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PS3 and lower tv capability

Discussion in 'Gaming Forum' started by finsincebirth, Nov 23, 2009.

  1. finsincebirth

    finsincebirth Well-Known Member

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    So right now I have a little TV that I think is 720p and has 1080i on it as well. My question is this; I'm thinking about buying a PS3 and I really don't want to buy a new TV right now (in the future yes, but not right now), is it even worth hooking up the PS3 to this TV? Does it down scale to these resolutions? I read that it only downscaled to 480p but that was three years ago. Have they fixed this? Also does the PS3 come with connectors besides the HDMI, like the component cables? Finally I know to truly take in the blu ray experience you need 1080p, but does blu ray only run in 1080p? Will it downscale? And if so does it look good?
     
  2. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Most games are rendered in 720p (at least multi-plats), so I am unsure why you think there would be a problem with your tv.
     
  3. finsincebirth

    finsincebirth Well-Known Member

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    http://ps3.ign.com/articles/746/746282p1.html

    Like I said that was three years ago. While I'm not a techno ****** the whole resolution thing always confuses me. Basically I just want to make sure if I buy a ps3 I'm not wasting my money without having a top of the line tv. Also does it come w/ component cables or only hdmi, because I don't have an hdmi port.
     
  4. sking29

    sking29 What it takes to be cool

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    Well they don't come with a HDMI cable but you can pick one up cheap. They should however come with Component cables.

    I have a 2007 720p/1080i 19" LCD HDTV that I game on and it works great for me. It works in both 720p and 1080i. Now if you have a small TV don't worry about the whole 1080p stuff. You can only really notice 1080p on large screens (I've heard 50" or bigger). So you can get the full HD experience on a smaller TV and really you wouldn't even notice a difference between your 720p and a 1080p display unless you were extremely picky.

    Personally your TV should be ready (like 99.9% ready) but do you mind posting the Make and Model of it so we could check and see the resolutions it runs at? You could check on google yourself if you wish.

    If your TV says its an HDTV it should work.
     
  5. finsincebirth

    finsincebirth Well-Known Member

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    I was looking at purchasing a new 1080p tv in 37 or 32 inches but then remembered that, and thought "what's the point?". I'll post the tv and specs when I get home tomorrow, but I'm 99% sure it's an hdtv. I has component video inputs and I've run my xbox 36o in 720p and 1080i. 1080i looked good but I remember it made the screen a bit smaller. How does blue ray look?
     
  6. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Not true, it is relative to how close/far you sit to your TV as to whether you will notice or not.

    You could have a 50" set but if you sit too far away you won't recognize a difference between 720p and 1080p.

    What you said is no more true than people who still say current plasma TVs are extremely susceptible to burn in, or that all DLPs weigh a ton and take up a lot of room.
     
  7. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    You said your TV does 720p, based on what you quoted I still don't understand why you would think your TV won't work properly.

    The TVs that have problems are the ones that ONLY did 480i/p and 1080i (which were pretty much the very first HD sets).

    Since yours does 720p, you're in the clear.
     
  8. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    There is no "e."

    Blu-rays look ok in 720p typically, but obviously they are not performing at their optimal quality in those instances. And to "truly take in the blu-ray experience" you would need a 1080p set and a sound system (7.1 in some instances) that could handle LPCM and/or the HD audio codecs.
     
  9. finsincebirth

    finsincebirth Well-Known Member

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    Now I've had best buy associates tell me the same thing only last year. So let me ask you this is it worth getting a 32 or 37 inch tv in 1080p?
     
  10. finsincebirth

    finsincebirth Well-Known Member

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    Not that I don't think it will work properly, just want to make sure man. It's a big investment and I just want to make sure I don't waste my money.
     
  11. finsincebirth

    finsincebirth Well-Known Member

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    I understand it's not optimum performance, but as long as it doesn't look like crap.
     
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  13. finsincebirth

    finsincebirth Well-Known Member

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    Well I just looked up the specs of the T.V. and found out it is 480p, but surprised me because I always remember playing in 720 and 1080i. It must have been the x-box upscaling.

    Digital TV Standard: EDTV-Ready - Requires separate receiver to view EDTV signals.
    Broadcast Format Displayed: 480p (EDTV) · 480i (SDTV)
    Broadcast Format Supported: 480p (EDTV)
    Built-in Tuner: NTSC
    Native Aspect Ratio: 4:3
    Aspect Ratio: Standard (4:3)
     
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    finsincebirth Well-Known Member

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  15. sking29

    sking29 What it takes to be cool

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    Well I essentially said you can't tell a difference between 1080p and 720p unless its under the right conditions (tvs of a certain size). So I guess my info. was outdated based on screen size itself when its actually screen size in relation to where you sit...still comes down to the same basic thing (no huge difference and it wouldn't warrant buying a new tv just to see Blu-Rays in 1080p he'd still be fine in 720p).

    For the xbox to be running in 720p I would think it was 720p capable. Like my 360 won't run in 1080p so if yours wasn't capable of 720p you wouldn't think it could run in it....that's really weird.
     
  16. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    I'm pretty confident (like 99.9% sure) EDTVs can not do 720p, so your 360 or TV was lying to you I would think.
     
  17. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    He may be fine with 720p, but you can't say "no huge difference." It does vary from person to person. Plenty of people out there can tell the difference. If people couldn't tell the difference they wouldn't even have both resolutions.
     
  18. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    It's only $55.56 a month! :lol:
     
  19. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    They will look fine in 720p, there are 720p TVs that look better than some 1080p sets, simply because the components of the 720p set are significantly better than those of those particular 1080p's. At the very least this is true out of the box.

