I'm close to as big a Barkley fan as you'll find but I don't see how you take Tannehill one year and turn around and take Barkley the next year.
I think you take Barkley if he falls far enough in the draft that you view him as a value pick. He could be viewed as Moores replacement and competition or insurance for THill. If THill fails you have another young stud waiting for an opprtunity and with the rookie cap its fincially managable. The biggest sacrafice is that pick used on him could of been used to improve the team elsewhere. Im not saying they should absolutely do it but I do see a reasonable scenerio where it would be reasonable to draft him.
You can't seriously think that I'm suggesting that we draft Barkley after the discussions we had on the other site earlier in the year. We were very much on the same page as per Weeden, but diametrically opposed as per Barkley. Who was a bigger critic of Barkley than me? I don't hate the guy, but I thought that he was being significantly overrated last year. He's getting slammed this year, maybe a little more than he deserves. Then again, maybe Tyler Wilson is as well after Arkansas had the off year (add Knile Davis to that list). I was simply positing an analysis of Barkley this year, after the tumult and shouting of his play last year are fading into memory. What surprises me is how far he has fallen- I said it before, I'll say it again- dude should have come out last year while the iron was hot. That being said, Kansas City screwed the pooch with the whole Matt Cassell debacle, and even though Barkley is now in the proverbial dog house and Kramer "Sell sell sell" mode, if I'm KC I'd be thinking of either taking him or trading down and taking him- my first choice would be Tyler Wilson, but I'd look into the whole Barkley thing. I'm not saying that there's value there- but who else is there besides Geno Smith for a QB starved team? What is Jax going to do, stay with Gabbert and Henne? Who knows. USC having a lousy year isn't all on Barkley's shoulders. I don't think that Barkley makes it past the Jets in the draft, and I have my doubts as to Jerry Jones passing on either him or Tyler Wilson if once again Tony Romo fails to get it done.
I'm sorry but I strongly disagree. Firstly, the lowest he'll fall is the 2nd round, and even though it might represent good value in general it'd be irresponsible move to use a high pick on a backup. Secondly, you don't draft Tannehill under any expectations that he might fail. He's the man until proven otherwise, and until then you don't stir the pot and create controversy by adding Barkley to the mix. Find a talented mid-late round guy you can develop and let that 2nd rounder go to someone whom you're pegging to see a significant amount of snaps.
Your point is a fair one and I do not disagree. I was only saying that if I were the coach and I had concerns about THill I would not be opposed to using a late 2nd rounder say for Barkley as insurance in case THill does not continue to improve. We need to replace Moore anyhow so bringing in another stud prospect would not be the worst move we could make. I do agree that it uses a pick that could be used to try and fix another hole. That holds true if the QB postion is in tact under THill which is an unknown at this point.
I'd rather take Charles Barkley. Or Iran Barkley. At least they can get it down the field and wither the camera work.
Maybe the singer from Gnarls Barkley as well, but he does make Doug Flutie look tall in comparison. I don't have a strong dislike for Barkley, but his average tools remind me of Matt Flynn. When he faces NFL DBs with that average arm and doesn't have WRs to throw to who are usually better than the opposing DBs, he might have some problems. That being said, he did unleash a bomb earlier this year that gave me pause to notice. I don't hate him, I just don't like him.
Jim, I can barely remember what day it is. My wife's birthday, by the way. If I forget that she'll kill me. But anyway, try not to get offended if I can't remember your position on certain players. I wasn't even insinuating that I think you're suggesting we draft Barkley. I was just nodding agreement to Todd's statement.
Fun day. You know what she'd love?! Go get a really nice custom picture frame.... something that elicits memories of the first day you hit her over the head with a Mallett, and stuff it with your dearest picture.... of Olivia Munn licking your face.
Barkley has a Ck fathead room This is a good example of pre draft hype, if he had come out last yr he'd have been a #1 pick
Could Matt Barkley play in Mike Sherman's system? What about in Mike McCarthy's? Josh McDaniels'? Or Ken Whisenhunt's?
Didn't mean it that way. I was acting stupid and twisting his sentence definition around emphasizing the "I'm close to" part, with particular emphasis on "close to". But of course you troglodites didn't get it. lol
I'm just really appreciating the hilarity of the thought of Matt Barkley having a CK fathead in his room. What would my pose be? It would probably be surprised, like "What are you taking that photo for?"
