outsiders or Pro Football Focus that measure the quality of an OL/pass protection.

Otherwise your point, BPK, seems nothing more then an execise is anecdotal relationships.
Kinda like saying how many red heads have ever won a SB? Then concluding something based on this anecdote.

 

Whats the correlation between sacks through 2 preseason games and regular season sacks?