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Ravens Insider: Cameron deserved more time in Miami

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Loyal Fin, Oct 17, 2008.

  1. Loyal Fin

    Loyal Fin Business as usual

    Mar 22, 2008
    South Florida
    Forgive me if this has been posted already... or if it belongs in another forum...
    Ravens Insider: Cameron deserved more time in Miami - The inside scoop and analysis on the team from The Baltimore Sun's Ravens columnist and Ravens beat writer. - baltimoresun.com

    I've heard this argument before on these message boards.. I think it's a valid one.. but I still think Cam Cameron could NOT lead a team to much victory in this leauge. He doesn't have that "trait" that allows 53 MEN to buy into him and do everything that is asked of them. I can imagine people in the "video room" staring blankly at him while he does one of his wordy speeches. I might be in the minority but I think Cams firing was best for us.
  2. Regan21286

    Regan21286 MCAT's, EMT's, AMCAS, ugh

    Dec 3, 2007
    UCLA, CA
    He lost the team's confidence and that's enough to show that he should be fired.
  3. fins4o8

    fins4o8 Mac FTW! Club Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    i doubt you are in the minority about Cam's firing being the best thing for us.
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  4. Bumrush

    Bumrush Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    You know what I think about that "insider"????

    :sidelol::sidelol::sidelol::sidelol: wait... wait :sidelol::sidelol::sidelol::sidelol: hold on i'm about to pee :sidelol::sidelol:
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  5. xer0

    xer0 xD

    May 24, 2008
    Cam made too many mistakes on and off the field to say he deserved another shot IMO.
  6. Brown42000

    Brown42000 Chillin

    Nov 24, 2007
    He deserved to be fired he was a pathetic head coach.
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  7. dolpns13

    dolpns13 Chest Rockwell is my hero

    Dec 3, 2007
    North Jersey
    Sounds like the city of Baltimore is aalready sick of him and are mad they signed him by sending the message that we should not have let him go after one year thus opening the door for him to sign with Baltimore...
  8. dolpns13

    dolpns13 Chest Rockwell is my hero

    Dec 3, 2007
    North Jersey
    How come they didnt write the same about Art Shell?
  9. jupiterfin

    jupiterfin Mild Irritant

    Nov 29, 2007
    Jupiter Florida
    Some would say he was here 1 year too long.
  10. CrunchTime

    CrunchTime Administrator Retired Administrator

    Nov 23, 2007
    The only fear I had when Parcells took over was that Cam would not be fired .He deserved to be fired IMO.

    He was not ready to be a NFL HC and I am glad we did the inevitable which is to fire him.

    Nice person and I wish him the best.......on another team.
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  11. Bumrush

    Bumrush Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Yeah.. On another team.. Like the Jets or Patriots :D
  12. keypusher

    keypusher Well-Known Member

    Nov 29, 2007
    He was a good guy in a bad situation. Whether he is capable of being a head coach in a different situation I wouldn't presume to say. I hope he gets another shot somewhere. But I think it's best for the Fins, and even for Cam, that he's gone.
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  13. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Dec 3, 2007
    Windsor, ON. CANADA
    deserved more time?!?! are you kidding me!!! While i agree that it usually takes more time for a coach to make his impact than one year, but you like to see improvement during that time. we had NO improvement at all, we got worse. Mind you alot of that was due to injuries, had we not had so many damn injuries last year, who knows, we could have won a few more games, and we may not have had bill, jeff, and tony here. However, that being said, Cam had lost this team, nobody believed in him or any of the other coaches, at that point... a change needs to be made, regardless...
  14. Xeticus

    Xeticus Junior Member

    Mar 30, 2008
    Cameron wasn't ready i think. Maybe with some time under Tuna he'd become a better coach. Sparano is already a better coach than he was at the beginning of the season.

    But what got Cameron canned here more than anything was a combination of things. He lost the confidence of fans and players. He made really questionable personnel decisions. And he had a 1-15 record. It was too much. It was perfect storm of awful. A completely heartbreaking year for players and fans. We're so much better off now without him I think.
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  15. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Slightly left of center
    Deserved more time, you mean we got to try and convict him? What were the charges? Felony incompetence and fraud? Counterfeiting pep rally speeches? Kidnapping a college player, AND HIS whole family?!

    Absolutely fuggin a right he deserved more time...15-20 with time off for taking up golf woulda been fair.
  16. Coral Reefer

    Coral Reefer Premium Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Back in Miami
    Regardless of where you stand on Cameron one thing should be clear.

    The Ravens Insider is the last thing that should be making a determination on how the Dolphins handled THEIR situation.

    They can't even assess the situation considering they hired him as a Coordinator and not a Head Coach. They have no experience with Cameron in that position on their team to have any idea how he was handling it here.

    STFU Ravens Insider.
  17. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    All this article does is belie the fact that there are some niggling doubts in the Baltimore fanbase regarding Cameron which needed this self-reassurance.
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  18. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    He probably did deserve more time, but the circumstances did not allow. Letting Bill Parcells pick his guy vs. giving Cameron another year was an easy decision to make.
  19. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

    Dec 1, 2007
    Melbourne, Fl
    Yes, the team suffered through an onslaught of injuries, but ask yourself how those happened and why the injuries were so devastating?

