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QB for next year and/or future?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by FINintheMOON, Dec 27, 2007.

  1. FINintheMOON

    FINintheMOON Moderator Luxury Box

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    I have read many threads that have said many things about the different QBs that we currently have and the QBs available in the draft and the QBs that will be free agents... However, I have yet to see a discussion centered around the QB position as of yet. And when I say "CENTERED" I mean the position alone without all the talk about Tuna and Cam and Randy, etc...

    Let's discuss our QB situation and what prospects are out there that can fill the void for a year or 2 as a vet or the possibility of an immediate starter as a rookie draft pick...

    I lifted the below list from Disgustipate , a fellow VIPer… Thanks for the effort DIS… I hope you don’t mind…

    FA Quarterbacks
    Player - Team - FA Type
    Derek Anderson Cleveland RFA
    Mark Brunell Washington UFA*
    Todd Collins Washington UFA
    Daunte Culpepper Oakland UFA
    Ken Dorsey Cleveland UFA
    Ryan Fitzpatrick Cincinnati RFA
    Quinn Gray Jacksonville UFA
    Rex Grossman Chicago UFA
    Shaun Hill San Francisco UFA
    Cleo Lemon Miami UFA
    Jared Lorenzen New York Giants RFA
    Jamie Martin New Orleans UFA
    Josh McCown Oakland UFA
    Dan Orlovsky Detroit RFA
    J.T. O'Sullivan Detroit UFA
    Chris Redman Atlanta UFA
    Philip Rivers San Diego UFA*
    Jim Sorgi Indianapolis UFA
    Brian St. Pierre Pittsburgh UFA
    Marques Tuiasosopo New York Jets UFA

    QBs in the Draft
    1. Matt Ryan, Boston College
    2. Brian Brohm, Louisville
    3. Joe Flacco, Delaware
    4. Colt Brennan, Hawaii
    5. Andre' Woodson, Kentucky

    Now based on the above lists, what options do we have at securing a starter next year. How many of the guys above are starter quality? How many can be a starter in a year or 2 and what do we do in the mean time? Time for you all to step up and make your argument… Who in the list above will be starting, could be starting or challenge for a starting role on the FINS next year in your opinion?

    We currently have GREEN, LEMON and BECK… Who would be a good replacement for anyone of these guys? Look at what’s available and make your argument!
     
  2. mmikel30

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    just a name to throw out there....jake plummer
     
  3. #1dolphinsfan

    #1dolphinsfan New Member

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    You can throw Daunte Culpepper out of that Mix and for the Rookies i really like Colt Brennan and Andre' woodson if eather of those guys are aviable when its our 2b draft i say we should draft one of them
     
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  4. #1dolphinsfan

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    i think that Jake Plummer is a good QB if he is willing to come to miami and play for us i am willing to take him
     
  5. FINintheMOON

    FINintheMOON Moderator Luxury Box

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    We could always throw out the name BLEDSOE as well... But the point I am trying to make is that there is NO CLEAR CUT upgrade to what we have right now...
     
  6. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Vinny Testaverde and JT O'Sullivan.
     
  7. Nublar7

    Nublar7 Senior Member

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    Actually, the Miami Herald reported a few days ago that Parcells may be interested in bringing Culpepper back to the Fins.
     
  8. #1dolphinsfan

    #1dolphinsfan New Member

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    i dont want eater of those guys on the team i think it time for Vinny to Retire
     
  9. #1dolphinsfan

    #1dolphinsfan New Member

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    that sucks i dont think that he would be a good QB here
     
  10. #1dolphinsfan

    #1dolphinsfan New Member

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    He isnt going to be a FA he signed a 3 year contract or he would be a good QB to bring in and if cam is still here we have a shot at bringing in Philip Rivers but i hope we dont bring in Phillip
     
  11. Zeke0123

    Zeke0123 message board ******* Club Member

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    I dont see Billy Volek on that list...Is he not a FA ??
     
