Rare positive post about Ginn

I seriously do not know why he has not gotten the ball a bit more the past few games. It seems to me the only real deep routes in last game where to Hartline and Cam (I could be wrong) or it can be that the camera only shows certain things. It seems to me maybe they have lost some confidence in him due to the ball dropping earlier in the season. But if my mind serves me correct he has made some great catches the past 3 games, all difficult sideline catches. If you think about it they have to see something in him to keep him in there. I think as him and Henne continue to work better things will come, it all takes time. As a fan though 7 days between games does seem very long, but if you think about it he has only been playing with Henne a relatively short period time even though it feels like an eternity.

a entire thread for one route? one route? wow

consider who the route was ran against and how wide open he was

"anlgp wrote:

consider who the route was ran against and how wide open he was

gibril wilson made some good plays against drew brees. now consider who it was against. those few plays....wilson has talent!!!!

gimme a break. every corner gets roasted. every single one. no one doubts ginns speed. no one. but the OP is someone who is very adamant against pointless threads and posts....and then he starts an entire thread to remind all of us about one route that happened months ago.

pot meet kettle

He also mentioned some of those very difficult sideline catches Ginn has made this season. He also said if you don't have anything positive to say you can post on another thread.

"Merauder wrote:

He also mentioned some of those very difficult sideline catches Ginn has made this season. He also said if you don't have anything positive to say you can post on another thread.

and ill start a thread saying you must type with one hand to respond.......then you have to listen. whats this 3rd grade? its a public forum. start a ginn club if you wanna keep it all positive. this is getting ridiculous

"Merauder wrote:

He also mentioned some of those very difficult sideline catches Ginn has made this season. He also said if you don't have anything positive to say you can post on another thread.

no he didnt

"SICK wrote:

a entire thread for one route? one route? wow

Agreed. Those first 5 full games with Henne, Ginn was terrible. The long pass in the Jets game was his lone good-to-great play at WR. He may have had a few first downs also, but that's it. He also had an abysmal 35% catch rate, and at least 5 drops (more if you count the Chargers game, and a worse catch rate), one of which led to a pick-six (though it never should have stood).

If you want a positive post about Ginn, talk about what he has done in the past 5 games. He has had no more than 2 drops (I don't even think it's been that many), you can actually live with a WR who has 2 drops every 5 games though. He has had 8 of his 11 catches over the past 5 games go for first downs, and has worked the sidelines very well on a few of them. His catch rate over the past 5 games is all the way up to 61%, which is at the very least respectable, if not good. It's also been pretty clear that he helps others get open when he is on the field, and he is certainly creating separation at times, as he was even open in overtime on the play that went for an INT.

I mean there are plenty of things to be positive about over the most recent stretch of games with Henne, as opposed to attempting to be ultra positive about the lone play that was made over what might be arguably one of the worst stretches a WR in a dolphin uniform may have ever had.

Ok, it was Delfin who said that. Knitpit much?

"Stitches wrote:

Agreed. Those first 5 full games with Henne, Ginn was terrible. The long pass in the Jets game was his lone good-to-great play at WR. He may have had a few first downs also, but that's it. He also had an abysmal 35% catch rate, and at least 5 drops though (more if you count the Chargers game).

If you want a positive post about Ginn, talk about what he has done in the past 5 games. He has had no more than 2 drops (I don't even think it's been that many), you can actually live with a WR who has 2 drops every 5 games. He has had 8 of his 11 catches over the past 5 games go for first downs, and has worked the sidelines very well on a few of them. His catch rate over the past 5 games is all the way up to 61%, which is at the very least respectable, if not good.

I mean there are plenty of things to be positive about over the most recent stretch of games with Henne, as opposed to attempting to be ultra positive about the lone play that was made over what might be arguably one of the worst stretches a WR in a dolphin uniform may have ever had.

well said pete. ts should take notes :lol:

Congrats to Ginn on having that one big play against Revis.

"SICK wrote:

and ill start a thread saying you must type with one hand to respond.......then you have to listen. whats this 3rd grade? its a public forum. start a ginn club if you wanna keep it all positive. this is getting ridiculous

Ridiculous as, say, all those threads talking negatively about Ginn? I don't care for talking bad about Ginn, it's just the excessive amount of threads. Merge them all together.

I really hope that Ginn can get it together because speed is something that you just can't teach but I have NEVER seen a professional NFL player look so scared to get hit. He looking to get down as soon as someone gets close to him as oppossed to someonen like DeSean Jackson who is looking to break a big play. He looks very uncomfortable out there. I think the book on Ginn is to jam him at the line because he has trouble beating the jam, and it disrupts the timing of the play.

"alen1 wrote:

Ridiculous as, say, all those threads talking negatively about Ginn? I don't care for talking bad about Ginn, it's just the excessive amount of threads. Merge them all together.

agreed. but an entire thread for one play from months ago.....is laughable.