    1. The "Club Med" type of training camp we went through did not condition the players properly.

    2. The lack of depth, especially on the DL and the secondary.

    3. Failure to find the right players for the right positions, leading to confusion on both sides of the field.

    Cam clearly was in way over his head, and this is coming from someone who supported him until the Keith Traylor incident. That moment right there is when the REAL Cam Cameron was revealed.
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  20. rafael

    rafael Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Apr 6, 2008
    I think Cam had some good coaching qualities that in the right situation would be very productive. And I even would have been ok with here another year but for two facts. The first is that he clearly lost the team. Once that happens it's impossible for that coach to be successful there within any reasonable time frame. Second, there was an opportunity to bring in better leadership with a different vision. I was never on the Tuna is God band wagon, but he clearly has a record of success that would give us some much needed credibility.
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  21. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Dec 20, 2007
    I think a lot of players wanted out and were gutless, i dont know if it was his responsibility of rallying the troops in unification, but he did a bad job of that so iam glad hes not our coach. not the makeup i want in my leader
  22. theWeasel

    theWeasel Junior Member

    Mar 24, 2008
    Hollister Florida
    He belongs to the Baltimore family now and of course they are to going to say positive things about him. glad he's gone!
  23. Larry Little

    Larry Little Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Dec 16, 2007
    Nashville, TN
    Excellent points by everyone here.

    This may sound cold, however... I really don't care how 'good' of a guy Cam Cameron was, or is. He may be a great coach somewhere else, but for a great multitude of reasons, he was absolutely terrible in Miami.

    The main reason he failed with the Dolphins, IMHO, was that the man has no backbone. He was soft on his players from beginning to end, and in my opinion, if you want to play a tough sport, you have to have a tough team, and that toughness begins at the head coach, trickles down through the assistant coaches, all the way to the players. Cam put together a soft football team, and then failed to lead them. Time and time and time again Cam Cameron backed down when faced by challenging situations.

    Damn right, Cam... the responsibility absolutely DOES fall directly on your shoulders. The 2007 Dolphins were darn near HISTORICALLY bad, and a lot of that has to do with the fact that they had a complete wimp for a head coach.

    Cam Cameron... with absolutely no doubt... did a terrible job as head coach of the Miami Dolphins, and deserved to be fired. The Ravens Insider... or whoever they are... are 100% wrong.
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  24. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Dec 20, 2007

    Any coach with any toughness or instinct would be able to identify that playing in this town, TOUGHNESS is the number characteristic needed to be sucessful.

    Starting off by letting dom capers run your defense and not oversee the entire team, was mistake number 1, running a soft camp was worthy of a smack upside the head.. cost him his job
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  25. Loyal Fin

    Loyal Fin Business as usual

    Mar 22, 2008
    South Florida
    Thanks for all the replies, guys. Wonderful insight.

    I remember a large number of members expressing Cams departure was premature. I guess hindsight is 20/20 and most fans are pleased with the new direction.

    I, for one, never bought into Cam. From his demeanor with the press to his training camps and beyond. He struck me as the wrong guy at the wrong time. I knew it was a matter of time before he lost his team.
    To lead a large group of men, including staff and players, to victory on a football field requires more than long detailed speeches and abstract sayings. (Fail, Foward, Fast)

    Less talking with the fans and media, more hands on with the players please. Coach Sparano is perfect because like Jeff Ireland has said, "He's a battleship commander". That fits him perfectly. Players don't have to worry about anything except doing their job, what's asked of them.
    If you train the whole team rigorously, injuries wont impact as much.. like Ikechuku Ndukwe

    It's all water under the bridge now but for the Ravens Insider to say that left me awe-struck. I guess one has to protect what's theirs. Im glad Cam found his nitch and I wish him the best. I really do, he's a nice guy..but he's not someone I want training my beloved team. I wish him well, and wish him good fortune... just not tommorow:up:
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  26. Kanye West

    Kanye West 'Parcells' Guy

    Mar 23, 2008
    Cam Camron lost his job when he drafted Ted Ginn Jr when every one wanted Brady Quinn.
  27. m ino

    m ino New Member

    Jul 20, 2008
    i was actually surprised that he wasn't lynched after the ginn pick at the draft party..i think it was the shock of it all. it looked worse than when the jets drafted their kicker a few yrs back.
  28. Onehondo

    Onehondo Senior Member Club Member

    Dec 20, 2007
    Chesapeake, Virginia
    There is a lot of reasons Cam Cameron was not a good fit in Miami.

    After years of confusion and instability in Miami they needed a strong coach who could bring stability to the organization for which Cameron never came close. With all of the negative things that had transpired with Saban's abrupt departure being the most recent, Miami needed a strong authoratative head coach to take charge and give it direction and Cameron was definitely not that.

