Post draft roster w/ UDFAs

"Trowa wrote:

It's not really a depth chart. Incognito was listed as a center because that's the position he's listed at on miamidolphins.com. Surely he will end up in one of the guard roles barring a great showing by Jerry or Garner so it doesn't really matter what position he's listed at.

That seems odd, but they do. Their roster is not totally up to date. They added the draft picks but guys like Pouncey are still listed as rookies too.
Also, Westerman is listed as a OLB, which he is, and should be listed there.

"padre31 wrote:

I'd guess:

RT: Murtha/Martin
RG: Hicks//Jerry/Garner
C:Pouncey/Cook
LG: Richie I/Jerry?
LT:Long/Jerry

Have to wonder what their plans are for Murtha/Garner?

maybe this will happen:

Long-Garner/Iconito-Pouncey-Incognito/Jerry-Martin/Murtha

offensive line look strong, flexible & overall very good to me.

"padre31 wrote:

I'd guess:

RT: Murtha/Martin
RG: Hicks//Jerry/Garner
C:Pouncey/Cook
LG: Richie I/Jerry?
LT:Long/Jerry

Have to wonder what their plans are for Murtha/Garner?

I think the RT job is Martin's to lose. Otherwise I agree.

Plans for Murtha and Garner is that the OL needs 3-4 good reserves. As it stands now, both of them and Jerry would supply the depth.

Long/Incognito/Pouncey/Hicks/Martin

Does anyone now off hand if the Packers carried five or six WRs on their roster?

"Trowa wrote:

Does anyone now off hand if the Packers carried five or six WRs on their roster?

According to PFF, only 5 WRs took snaps for the Packers each of the last 2 seasons. They carry 4 TEs too though.

"MrClean wrote:

According to PFF, only 5 WRs took snaps for the Packers each of the last 2 seasons. They carry 4 TEs too though.

Do we have 4 TEs worth keeping? I was thinking we would only keep two (Fasano and Egnew) while keeping Clay to play that H-Back TE/FB hybrid role.

"MrClean wrote:

According to PFF, only 5 WRs took snaps for the Packers each of the last 2 seasons. They carry 4 TEs too though.

Yes, but their TEs as a group are much much better.

"Trowa wrote:

Do we have 4 TEs worth keeping? I was thinking we would only keep two (Fasano and Egnew) while keeping Clay to play that H-Back TE/FB hybrid role.

We do not have a true pure FB on the roster, though we did bring in Ahmard Hall formerly of the Titans, for a visit a few weeks ago. Unless we signed him or someone like him, I'd say Clay is kept as a FB. Mastrud is a good blocker. We really have no idea yet if Yeatman or Les Brown will be worth keeping.

"MrClean wrote:

I think the RT job is Martin's to lose. Otherwise I agree.

Plans for Murtha and Garner is that the OL needs 3-4 good reserves. As it stands now, both of them and Jerry would supply the depth.

Long/Incognito/Pouncey/Hicks/Martin

you worried about Martins weakness to inside rush moves?

"djphinfan wrote:

you worried about Martins weakness to inside rush moves?

Nope. Remember, last season their left guard was a freshman. That could account for some of his perceived weaknesses. Actually I have not noticed any such limitation more than the usual OT in this regard. I think as a rookie, Martin would be benefited a lot playing next to grizzled savvy veteran like Artis Hicks, who is well schooled and fairly proficient in a zone blocking scheme.

I read somewhere that Jeff Fuller has been told my some to convert to tight end. Maybe he could make the roster as a pass-catching tight end? Just a thought.

i think it soundslike we are going to have a better oline but our wr s wont scare anyone though. i hope they carry three tightends and 4 wrs with a 5th one onthe practice squad.

i am half way excited about our runningbacks but i have no faith in the qbs and wrs until i see them dancing in the endzone but not every wr can excite me like Lamar Thomas and Oj McDuffie

"Aquafin wrote:

i think it soundslike we are going to have a better oline but our wr s wont scare anyone though. i hope they carry three tightends and 4 wrs with a 5th one onthe practice squad.

i am half way excited about our runningbacks but i have no faith in the qbs and wrs until i see them dancing in the endzone but not every wr can excite me like Lamar Thomas and Oj McDuffie

Wait, you were excited by Lamar Thomas, but you don't think any of the WRs currently on our roster are exciting? Ok.

