QB's for 2015 Draft (aka the 19th starting QB since Marino)

There's also a guy at Ole Miss, plays tonight, "Bubba Jenkins" or something like that.

"TooGoodForDez wrote:

There's also a guy at Ole Miss, plays tonight, "Bubba Jenkins" or something like that.

You talking about Bo Wallace? LOL.

Bubba Jenkins.

For the record I'm not a buyer yet on Bryce Petty.

Jameis Winston I'm extremely wary about the incredible stupidity of his screwups. Stealing crab legs? Really? Even if it's just a situation where that Publix gives (NCAA violation) hookups to FSU players and the floor manager on duty that particular day just wasn't aware of the hookup, still just stupid as hell. And the rape thing...trust me there was definitely something unrighteous going on. And all of this either does completely fit with his plastic preacherman speech routine, or it doesn't fit with it all depending on whether you buy into it or not. He speaks the most utter nonsense with maximum sincerity. But the guy can play football, factoring in how young he is and how much development progress he could make. You can question his off the field decision making, but the guy KNOWS the sport and studies it like anyone you've ever seen at his age.

The thing that makes me wary of Marcus Mariota are A) his presence in the pocket, and B) his accuracy. He fumbles the football A LOT and you can't help but notice how skinny he is in the pocket when you see that. He doesn't have what I would call a great pocket sense or a lot of escapability, despite his athleticism. I see him running from ghosts a lot. And when push comes to shove, he's throwing the ball inaccurately a lot. But off the field and from a personality standpoint, everything I hear comes up Milhouse. So if he's just got to improve some things before he becomes worthy of the hype about him, that's not any kind of deal breaker. He could improve.

Brett Hundley again, accuracy issues. But more decision-making issues as well.

Connor Cook is a guy that really looks and plays exactly as you want for the position. But he's old school. No real athletic ability to speak of. That could be a problem in today's NFL going forward, I hate to admit. The other problems with him are, A) too many screwed up decisions (still quite young), and B) maybe this is a problem and maybe it isn't but he wasn't voted a team captain and I heard some reactions from people that follow the team that were not all that surprised. Maybe they're not surprised because only seniors get voted captain at MSU, I dunno. Or maybe he's not Captain Terrific in the locker room...which would kind of suck because he's got potential.

Shane Carden is a very, very accurate passer, and a good decision maker. But I question his arm strength.

I love Chuckie Keeton's playing speed, and his athleticism is what you want nowadays, but there's a funkiness in the way he delivers the football especially on the run. I'm not sure he's really got that feel like he is able to keep all his options open from different platforms, both inside and outside the pocket. I wonder if there are limitations there. But the playing speed alone could translate to NFL success.

Connor Halliday is still a wildcard. Big arm. Accurate. Has really flashed play-maker abilities under duress. But in the end, some disappointing decisions keep coming out of him...part of which you know is the offense and the coaching. And the dude is a bean pole. It's no wonder he got a lacerated liver a few years back.

Cody Fajardo strikes me as a poor man's Marcus Mariota. He could be an interesting question, down the road. Remember Colin Kaepernick was once a poor man's Cam Newton...but both became good quarterbacks.

People know that I love Rakeem Cato. Every now and then he's guilty of making one of those "trying to be a hero" bad decisions. Every now and then the ball comes out a little inaccurately. But really the biggest issue with him is just size. Otherwise the guy is one hell of a play-maker, with great escapability and presence of mind. He can operate one of those high-powered spread offenses by being reliable in where he puts the ball in the quick passing game, and he can also make hella good plays when things break down. And despite his size, he does NOT take big hits. He has the presence of mind to avoid contact and save himself. Just a very good football player that plays the game the way I love to see. I just want to see him improve in all facets as a passer and decision-maker but there's Russell Wilson type potential in the way he approaches the game. But he doesn't have Russell Wilson type experience in a pro style offense and that could be important.

David Ash also has a lot of natural talent so I'd be interested in seeing what he does this year.

Sean Mannion one of those guys that kind of looks the part and plays the part but in the end can't do anything dynamically and also can't necessarily be relied upon to be consistent or clutch...so what do you REALLY have here? Probably a backup.

