QB Coach Hired - Looks like we're in on Tua
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Galantforum_veteranOPCharlie Frye
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Galantforum_veteranLet's hope!
"Although we are capable of great acts of kindness, history teaches us that we sometimes need saving from ourselves – from our recklessness or our greed. God sent into the world a unique person – neither a philosopher nor a general, important though they are, but a Saviour, with the power to forgive... It is my prayer that on this Christmas day we might all find room in our lives for the message of the angels and for the love of God through Christ our Lord." (Christmas message, 2011)
Rick 1966forum_veteran
Tin Indianforum_veteranNever any doubt they were staying with Tua. Sorry guys you don't give up on a QB like Tua after only a handful of games and no real training camp. He may not have lit the world on fire but he wasn't Josh Rosen either.
Not My Circus, Not My Monkeys.
Rick 1966forum_veteran"Tin Indian wrote:
Never any doubt they were staying with Tua. Sorry guys you don't give up on a QB like Tua after only a handful of games and no real training camp. He may not have lit the world on fire but he wasn't Josh Rosen either.
He was on a much better team than Josh Rosen, with a better coach. But yeah, Josh Rosen was a reach where he was picked, too.
"Rick 1966 wrote:
He was on a much better team than Josh Rosen, with a better coach. But yeah, Josh Rosen was a reach where he was picked, too.
Let's not compare Tua to Rosen. Rosen was a bust of epic proportions, at least statistically.
Lots of QB's have been on bad teams with bad coaches, but no one managed what Rosen did: he's the only QB drafted since 1978 in the database I have (which is missing maybe only a few QB's since that time) whose first 16 games starting were ALL below average statistically. That is so rare it had never happened until Rosen.
Tua at least had 4 out of 9 games starting that were above league average passer rating. Tua is definitely not a Rosen.
KeyFinforum_veteran"cbrad wrote:
Let's not compare Tua to Rosen. Rosen was a bust of epic proportions, at least statistically.
Lots of QB's have been on bad teams with bad coaches, but no one managed what Rosen did: he's the only QB drafted since 1978 in the database I have (which is missing maybe only a few QB's since that time) whose first 16 games starting were ALL below average statistically. That is so rare it had never happened until Rosen.
Tua at least had 4 out of 9 games starting that were above league average passer rating. Tua is definitely not a Rosen.
I still think you're wrong about Rosen- we'll see a few years from now. While your stat is indeed correct, he played for two historically bad teams as well. Time will tell, but I still think Rosen will develop into a pretty good QB if he doesn't wash out first.
Winning football games at any level comes down to winning in the trenches.
Strikingforum_veteranDid Tua request Frye? That would mean more to me given the constant coaching turnover under Flores.
Dolphins can have a stacked young team after this draft. Tua does poorly it means we draft a QB early in 2022 draft.
Rick 1966forum_veteran"Striking wrote:
Did Tua request Frye? That would mean more to me given the constant coaching turnover under Flores.
Dolphins can have a stacked young team after this draft. Tua does poorly it means we draft a QB early in 2022 draft.
In a QB-poor 2022 draft where we have a much lower pick. Bad plan.
Strikingforum_veteran"Rick 1966 wrote:
In a QB-poor 2022 draft where we have a much lower pick. Bad plan.
Only for those that assume Tua will never be an above average qb.
Rick 1966forum_veteran"Striking wrote:
Only for those that assume Tua will never be an above average qb.
It's not an assumption, it's a judgment based on what we've seen so far.
texanphinaticforum_veteran"Rick 1966 wrote:
It's not an assumption, it's a judgment based on what we've seen so far.
Your assumption is that he will not improve. You can base it on your judgement of what you have seen, but it's an assumption.
Rick 1966forum_veteran"texanphinatic wrote:
Your assumption is that he will not improve. You can base it on your judgement of what you have seen, but it's an assumption.
No, it's a judgment of his physical tools. He's not going to get taller, nor will his frame support a lot more muscle without losing mobility.
Tin Indianforum_veteran"Rick 1966 wrote:
He was on a much better team than Josh Rosen, with a better coach. But yeah, Josh Rosen was a reach where he was picked, too.
All true.
Not My Circus, Not My Monkeys.
Tin Indianforum_veteran"Rick 1966 wrote:
It's not an assumption, it's a judgment based on what we've seen so far.
I think it's far too soon to make a judgement either way on Tua.
Not My Circus, Not My Monkeys.
I don't think there's any real reason to believe the Dolphins are looking at other QBs.
People look at the big-arm guys having success this year (Herbert, Allen, Mahomes) and they pair that with Miami having the #3 pick and now players like Watson, Rodgers and Stafford suggesting they may want out and they make up narratives.
Fact is, the Dolphins like Tua. He's a great talent and will get his 2nd year to show what he can do. Better question is who the Dolphins end up selecting as OC.
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