I don't see why not if your current QB situation looks like garbage..... but is he the guy you'd actually want to build your team around? Personally, I think not. As a 2nd rounder I'd draft him to upgrade what I have (especially if I'm Zona) until I can find a permanent solution, but as a 1st rounder he's a trap IMO b/c you'd likely be using his cost of investment as an excuse to not upgrade the position for at least a handful of years. I just feel he has a better chance of having a Sanchez type career than a Brees one b/c I don't think he has enough combined elite traits to become a top 10 QB. The brains are obviously there, but nothing else seems obviously elite IMO..... so I personally would cap his ceiling at somewhere around Chad Pennington, but with a floor of Sanchez.
I'd add Arizona to the list, they are sucking wind at the QB position. In a league that demands solid QB play they'll have to upgrade over Skelton and Kolb. I think that Barkley will slide a bit, but pretty much in line with what ultimately happened with Jake Locker. He can play ball, he just imo has a lower ceiling than one would hope for in a highly drafted QB.
Arizona is on the list. The key with Barkley will be what he sees before the snap opposed to after it -- that will be the deciding factor in a successful (or not) career IMO.
Sorry, I was referring to my short list of KC/Jax/NYJ/Dal. Look at the Jets- all the other drama aside, Sanchez is just a fail so far and a turnover/miscue waiting to happen. They need a game manager with reasonable ability, and Barkley can do that. Sometimes perfection, or in this case the search for it, can be the enemy of good. I'd strongly consider Tyler Wilson or Barkley if I were them, and maybe Aaron Murray in the 2nd rd if he declares. I'd actually feel sorry for them if they reached on Landry Jones. Well, maybe not.
After the 4 year bout of Sanchez botulism I'd be shocked to see the Jets order off the USC pizza menu again. The toppings might be a lil' different but it still looks like a 12" pie. ..... and with the speed they have a WR paired with the weather in NY? Not a good fit. Not as much need for precision as there is an ability to quickly get the ball downfield to these fast receivers before windows close IMO. Add the run element to help create even more space. Geno Smith would be ideal.
The Quarterback is not the university, and vice versa. The fact that Sanchez and Barkley went to the same school is of little relevance imo. It kind of reminds me of the Jeff Tedford thing, which Aaron Rogers disposed of. Barkley is his own player, and he doesn't have to be dragged down or elevated by any other player from his school. Carson Palmer was solid, Matt Leinart and Mark Sanchez not so much. That's how it goes.
I understand what you're saying but, WADR, you missed the meaning, which was clear in the analogy. You can't simply take this stuff out of context as if we're talking about 2 entirely different QBs. These two share a bunch of traits which alone should be enough to turn NY away. Factoring in the USC association should then be enough to elicit a gag reflex. It's only natural. That's why I said the toppings might be a little different but it still looks like a 12" pie. Please stop intentionally being a contrarian.
Barkley and Sanchez share enough in common that anyone who just made the mistake of drafting Mr. I-Should've-Been-In-a-Boyband should be turned off from Mr. I-Peaked-As-a-Senior-In-High-School.
I'm not being a contrarian. I just look at Barkley as being a far better game manager than Sanchez. Sanchez seems programmed to make mistakes that negatively effect the outcome of games time and time again. They're just not very similar imo. Sanchez has a stonger arm and Barkley has much better head for the game and is less prone to shoot himself in the foot, that's just how I look at it. I can't figure Sanchez out, he seems predisposed to failure and self defeat.
ps Charles Barkley just cracked me up on an ESPN Auburn/Alabama rivalry documentary, specifically regarding the chase to recruit Cam Newton. And I quote: "Alabama accusing Auburn of cheating is like Snookie accusing Hallie Berry of being ugly." Leave it to Sir Charles...
IMO most of the physical intangibles are quite similar. Same less than preferred size. Same frame. Similar athleticism. Similar mobility. Similar limited arm. Sanchez was more of a mental guy at USC who played smart and seemed to understood situational football <at least at the college level>. He was a good leader, played mature, played with poise, could carve up college level defenses, and seemed to be NFL ready in a similar to Barkley fashion. Basically, the reason Sanchez was drafted so high wasn't b/c of outstanding natural talent like a Tannehill, RG3, or Locker..... just as outstanding talent won't be the reason for Barkley being drafted high either. I agree entirely about the "game manager" aspect, but you can't visually see their brains per se, and it's not like Sanchez was a poor game manager in college. He was quite good at it if my memory serves me well. However, you can see the other stuff, the physical stuff, and IMO there's mentally enough of an association link created between the 2 players to where you watch Barkley and go "blehhh" after having already drafted Sanchez. After 4 years of Mark I wouldn't want anything remotely close to resembling him. JMO.
I still think Barkley is the best QB in the draft. And that KC should take him number one overall. JMO.
You Mysterious man you, I was touting Ckap to us when mostly everyone was telling me he was a bust, 3 rd 4 th round value. Yes I would take Ckap over Barkley.
