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Quick Thoughts On Phins DOmination of Pats

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Bpk, Sep 7, 2014.

  1. Jaj

    Jaj Registered

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    I'd agree with that. No idea if you take out Colledge or Smith but having a running game and a passing game at the same time is pretty nice.
     
  2. Pennington's Limp Arm

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    Great observation about Wallace getting enthusiasm/passion from the play of Moreno.

    I don't think he goes head first at two Patriot defenders along the sidelines without inspiration from Moreno... Moreno was so amped up! Haven't seen a Fin put in a performance like that in years!
     
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  3. Jaj

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    He never sucked he just wasn't a man scheme blocker. He was really good in Cameron's 2007 scheme.
     
  4. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Exactly cannot say it enough, being a Center involves Football IQ, the Center HAS to spend their time studying not only their opponents, but themselves, the D, the Qb that little bit of 10% is where games are won and lost

    Now PFF will come along and "grade" the game, only a non football watching dribble glass can not recognize..a Sgt who lines up his platoon and each and everyone knows their assignemt is massively important, and of course Smith's offside call will be a downgrade

    Announcer actually said " the G pushed the tackler off of him (Moreno)"
     
  5. dolfan22

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    It is the first game of his third season in a new offense , while I certainly would have preferred he play better in the first half , he can improve on the inconsistencies imo. Brady looked no better , Tannehill also had another come from behind win , which is something I quite like.

    Saw a lot of positives with obvious negatives. He was helped by the OL and Moreno and the running game , but he sure wasn't helped by his receivers .
     
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  6. PhinFan1968

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    Mike Wallace: "I tweaked my hamstring early in the game so I was kind of on half a leg. Kinda hard for me to build up the power I wanted."

    GOOD. Take a few weeks off to recover well.
     
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  7. padre31

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    Crafty Vet, watching the game Wilfork got so frustrated he had the head down/bullrush and Satele merely invited him to the ground

    Ober Dictum...what the hell is PFF watching
     
  8. dolfan22

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    Players feed off that and a fierce player can demand and elevate teammates. Wake can and does on D but we never had one on offense. It can be very very contagious , add players that play insanely tough and we'll see the positive results. Hickey's added some good rookies and vets as well.
     
  9. padre31

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    And it works well, real problem is, we did win, Tannehill looked like dog poo
     
  10. vt_dolfan

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    He did in first half...but where did he look bad in 2nd?

    I remember Green pointing out some really good decisions...and he had two gorgeous throws..one to Clay..one to Sims...that were dropped.
     
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  11. rafael

    rafael Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Exactly, give me that same Tannehill game every week without the Wallace and Miller fumbles, half of the PI no-calls we should have had and a key drop or two less and we'll win a ton of games this year.
     
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  12. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    IMO on the interception he threw to Wallace, there should have been an illegal contact penalty.
     
  13. Bpk

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    Tannehill to Wallace looked like dog poo.

    More and more I think I need to separate Tannehill into two categories: how he plays w Wallace, and how he plays w everyone else.
     
  14. MrClean

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    I think the play where Trent Green mentioned that, it was actually Dion Sims who made the block. He contributed a lot with his run blocks today. Almost like a 6th OL.
     
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  15. Nappy Roots

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    Tale of two halves. He looked like crap the first half. Better the 2nd half though. He still needs to prove himself though.
     
  16. padre31

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    Yep, and what I saw was the OL getting into Rhythm and Moreno following then upfield, then heading north and south

    TBH Moreno reminded me of the "good" Ronnie Brown today
     
  17. MrClean

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    Yet, in 2008, playing with two shoulder injuries, the line as whole with him at C did pretty well in the man power scheme. After the way he gutted out the '08 season, I thought trading him was a pretty sorry excuse for what should have been a slap on the back.
     
  18. padre31

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    Decisions are fine, THill's problem is placement accuracy

    Catch the ball, heading downhill, our O guys are happy to catch the ball B/C of it

    IE miller falling down
     
  19. MrClean

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    Satele deserves a good PFF grade. If he doesn't come out positive, like at least a +1.5 to 2.5, I'm sending them an email expressing my consternation.
     
  20. TooGoodForDez

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    The start was Epic. It was a knockdown. Three and out, recovered blocked punt, TD.
    O dominated even during the turnovers, we were rolling over them.
    Then the Phins got rolling on all cylinders in the second half, steamrolled the Pats.

    Too bad the turnovers and a few missed throws ruined what could've been an Epic blowout by like 40 points, a college score.
     
  21. MrClean

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    I dunno if it was as bad as dog poo, but his overall effort was rather Henne like. We need better from him that is for sure.
     