  12. #1dolphinsfan

    #1dolphinsfan New Member

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    Yea he is but i think he didnt put him on for a reason i hope we dont get Volek there are alot of FA that are Better then him
     
  13. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    From that list

    Mark Brunell Washington UFA* Parcells loves these types of dinosaurs
    Todd Collins Washington UFA Is on the radar for alot of teams after his recent success
    Josh McCown Oakland UFA Not due to his skillset but rather due to his toughness and grit
    Chris Redman Atlanta UFA Not sure if he's a Parcells type but perhaps a possibility
    Shaun Hill San Francisco UFA See above
    Jim Sorgi Indianapolis UFA Seemed to have a decent command of the Indy offense few times he played
    Drew Bledsoe dont think explanation is needed
    Chad Pennington - I dont see it but the Parcells connection is there
    Vinnie Testeverde - He just cant go another year right?

    1. Matt Ryan, Boston College - I think Parcells will love this guy if sees him down in Mobile
    2. Brian Brohm, Louisville - Nother ready to go QB. Injuries will be a concern but he throws a better deep ball than Ryan
    3. Joe Flacco, Delaware - Parcells type but will he draft a small school QB

    John Beck - His future will be determined by whether Parcells feels he is the type of leader other players will go through walls for

    Cleo Lemon - Unless Parcells thinks he is going to improve he will be let go

    Trent Green - Future might hinge on whether Cameron is retained. Parcells could be willing for Trent to be the vet on the squad
     
  14. Passrusher

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    Take Ken Dorsey off that list as he was re-signed to another contract by the Browns.
     
  15. FINintheMOON

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    So we have some additional info on QBs... But we have no argument as to why we should change what we have in place... I don't think that we can get any better than what we have currently...

    That is my argument and I wish to debate this..
     
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    Jared Lorenzen - New York Giants RFA looks pretty good for the "Hefty Lefty". He needs to drop some weight though. Just a thought...
     
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  17. FINintheMOON

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    Thanks ADAM... I appreciate your input and thoughts!!!:bighug: But do you see a worthy change?
     
  18. adamprez2003

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    Well all of the rookie QBs have a higher upside than Beck IMO. Trent Green might retire or Parcells may not want a QB with concussion problems. If that happens a vet will almost surely be brought in. Are they upgrades? Hard to say

    Replacing Cleo Lemon will be the wildcard. Do you go with a young vet or do you draft a rookie. My bet is rookie is the way to go and I stand by stance that Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco will get long and hard looks from Parcells. Will he pass on the defense he so desires to shore up to address the most important position? I think that all comes down to how he feels about Beck. 4 year contract almost guarantees a drafted quarterback this year due to the time it takes for them to get the hang of the game
     
  19. schmolioot

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    We just can't know about Beck yet. I also am not sold on either QB at the top but I haven't paid much attention yet. The only reason I could see BP drafting a QB is that his new regime has nothing invested in Beck and thus feels no loyalty, no reason to justify the pick, etc. Also, Beck was the 40th pick in the draft, not the first and therefore there is alot less invested in him monetarily which makes the idea of bringing in a young QB more palatable.

    We also know that Dallas had Quinn rated #7 overall in last year's draft so if Jeff Ireland comes in it is likely that he and BP will have viewed Mueller's picks as a mistake. Doens't mean they don't like Beck though.
     
  20. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Check out Boston College tomorrow at 5pm eastern if you get a chance and gauge for yourself. I always believe you have to see the guys in action rather than read about them. For Flacco you will have to wait until the Senior or Bowl I believe. Definitely make it a point to see the Senior Bowl this year. Our coaching staff may coach one of the sides. Ryan and Brohm will both play apparently
     
  21. FINintheMOON

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    Agreed... But I just don't see Beck starting next year... Granted, the kid has some talent and can be a very good QB. The mess that he was thrown into was bad on every level... I hope it hasn't scared him.

    There will be a compitetion for the QB spot next year without a doubt, but I believe that either Green or Lemon will be back in training camp next year. And for my money, I'd say that Green is our vet for next year...

    He has much to offer to a rising QB and I don't see a vet out there that could unseat him... As far as a draft pick, I think we will draft another QB... It is a toss up between Brohm and Flacco though...
     
  22. #1dolphinsfan

    #1dolphinsfan New Member

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    He signed a 3 year contract extion
     
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    I wouldn't mind seeing Josh McCown or Trent Green back.
     