Give me Hartline over Lamar Thomas any day.

The thing about Philbin's offensive system is that there are tons of formation and personnel sets. As a general rule you need two more players on the final roster for each position than you will regularly use. Given what I've seen of Philbin's offense in GB, that means five TEs, five backs, and seven WR as offensive weapons. Fortunately you can monkey with the numbers a little by having guys who can play multiple positions, so guys like Clay can be counted as both a TE and a back.

"Stitches wrote:

Wait, you were excited by Lamar Thomas, but you don't think any of the WRs currently on our roster are exciting? Ok.

Give me Hartline over Lamar Thomas any day.

Yah only recent WR's that excited me was O.J., Early days Chris Chambers before the Denver head shot and those O.G. one handed grabs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa3iU1fOffY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3Z3jrQs73U

"Nappy Roots wrote:

Richie was terrible in 2010 and pretty much his whole career. And Im sorry the guy had a thumb injury. But hes a guard. In the heart of the trenches. A thumb injury should not matter. Richie is a tough SOB, hes just not a good starter, dont give me no thumb crap.

Incognito was ranked 14th in run blocking guards, 16th in pass blocking guards, this was out of all 64 starting NFL guards. Bush averaged over 10 yards per carry in 2011 running thru Incognitos hole. All well documented and you say he is terrible ? That was playing inbetween a rookie and a LT that never fully recovered from pre season surgery and eventually was put on IR and oh , also no right side of an offensive line to get any help. And again, this is terrible ? LOL, man, you do not know how it really all works do you ? Add to that he put on the extra weight Tuna wanted in 2010 and Sparano wanted in 2011. He has since taken it off under the new regime. Lets face it, last year we could have played with cardboard figures of a RG and RT and not done much worse then we did. Carey and Columbo were not effective in many many maaaaany games at all.

We essentially played with no right side of an oline for two years now. I hear Jerry went the other way. Instead of losing weight the kid is now 360 plus on the scales, not good.

"Trowa wrote:

It's not really a depth chart. Incognito was listed as a center because that's the position he's listed at on miamidolphins.com. Surely he will end up in one of the guard roles barring a great showing by Jerry or Garner so it doesn't really matter what position he's listed at.

They should have put Incognito at center from day one and Pouncey at G.

"Trowa wrote:

Getting an extension done for Wake should be this organizations #1 priority now that the draft is over. The guy is criminally underpaid. I think Jake Long and Randy Starks will probably have to wait till next off-season to get their deals done.

As for the Lamar Miller pick, I think that the jumping to conclusions of a lot of people that it means Reggie is gonna be out or it means that this coaching staff doesn't like Thomas is very premature. Lamar Miller was a guy that reportedly some GMs had a 2nd round grade on. He was a value pick in the 4th round even if we had to move up for him. Yes, if Miller shines it could spell the end of another RB in Miami but that's only a good thing and it doesn't mean we took him with the intention of showing someone else the door.

Sometimes, a player just falls through the cracks, and has too much value to pass up regardless of current depth at the position. After day 2, and before day 3 began, a friend and I were talking about who was left. The two names that stuck out like a sore thumb were Lamar Miller and Bobby Massie. Both graded between 25 and 35 overall before the draft. We were asking one another, would Miami take Miller? We don't need a RB all that much, but knowing Ireland is so value driven, we both agreed Miller was a likely option if he fell to us. Ireland made sure he got him by moving up to the 2nd pick in round 4.
You never know what's going to happen at a position health wise either. One of the backs could get hurt in camp and had we not taken Miller, all the sudden our depth looks rather sparse.