"ckparrothead wrote:

You talking about Bo Wallace? LOL.

Bubba Jenkins.

lol. Yea, that's it, Thank bro!

As far as Mariota, he plays fast, makes quick decisions and usually nails it. The thing to look for with him is the rare pocket moments. For a guy like that, It would do a world of good to transfer to Wiscy like Russell Wilson and learn to play in the pocket as well.

"TooGoodForDez wrote:

lol. Yea, that's it, Thank bro!

As far as Mariota, he plays fast, makes quick decisions and usually nails it. The thing to look for with him is the rare pocket moments. For a guy like that, It would do a world of good to transfer to Wiscy like Russell Wilson and learn to play in the pocket as well.

I get most worried when I see Mariota run from ghosts, and then fumble when any contact comes in on him. I also get mildly worried about all the errant passes, though I understand as a really young player that's something that you expect to get better.

"CaribPhin wrote:

Am I wrong for, at the current time, having zero prospects for Jameis Winston? Every part of what he did seemed so easy and for some reason that makes me skeptical. Then he'd have a bad stretch like the first half vs. Miami and come right back but I'd be stuck on the **** show of the first half. That's not to say he had many such bad stretches.

I don't think Winston throws a very good ball honestly. I want to see him without his huge target at WR bailing him out. I notice a lot of wobble in his passes even if they do reach the target.

Winston has a funky finger disfigurement on the ring finger of his throwing hand that will get some scrutiny from evaluators when it comes time. Whenever he throws a less than ideal ball, a lot of people are going to see that as the reason why.

But the thing to note about him is how very smart he is on the field, how much football theory he knows and is able to put into practice, and the fact that he never ever looks overwhelmed. Hell I think Tannehill can get overwhelmed in a preseason game once he makes a bad mistake and decides he's just going to pile them on. Happened twice just this preseason. The NCAA Championship Game in the first half is probably the only time you've ever seen the situation get bigger than Winston, and he quickly wrested control of the situation back in the second half. That's a pretty rare trait, IMO.

I think Jameis goes to a third year before he declares anyways, the scouts and agents will tempt him but he needs more polishing... Manziel left a year too early in my opinion and he will pay for it just like Sanchez did when he left USC.

I think I kind of isolated in my mind what I don't like about Chuckie Keeton's throwing. He really needs a lot of hip torque to throw the ball. Despite his fast playing speed, it slows down the throwing process and limits his options. And when you see him unable to get his feet and over-pronate his hip, the ball comes out pretty inaccurately.

"Vertical Limit wrote:

I think Jameis goes to a third year before he declares anyways, the scouts and agents will tempt him but he needs more polishing... Manziel left a year too early in my opinion and he will pay for it just like Sanchez did when he left USC.

Winston's parents seem pretty intent on keeping him in until he graduates. I could see that happening. This draft could come down to Marcus Mariota and Brett Hundley at the top, with Connor Cook the riser.

This is what I wrote about Connor Cook in the other thread:

I had only looked superficially at Connor Cook of Michigan State and always liked what I saw there. Recently been taking a little deeper of a dive on him and he has the potential to be very good, IMO.

Anticipation, accuracy, ability to throw from different platforms and manage the play with things being thrown at him in the pocket...all very impressive. Nifty player. Good arm, too. Needs to get his mechanics a little more consistent and that will help him be more accurate, but he's an inherently accurate player. Not mechanical and I like that. Very fluid body control. He can really exploit the middle of the field with his ability to read the defense. I like that. Needs to clean up his decision-making under duress, can definitely be too aggressive that way at times. But if you have to have a problem with a QB prospect I think that's a good one to have. You like them to be aggressive but you ask them (over time) to find that fine line between aggressive and stupid, and don't cross it.

Reminds me a little bit of Brett Favre.

Jameis Winston is the best of the group but as stated he may go back to school for another year under pressure from his parents. And we still have to see whether he can mature.