  24. #1dolphinsfan

    #1dolphinsfan New Member

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    yea that could be ok
     
  25. adamprez2003

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    I have Green as the slight favorite to return and if he does I actually see him starting next season, at least at the beginning of the season. I think Beck's learning curve is going to be longer than we had hoped. I do think that if Green flounders or is hurt Beck will be given the reigns. I agree that we draft a QB. I think Flacco and Brohm are definite possibilities, obviously Ryan also, and possibly some other late round picks. I dont think Brennan has a shot of being drafted by Parcells with a 2nd rounder. Woodson probably not either. Maybe Henne or Ainge though I dont like either of those picks. I would rather go Morelli or Johnson with a 2nd day pick but I dont know if Parcells likes those types.

    So I think you're right that if you only look at next year we wont be improved at QB unless Beck makes dramatic improvement. But I do think we'll have one more piece added that may pay dividends in 2009
     
  26. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Guess Dungy feels the same way
     
  27. FINintheMOON

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    While your argument is good and well stated... You are missing the point to the thread... What QB on our team are you going to replace in order to have a starter next year?
     
  28. #1dolphinsfan

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    yea i wanted him on miami to because he has to learn something form payton
     
  29. morrism35

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    Great post, I get your point. We just don't know about Beck. Rookie qb on bad team is always going to be a disaster. And on your list all of those Qb's are either past their prime, just as unproven as Beck or Qb's that had their chances at success and are looked at as clear 2nd teamers. Rookies on the list, well you know about rookie qb's years to develop if they develop at all. There are know clear cut can't miss qb's this year in the draft. Myself I'm tired of the qb carasoul every year. And if you look around the league there is a minority of teams that you can say have proven years to come championship caliber qb's.That's why Derek Anderson may have to be my guy. He's young threw 30 td's. He's the most proven of any other qb in the draft or fa. I don't know if I want to take the chance of another bad year of qbacking. Yes we do have a lot of needs but we have to start somewhere. I don't know the answer to these questions. In Parcells I must trust!!!!
     
  30. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Yup and I am hoping to sign Matt Cassell in 2009 when he's a free agent. In preseason games he looked pretty good to me, though not this year for some reason. Regardless of his talent I think he would be unbelievably valuable to us as we gear up in 2009 to battle those Pasties from Chowdertown
     
  31. FINintheMOON

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    Agreed (In BOLD)... I also agree with the fact that Green will start the season... I really can't see any other VET QB here based on what is available...
     
  32. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Agreed with the one exception we trade for one which i dont think happens
     
  33. FINintheMOON

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    I really appreciate your input and response to the thread bro!!!:bighug: You have brought up several good points to, not only support your argument, but to offer a solution as well!!! :thumbup::thumbup: IF there was a candidate to replace our starting vet, I would agree with you on Anderson! However, I am just mot sure how we can get that guy... Any ideas???

    BTW... GREAT POST BRO!!!:thumbup:
     
  34. FINintheMOON

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    Let's keep the focus on next year and the point of the thread... Who are we going to replace GREEN, LEMON and BECK with? Or can we?:wave:
     
  35. FINintheMOON

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    And what are your thoughts for a trade bro???
     
  36. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    None. I dont want McNabb or Anderson and I dont think any of them is coming here
     
  37. adamprez2003

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    Aw cmon, I have a cant miss prospect for the 2016 draft that I was going to go on about:ffic:
     
  38. FINintheMOON

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    :bighug::ffic: I love ya man!!! BUT you must stay on topic!!!:hi5:
     
  39. calfinfan

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    If Cam stays I like Todd Collins and Phillip Rivers. Todd Collins could be our starter until Beck is ready or backup to Phillip Rivers. Collins knows the style offense and is better fundamentally than Lemon. Phillip Rivers would mean we move on past Beck.

    Keep one thing in mind Trent Green May not retire. If he doesn't Collins would still be nice backup in case Beck isn't ready to play in case of injury.

    Either way I don't feel we should draft a QB with the 1st pick. I like an LT (Jake Long) or DT (Dorsey).
     
  40. MelbournePhin

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    philip rivers is unrestricted?
     

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