"mommabilly wrote:

Incognito was ranked 14th in run blocking guards, 16th in pass blocking guards, this was out of all 64 starting NFL guards. Bush averaged over 10 yards per carry in 2011 running thru Incognitos hole. All well documented and you say he is terrible ? That was playing inbetween a rookie and a LT that never fully recovered from pre season surgery and eventually was put on IR and oh , also no right side of an offensive line to get any help. And again, this is terrible ? LOL, man, you do not know how it really all works do you ? Add to that he put on the extra weight Tuna wanted in 2010 and Sparano wanted in 2011. He has since taken it off under the new regime. Lets face it, last year we could have played with cardboard figures of a RG and RT and not done much worse then we did. Carey and Columbo were not effective in many many maaaaany games at all.

We essentially played with no right side of an oline for two years now. I hear Jerry went the other way. Instead of losing weight the kid is now 360 plus on the scales, not good.

Were you the guy who recently brought up how well Richie played in Paul Boudreau's zone blocking scheme in St Louis a few years ago? The same type of blocking scheme we're now going to employ?
Casual observers seem to pigeon hole Richie as a phone booth mauler. I do not know what they are watching but nothing could be further from the truth. When he was 300 lbs coming out of college, the dude ran a 4.84 forty at the combine for gawd sake. That was on the old slower combine running surface before the move to Lucas Oil Stadium too.

"MrClean wrote:

Were you the guy who recently brought up how well Richie played in Paul Boudreau's zone blocking scheme in St Louis a few years ago? The same type of blocking scheme we're now going to employ?
Casual observers seem to pigeon hole Richie as a phone booth mauler. I do not know what they are watching but nothing could be further from the truth. When he was 300 lbs coming out of college, the dude ran a 4.84 forty at the combine for gawd sake. That was on the old slower combine running surface before the move to Lucas Oil Stadium too.

Yeah that was me. My wife is a born and bred Nebraska addict so we have the College game plan also. I grew up in Jersey so I am/was a big Penn State fan. I follow the kids after drafted and Incognito was an interesting one. He ran that at the combine on the old crap surface at Indy ? Wow. If memory serves me right he even ran that after popping his knee out on that surface during a drill correct ?

Not to drag it on but yes, I mentioned Boudreau and when he played for the Rams as being from the midwest, wife is also a Rams fan. Year you are talking about is 2006. Rams lost their starting center first game of the year, moved Incognito over to center. They then lost Orlando Pace the third game and then their starting RG halfway thru the season. Even with a patched up Oline, Jackson had his best season as a pro, running in Boudreaus zone blocking scheme. Boudreau also made Atlanta pretty dame good with the same scheme. He is now back at St. Louis and I expect him to do nothing less then improve their Oline 3million per cent.

All you cane fans remember Brett Romberg ? Kid plays on 3 NC teams, wins the Rimmington award for best college center then goes undrafted. You never know what teams think of these players or why they think of it. Romberg was on the PS at Jacksonville, then went to the Rams and was Incognitos backup at center, then went to the Falcons as a backup. I was just commenting on how kids do great in college, win national awards but when the draft comes they fall like rocks for reasons none of us know of, just like Romberg did. Best college center in the nation and goes undrafted. Go figure.

Sorry to ramble but Boudreau had Incognito playing around 310-315 lbs I expect him to be that way when camp is finished. People forget, these guys only do what they are asked to do. When he came to Miami they asked him to put on weight, he did, now they will ask him to trim down and he will.

"Trowa wrote:

Compiled this for some of my own research, figured others might find it helpful.