    With his easy training camp he set the wheels in motion for a doomed season and a long injury list. It was apparent that he was attempting to be a buddy to the players rather than their head coach through his actions.
    He rapidly lost respect of his players and the fans by his questionable decisions, Ronnie Brown returning kicks, and removing himself from one preseason game and allowing an assistant to be the head coach when he was still learning the position himself. Miami had already lost respect in the eyes of the other teams before he had arrived, but Cameron turned that into being a laughingstock.
    His statement to the fans and press about Ginn being the 1st pick was a joke and humiliating. Him stating that Ginn was a good returnman and the Dolphins had drafted the whole Ginn family hardly indicated that it justified the pick. It gave me flashbacks to the Wannstedt comment about Eddie Moore being a good special teams player as the Dolphin's first pick (not in the first round) of that years draft.
    The incident on the team flight and his handling of Traylor all added to the disrespect his players were developing for him as a coach.
    Cam Cameron looked foolish in his actions and made the Dolphins look inept in doing so.
    Giving him one more year could have been a record setter in giving the Dolphins an 0-16 season to go with their undefeated season. Maybe not, but we couldn't dare the chance.
    Him being a good person, I am glad he is doing well with the Ravens, but better there than here.
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  29. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

    Dec 2, 2007
    Miami FL
    Right, once you lose your team you're done as a HC.
  30. Baltboy

    Baltboy New Member

    Oct 18, 2008
    The "Insider" is a jerk named Mike Preston.
    A lot of Raven fan's can't stand his opinion pieces.
    I don't pay him any mind.
    Here's to a good game tomorrow,
    hopefully no injuries.
  31. cnc66

    cnc66 wiley veteran, bad spelur Luxury Box

    Nov 23, 2007
    well said ! Welcome Baltboy, I am glad you stopped in to visit. We welcome rival fans that want to discuss football. Look around, make yourself at home.
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  32. Fin Fan In Cali

    Fin Fan In Cali Dolphin fan since 1970 Luxury Box

    Nov 22, 2007
    So. Cal
    Welcome brother! Thanks for signing up.:up: I hope we have a great game with no injuries as well.:wink2:
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  33. Baltboy

    Baltboy New Member

    Oct 18, 2008
    It was worth the visit just to read Con's keys to the game.
    Good stuff there!
    I think he hit the nail on the head with that one :up:
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  34. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

    Nov 30, 2007

    Dude ... you either got to go easy on the "enter" key or you really suck at writing limericks :wink2:

    How bout this one:

    There once was a jerk named Mike P.
    And a lot of Ravens agree
    His pieces are ****e
    So treat them with spite
    Good game and no injur-ee.

    Edit: Yeah, I suck at limericks, too. Have fun around here, mate.
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  35. cnc66

    cnc66 wiley veteran, bad spelur Luxury Box

    Nov 23, 2007

    Yea he has been doing that for us this season and we are glad. We have a few other guys writing that are pretty good too, plus there is a humor piece from Sam. We are pretty proud of the quality of our members, there are some bright folks here.
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  36. bbqpitlover

    bbqpitlover Well-Known Member

    Aug 28, 2008
    If they Baltimore press doesn't believe Cameron should have been fired after one year then why didn't the Ravens hire him as their head coach? Heck why didn't ANY NFL team interview Cameron for any vacant head coach position. Hey Baltimore keep buying into the Cameron crap and watch your team lose, you are getting use to it, so you might as well keep the course.
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  37. Boik14

    Boik14 Admin Club Member Retired Administrator

    Nov 28, 2007
    New York
    Exactly. I was done with him after the initial press conference when I declared him unfit as a HC. I guess every franchise has their Rich Kotite... :no:

    The good part is that we probably never bring the Tuna here if not for his idiot predecessor. :hi5:
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  38. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

    Dec 8, 2007
    Well away from here
    Thanks man. It is nice to have the opposing perspective. If you feel like asking or having a healthy debate about the game give me a shout.
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  39. PMZQ

    PMZQ Banned

    Nov 24, 2007
    Miami, FL
    Well its certainly at that time I started to question him, from that point on he had to be an excellent coach to get me, and other fans back. Now if he wins, no problem, but that didn't happen, actually the opposite happened. At that point Huizenga has a public relations problem, and that can easily turn into an economic issue for Mr H, especially in these hard times. With a team in rebellion, and a fan base deserting the team (loss of season tix) Wayne was put in a position where getting rid of Cam was very, very easy.

    Also don't I remember Mr H saying upon the drafting of Ginn, that Ginn "had better be good" and "the right decision" right after the draft ? I think by the end of the year, most of us fans actually considered Ginn a big disappointment (and he still is) and I think that puts Mr H in the unenviable position where Cameron had to be the man to take the axe for the 1-15 record.
  40. With Parcells coming on board I had no doubt that Cam would be "relieved of his duties." Parcells prefers to surround himself with coaches he knows (and have proven themselves) as well as players he respects. I agree - our team had just lost respect for Cam, and after being burned so badly by Nick Saban, I think they were just begging for strong leadership. Having worked in professional sports (New Jersey Devils), I am all too familiar with the old adage "it's cheaper to fire the coach than the players." Parcells is, in my opinion, absolutely on the right track - this team is responding and they're having FUN again, which is just going to feed their continued success.
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