    In order to have anything look the best, I would opt for a professional ISF calibration.
     
  20. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    To me it is worth it, but to you it might not be. My first HDTV was a 42" for like $700 that was limited up to 720p/1080i. Did I at any point regret the purchase because it was 1080p? No. I simply upgraded to a better TV when it was within my means, as screen size (bang for the buck) at the time was more important to me than resolution. I still use the TV as my 2nd TV and have no complaints, because I usually only watch TV on it, and most TV shows aren't in 1080p anyways.

    I honestly would say try and get a solid 40" (or so) that only does 720p/1080i, as I am sure you could find one for a similar price of a 32" or 37" that does 1080p.
     
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  22. finsincebirth

    finsincebirth Well-Known Member

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    I just hooked my 360 pack up to the tv (it was in the living room on another tv) and went through system settings where it gives you options for 480p 720p 1080i and 1080p. Cycled through and tried every option and it game up with a screen for 480, 720 and 1080i and on 1080 p it was just black and didn't work (obviously). So I take it the 360 is lying?
     
  23. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    You said the native aspect ratio was 4:3, does your TV display 16:9 at all?

    I mean it sure seems like your TV is downscaling to 480p. 1280x720 is the resolution for 720p, and EDTVs are limited to 852x480 (which is 16:9, widescreen) but I would bet most often display 640x480 (4:3 aspect ratio) as far as I know.
     
  24. finsincebirth

    finsincebirth Well-Known Member

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    How can I tell?
     
  25. sking29

    sking29 What it takes to be cool

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    Come on man are we going to argue over the difference between 720p and 1080p like being the difference between SD and HD. Its nowhere near as drastic...I understand 1080p is sometimes better but not a world of difference like jumping for SD to HD. :wink2:
     
  26. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Manual.

    Is your tv considerably wider than it is tall?

    Are any parts of the screen cut off when you switch the 360 to 720p, are there black bars at the top and bottom of the screen, or does the image appear to be "smushed" onto the screen?
     
  27. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    While to many people there may be not as big a difference between 480p to 720p, there is still a very considerable difference between 1080p and 720p. In both instances you are more than doubling the available pixels on the screen.

    And 1080p is "sometimes better?" :confused2:
     
  28. sking29

    sking29 What it takes to be cool

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    Well even you said a 720p set configured right can be comparable to 1080p.

    Its all personal preference really and to me I just don't see it. So it would probably be best for him to shop for TVs and see if his eyes can tell a difference and go with that.
     
  29. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Yes, because many TVs out of the box (and even when calibrated) can't generate as deep of blacks, as white of whites, or as accurate a color palate as other TVs. So the image might look better on one TV than another, but you are still not seeing as much as you would on a 1080p set.

    A 1080p image on a TV will always look better than a 720p image on the same TV (assuming it can handle those resolutions).
     
  30. sking29

    sking29 What it takes to be cool

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    Well I agree 1080p if properly calibrated can look better and should look better based on the actual specs. However like I said it comes down to individual eyes and from my experience my little 19" 720p looks just as good running 360 games as does a friend of mine's 1080p 42" tv playing the same games (yes I am a nerd and have compared the same games). It could be calibration true but for the common person out of the box is what you get. Like I said I agree 1080p can look better but to me it doesn't and from others I know it doesn't. So it would be best for Finfan to probably go TV shopping and test for himself then he'll know. :up:
     
  31. finsincebirth

    finsincebirth Well-Known Member

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    So I tested the settings again, and I would have SWORN it went into 720p earlier but I must have been wrong because it won't now. However it does go into 1080i and when it does stuff is smushed a bit because it automatically goes into widescreen. So I guess that answers the great question.
     
  32. BigDogsHunt

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    1080i vs. 1080p????
     
  33. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Yes, it sounds like the problem you were worried about 480i/480p, 1080i TVs (that you quoted before) is a serious threat if you got a PS3. There is no fix despite the issue being know pretty much immediately at the PS3's release.

    I would not let that stop you from getting a PS3, however I think it would be prudent to buy a new TV as well if you want to maximize your investments.
     
  34. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    I = Interlaced
    P = Progressive Scan
     
  35. finsincebirth

    finsincebirth Well-Known Member

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    I think I may get it anyway, and like I said earlier I do want to get a new TV at a later date. Maybe Santa will be nice :pointlol:. I think I was mostly worried that if I get the ps3 before the TV I don't want it to look like absolute dog ****. I'm on a college budget so it doesn't have to be absolutely crazy beautiful and best of the best, I just don't want to be playing a game and thinking wow why did I waste my money.

    Also I would say that video quality is on my list of reasons to have, but not my only one. Things like:

    Some really nice games starting to come out (and some exclusives that I want)
    PSN that doesn't charge you to game online a plus vs. x-box live and since I was banned from it anyway it'll replace my online gaming fix
    Blu-ray player that I will be able to capitalize on once i get the nice tv.
     
  36. sking29

    sking29 What it takes to be cool

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    Oh and if you're getting a PS3 be sure to take advantage of the Wal-Mart or Best Buy PS3 Black Friday deals. Both are great deals.
     
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    Yes but is it really worth it on a 32 or 37 inch tv?
     
  39. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    That's not something I can decide for you. As I said, I initially opted for a larger 720p TV and had no regrets.
     
  40. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    so P is better than I, and the higher the number the better the system?

    480 is not as good as 720; and 1080 is highest (or best)
     

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