QB: Matt Moore, David Garrard, Ryan Tannehill, Pat Devlin
RB: Reggie Bush, Daniel Thomas, Lamar Miller, Steve Slaton, Marcus Thigpen, Jerome Messam, Richard Medlin, Jonas Gray
FB: Charles Clay
WR: Brian Hartline, Legedu Naanee, Davone Bess, Clyde Gates, Roberto Wallace, Marlon Moore, B.J. Cunningham, Rishard Matthews, Chris Hogan, Julius Pruitt, Derek Moye, Jeff Fuller
TE: Anthony Fasano, Jeron Mastrud, Michael Egnew, Will Yeatman, Les Brown
T: Jake Long, Jonathan Martin, Lydon Murtha, Will Barker, Nate Garner, Artis Hicks, Dustin Waldron
G: Ray Feinga, John Jerry, Ryan Cook, Derrick Dennis, Josh Samuda
C: Mike Pouncey, Richie Incognito, Terence Brown

DT: Paul Soliai, Randy Starks, Tony McDaniel, Isaako Aaitui, Ryan Baker, Chas Alecxih
DE: Cameron Wake, Jared Odrick, Olivier Vernon, Kheeston Randall, Johnathan Freeny, Jacquies Smith, Derrick Shelby, Jarrett Root
MLB: Karlos Dansby, Jamaal Westerman, Austin Spitler, Cameron Collins
OLB: Koa Misi, Kevin Burnett, Gary Guyton, Josh Kaddu, Jason Trusnik, Shelly Lyons
CB: Vontae Davis, Sean Smith, Richard Marshall, Nolan Carroll, Quinten Lawrence, Jonathan Wade, Vince Agnew, Marcus Brown
S: Reshad Jones, Tyrell Johnson, Chris Clemons, Jimmy Wilson, Tyrone Culver, Anderson Russell, Kelcie McCray, Albert Evans

K: Dan Carpenter
P: Brandon Fields

So...is it too early to start talking about position battles?

Edit: It's worth noting we're currently at 87 players giving us 3 open roster slots.

Sorry but I dont think you know what you are doing.

Did you follow the team at all last year?

Richie incognito is not a center and has never been a center. So, why do you have him as a #2 center? Cook is our #2 center and you have him at guard. Your reasons? Richie is our starting guard and has been. So i have no idea why you would put him at a backup center.

"HahaWOW wrote:

Sorry but I dont think you know what you are doing.

Did you follow the team at all last year?

Richie incognito is not a center and has never been a center. So, why do you have him as a #2 center? Cook is our #2 center and you have him at guard. Your reasons? Richie is our starting guard and has been. So i have no idea why you would put him at a backup center.

Incognito has played center since college. He also played 3 positions for St. Louis, one of them being C. Having Incognito penciled in as backup C isn't a bad thing. Do you know what you are doing?

"Laces Out wrote:

Incognito has played center since college. He also played 3 positions for St. Louis, one of them being C. Having Incognito penciled in as backup C isn't a bad thing. Do you know what you are doing?

Ya i know exactly what I am doing. Richie may be a back up center but he is a starting guard and will be a starting guard for us next season.

"HahaWOW wrote:

Sorry but I dont think you know what you are doing.

Did you follow the team at all last year?

Richie incognito is not a center and has never been a center. So, why do you have him as a #2 center? Cook is our #2 center and you have him at guard. Your reasons? Richie is our starting guard and has been. So i have no idea why you would put him at a backup center.

Did you read the entire thread? The reasoning behind putting him with the centers was given.
Apparently you do not know what you are talking about, because Incognito has definitely played center. He played it part of the time in St Louis and he played it for Miami twice in the 2010 season. He started and played the entire game at center vs Chicago and Detroit.

Before you come on here and start off insulting people, you are better off knowing what you are talking about.
BTW, the reason Trowa listed him as a center was because on the official team site roster, they currently have his position as Center. Simple as that.

"HahaWOW wrote:

Ya i know exactly what I am doing. Richie may be a back up center but he is a starting guard and will be a starting guard for us next season.

Not to interfere ( sp ) but I think what everyone is trying to say is, IF our starting center which is now Pouncey, gets hurt, Incognito would slide over and be the center. A lot of teams do it that way. Hey, if the kid can play LG, RG and C thats a good thing. Less players have to be dressed on game day. Some teams the center can only play that position, guards can only play guards and so forth. When you have players that can play 3 out of the 5 spots on the Oline ? Thats a good thing. Sorry to interrupt here.