He has 11 catches in his past 5 games.
We used to get that kind of production out of Rob Konrad.

Positive: Ted Ginn is about as good a WR as Rob Konrad.

"SICK wrote:

agreed. but an entire thread for one play from months ago.....is laughable.

There's a couple that are like that, just talking negatively about him.

"alen1 wrote:

There's a couple that are like that, just talking negatively about him.

i said i agreed :lol:

"JimToss wrote:

He has 11 catches in his past 5 games.
We used to get that kind of production out of Rob Konrad.

Positive: Ted Ginn is about as good a WR as Rob Konrad.

That's incredibly misleading for a number of reasons. Konrad on his receptions is coming out of the backfield and working on LBs, if anyone. In addition to that, his ypc was incredibly low (well under 10ypc, not that there is anything wrong with that for a FB). Konrad really didn't run the variety of routes that Ginn has been running, nor do I recall him ever working the sideline. Ever. Not to mention Ginn is getting time like the 4th WR, so I don't know why anyone would expect him to have "team leading" numbers with the snaps he's getting.

Someone had a highlight video of his big plays a few months ago on the board. It seems a lot of people think Ginn has never had an impact and never made a good play in his career. He has shown a ton of flashes of his talent - even entire games. His problem has been consistency.

I think you bring him to camp and hope that his hands come back and match his improved ability to get separation. If they do, you have a decent weapon - even with his fear of getting hit.

Edit - here is a URL to some highlights - YouTube- The best of Ted Ginn Jr.

I encourage the people that say he has never done anything or that his hands have always been horrible to watch this.

I'm hoping a lot of his issues this year were just an adjustment to a new QB with a new type of throw.

Maybe after playing with him for the year, TC, and getting another #1 he'll start to pay dividends. Then again, I think we see #1 Receiver, Hartline, and Bess in the slot. But eh. I think the problem for Ted Ginn is that we just have people playing the receiver position better than him right now, and even if he seems like he's coming on and makes some plays, picking up someone who can consistently do it will remove his usefulness. As it stands now, Hartline has been a better receiver this year for us than Ginn. And we all know that the NFL, and its fans are a what have you done lately for me league.

"hooserdaddy wrote:

I really hope that Ginn can get it together because speed is something that you just can't teach but I have NEVER seen a professional NFL player look so scared to get hit. He looking to get down as soon as someone gets close to him as oppossed to someonen like DeSean Jackson who is looking to break a big play. He looks very uncomfortable out there. I think the book on Ginn is to jam him at the line because he has trouble beating the jam, and it disrupts the timing of the play.

Pat White and Ginn need to hit the Cuban restaurant tour and bulk up a little. Maybe he wont be as scared if he is a little bigger. LOL

"Stitches wrote:

That's incredibly misleading for a number of reasons. Konrad on his receptions is coming out of the backfield and working on LBs, if anyone. In addition to that, his ypc was incredibly low (well under 10ypc, not that there is anything wrong with that). Konrad really didn't run the variety of routes that Ginn has been running, nor do I recall him ever working the sideline. Ever.

Yeah there was a bit of joking on my post there. I by no means believe Konrad is actually a better WR.

Ginn has fallen on the depth chart to the degree that he is probably the #4 WR on the team. Probably the #6 option with Ricky and Fasano ahead of him. Ginn's production has been that of a #4 WR.

"SeanP wrote:

I'm hoping a lot of his issues this year were just an adjustment to a new QB with a new type of throw.

Maybe after playing with him for the year, TC, and getting another #1 he'll start to pay dividends. Then again, I think we see #1 Receiver, Hartline, and Bess in the slot. But eh. I think the problem for Ted Ginn is that we just have people playing the receiver position better than him right now, and even if he seems like he's coming on and makes some plays, picking up someone who can consistently do it will remove his usefulness. As it stands now, Hartline has been a better receiver this year for us than Ginn. And we all know that the NFL, and its fans are a what have you done lately for me league.

He's arguably been very consistent in recent weeks though. I'm not saying he is irreplaceable, but 61% catch rate and having 72% of your receptions go for first downs is pretty good.

I mean there are probably people on this team playing WR better right now, but there are multiple people in the league playing better than ANY WR on our team. More than just Ginn is replaceable IMO.

"JimToss wrote:

Yeah there was a bit of joking on my post there. I by no means believe Konrad is actually a better WR.

Ginn has fallen on the depth chart to the degree that he is probably the #4 WR on the team. Probably the #6 option with Ricky and Fasano ahead of him. Ginn's production has been that of a #4 WR.

I looked at Konrad's stats, and couldn't believe he actually had a 10 catch game before. I mean how bad was our passing game that game where Konrad got 10+ passes his way?