Probably gonna come down to Hundley, Mariota and Cook. Maybe Kevin Hogan as well. Of those I can imagine Hundley regressing and falling out of the group altogether, or progressing rapidly and becoming the top guy.

Kevin Hogan gets a bad rap from some people but I think he's got the potential to be a pro starter. Good execution oriented player with solid decision-making skills and accuracy. Really has a knack for running and gaining yards. Big body, strong guy. I think Greg Cosell is probably going to pick apart his deep ball (what's new) but I don't know how much value that's going to have in the evaluation. He's able to get velocity on his throws and he's got a good release for the most part.

...or we could wait 3 years for Deshaun Watson. :shifty: #FutureTop10pick

When do we begin discussing Taysom Hill as a legit top quarterback prospect?

Where's DJ? He should be all over this guy.

This is not something I would have expected but that always happens every year.

This kid is in the early stages of a meteoric rise. He's already near the very top of early watch lists for the Heisman. Athlon Sports has him #2 in early Heisman running.

He destroyed Texas and Connecticut already this year. He's completing 72% of his passes. He's run for 197 yards and 5 TDs, putting him at 8 TDs total.

Last year he also beat Georgia Tech, Utah State and Boise State. Seems legit. I haven't done a deep dive on him or anything but he's one hell of a runner and he can spin the ball. Great build.

This is a highlight film so you're not seeing the bad throws, but...dayum. He can spin it. Great velocity. And as a runner he's Tebow all over again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qIaMqdphvE

I suggest skipping forward a bit during the parts where Ohio has the ball, so you can make this video shorter.

But the video is worth watching if you want to see what I see in Marshall QB Rakeem Cato:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj5zBUqjov8

This throw tho at 16s, dang, that is all I have to see.

http://youtu.be/TtA3qEb9z1I?t=16s

Pretty special throw.

Similar to this:

At some point, we gotta start calling Kevin Sumlin a QB guru. Between the QBs he's mentored at Oklahoma, Houston, and Texas A&M, he is putting out some amazing college QBs. Kenny Hill is looking like the top QB in the nation....too bad he's only a sophomore. 3 games, 1094 yds, 11 tds, 0 ints, 69.2% completions.

"ckparrothead wrote:

I suggest skipping forward a bit during the parts where Ohio has the ball, so you can make this video shorter.

But the video is worth watching if you want to see what I see in Marshall QB Rakeem Cato:

While I do not have your eye for this, Chris, I love the intangibles this kid brings. His back story (IMO)makes him hungry to succeed. The coaches rave about his hard work and his leadership skills. I know the Heisman hype is Marshall created and will probably go nowhere but this kid is special 'cept for his height. What round is he projected at right now? Would love this Miami kid to come back to his hometown and make good.

The 18th starting Qb since Marino retired. Not an exciting class this draft.
Hogan I like .

"The Rev wrote:

While I do not have your eye for this, Chris, I love the intangibles this kid brings. His back story (IMO)makes him hungry to succeed. The coaches rave about his hard work and his leadership skills. I know the Heisman hype is Marshall created and will probably go nowhere but this kid is special 'cept for his height. What round is he projected at right now? Would love this Miami kid to come back to his hometown and make good.

I'm with you. I have to admit, until recently I knew next to nothing about his background or intangibles. I just watched him on the field and appreciated everything he brought to the table that way. But now that I see the stuff about his intangibles, background, etc...I think it can't be coincidence.

Trevor Siemian of NW impressed me. I watched him in one video they have at draft breakdown. I searched youtube for more, and interestingly Nu Gap has one video of him from last year. Dude is impressive. He is right now in my top 2-3 only prospects.

Shane Carden of ECU had a sick game against Bud Foster's D. There are some concerns about his height, batted balls, and pocket presence, but he runs fast tempo, makes quick decisions, and delivers the ball well. The game is available this week on ESPN3. He was impressive, one of the best performances I've seen.
Shane Carden reminds me of Russell Wilson, the way he plays, it's fast, it looks like he plays under pressure, but he makes good reads, good throws, runs, throws on the run, his throws are sometimes high but safe, always threatening, that kind of stuff.