  22. MrClean

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    Wallace had 7 catches, 3 more than anyone else. The 4 times they didn't connect looked like more on RT's accuracy than Wallace's effort to catch it.
     
  23. Silverphin

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    If this game is gonna be the worst of RT17 this season, then I'm okay with this.
     
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  24. MrClean

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    Moreno to me seems like the "good" Lamar Smith, like during the 2000 season.
     
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  25. djphinfan

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    not sure how you can put that fumble all on Wallace, it was a simple cross route and Ryan had an open lane to see it, if he leads him Wallace doesn't fumble, he threw the ball completely behind him while Wallace was in full stride, Wallace makes a 180, catches on hips, turns and gets planted, not his fault for where his body was positioned, terribly easy throw that was terrible.
     
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  26. dolfan22

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    I've mentioned 17 , don't think he was nearly that bad , not nearly. Had gaffes and bad plays but he wasn't helped nearly as much by his receivers as he should have been imo. Game to build on.
     
  27. Dolphans Unite!

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    It wasn't different from his average performance in 2013, which means that if that's what we can come to expect from Tannehill this year, and the team is going to get significantly better than it was last year, that improvement is going to have to come from other areas.

    That's not exactly what you want from a top-10 overall quarterback. You'd like to see Tannehill improve significantly, which would put less of an onus on the rest of the team to have to improve. Of course you'd like to see both, but it's a quarterback-driven league, and you want that cornerstone in place if you expect to be highly competitive.
     
  28. TooGoodForDez

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    Dog poo is too harsh. He left 21 easy points off the board that the system gift wrapped for him. Can't do that.

    Sturgis pleasantly surprised.
     
  29. danmarino

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    Tanny did play poorly overall, but his only mistake was the INT. And that INT was due to someone being in his face and causing him to throw off of his back foot. However, and Trent Green was saying the same thing, Tanny was inaccurate all day long. He needs to better lead his receivers and he needs to get it to them on time.

    I'll take the win though. And I won't be too hard on some the bad play by Wallace or the drop by Clay because it's the first game of the season.

    And thank you Denver for Moreno. What a beast...
     
  30. Silverphin

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    Like I said, if this is his WORST. I'm not expecting this to be his norm for the season.

     
  31. Dolphans Unite!

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    My point is that I'm not sure there's any reason not to expect this to be his norm for the season. It was his norm for last season, and I don't think we have any indication that it isn't his ceiling in the NFL.
     
  32. MrClean

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    It was a good way to get Sturgis off on the right foot. 3 of the 4 attempts were totally chip shots. After not kicking much in preseason, it is good have him feeling comfortable and confident.
     
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  33. djphinfan

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    That's a nice thought, but the same weaknesses are there, no pocket presence, 0 escapability/reactionary quickness, and absolutely dead instincts when to tuck and run.

    I think he has a problem assimilating pressure from his brain to his athleticism..it doesn't get transferred.

    The good news for him and us is that even for him, he played a poor game..
     
  34. IdrA

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    McCain and Jenkins definitely deserve a start.
     
  35. TooGoodForDez

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    Yes. I was very happy with his kickoffs, he boomed quite a few out of the endzone, and on the short ones he put enough air under them so the coverage team was not at a disadvantage.
     
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  36. danmarino

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    I think his pocket presence is about average. I would love it if he'd just tuck it and run when the pocket collapses more often, but I think that has more to do with Sherman than him not being able to assimilate pressure. I'm hoping that Lazour will fix that.
     
  37. Dolphans Unite!

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    I think the problem is that he isn't attuned enough to the pressure in the first place, because he's unable to divide his attention between what he's processing downfield and the rush happening around him. Consequently he's late on processing the pressure, because he isn't paying enough attention to it in the first place.

    "Pocket presence" is a fancy way of saying "an ability to divide one's attention between his downfield reads and the rush happening around him." When one can't divide his attention successfully in that manner, he has little or no pocket presence.

    It's about like when you change the radio station in your car, while still having some idea of what's going on on the road in front of you. Tannehill's watching the road in front of him so intently that he can't change his radio station.
     
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  38. Jaj

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    I feel like you take the good and the bad with him. Let him loose, see what happens. The defense looks strong enough to take the down cycles.
     
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  39. Sumlit

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    He got a lot better in the second half. His first half was pretty shaky.

    He needs to let his natural instincts take over. ****ing Sherman coached him to be too robotic and methodical, and as a consequence his decisions are not instinctual and timely.

    Lazor has to coach the Sherman out of him. The second half is a good trend going for the second game.
     
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  40. Clark Kent

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    yeah, it's Sherman's fault Tannehill has bad feet and erratic accuracy.
     
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