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Possible early return for Jordan

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by cuchulainn, Sep 5, 2014.

  1. Two Tacos

    Two Tacos Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The NFL is not like other businesses. For example they have a college draft, they've been given special dispensation.
     
  2. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    You mean we can return him? :pointlol:
     
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  3. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Can overcomplicate this if you want but essentially we've had de facto public confirmation that Dion Jordan tested positive for amphetamines, just like Orlando Scandrick and Wes Welker, which will now go on the drug policy because the way you test positive for amphetamines is by taking drugs that are tainted with them such as molly.

    Jordan's story had been that he took supplements that were tainted. That story is pure BS.

    On the other hand, I will say that if Reshad Jones is not covered right along side Jordan, then he deserves a break. I had previously been told under confidence that both of them did the same thing but that may not be true after all.
     
  4. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    There is a problem with supplements being tainted with amphetamines. It is a very unregulated industry.
     
  5. ElNino

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    Hell we dont know that these guys arent doing crystal meth however unlikely, or aderall (generic name: mixed amphetamine). When i hear a guy gets popped for amphetamine, i dont go straight to MDMA or GNC supplements, although it is a possibility. Its just as possible they were doing actual speed (meth, aderall, etc...), which could give an edge.
     
  6. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Club Member

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    Where did you read that Jordan said his supplements had been tainted? The only thing I saw was:

     
  7. finfansince72

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    http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/09/12/cleveland-browns-josh-gordon-suspension-drug-policy

    "Gordon, 23, was suspended for the entire 2014 season for a repeat violation of the NFL's substance abuse policy after a failed a drug test earlier this year. He appealed the suspension, but it was upheld by the NFL in late August.


    The new drug policy will reportedly immediately reinstate several players whose positive tests arose as a result of stricter measures under the old policy, including Denver Broncos wide receiver Wes Welker, Dallas Cowboys cornerback Orlando Scandrick and Miami Dolphins defensive end Dion Jordan, among others."

    Could be good news.
     
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  8. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

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    Report: #Browns WR Josh Gordon To Be Suspended 10 Games http://ow.ly/3qBr8u
     
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  9. Oghma

    Oghma Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don't get how Gordon is eligible for a reduced suspension but not for it to be completely overturned.

    If they apply the new rules, he would never have tested positive.

    If they apply the old rules, he's gone for a year.

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  10. Pennington's Limp Arm

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    Chris Mortensen @mortreport 2m Players who will be immediately reinstated upon expected approval of revised drug policy, can play this weekend, per sources. @ESPNNFL

    So Jordan could be activated for the Bills if this thing gets done!
     
  11. PhinFan1968

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    Once player reps vote within hour or so, names of those reinstated players will be made public. In double-digits not expected to exceed 20
     
  12. Pennington's Limp Arm

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    Josh Gordon tested positive during the '2013 football year'.
    Welker, Jordan, Scandrick and the rest tested positive during the '2014 football year'.

    The new drug program will be retroactive for the start of the '2014 football year', so Gordon's doesn't apply.
    Also Gordon still faces 2 game suspension for DUI.
     
  13. Oghma

    Oghma Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Sure, that's my point I guess. He was suspended under the 2013 league year rules. So how does the change allow for him to get a reduction in his suspension?


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  14. Deerless Dice

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    Possibly a meet in the middle kind of agreement. NFL gets their discipline, Gordon gets to play in 2014. If the NFLPA had any power, he'd be reinstated immediately.
     
  15. Oghma

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    Yeah, seems like a tough deal for Gordon. He doesn't get the immediate return of Welker et al, but also is subject to the 2 games for DUI if and when he gets convicted. The timing just sucks for him I guess.

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  16. PhinFan1968

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    RT @ProFootballTalk: Per source, NFLPA player reps are having a heated discussion about drug policy. No guarantee it passes.
     
  17. Oghma

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    If anyone still cares, the rationale I've seen about this seems to make some kind of sense.

    He gets a pass on the failed test, but the DUI violated part of his Stage 3 treatment programme and therefore he gets moved to Stage 4. That carries a ten game ban under the new deal.
     
  18. djphinfan

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    It's rolling across the ticker that Welker is eligible to play on Sunday.
     
  19. Galant

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  20. djphinfan

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    Dion has been in Cali.
     
  21. Mrtree

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    I was wondering about that. Has he even been able to practice with the team? If not this is irrelevant for this week
     
  22. Alex13

    Alex13 Welcome to the NEW Miami Club Member

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    gettin rid of that extra weight i hope
     
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  23. Sethdaddy8

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    Reshad would have been the big help in this game, not Dion. A thumper to help attack their run game. Let's hope we get then back for the Cheifs.
     
  24. DolPhinPhan7

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    I think with the dearth of good Linebackers the team has right now, having Dion Jordan on the team will be very helpful.

    This 5-2 that was used after Ellerbe and Misi went down is just really a modified 3-4. Faster DE's like Jordan only be helpful because he may be asked to drop into coverage on occasion.
     
  25. djphinfan

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    true, I did see Shelby dropping in coverage some..
     
  26. Jaj

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    There are similarities to a 3-4 however the major difference is that the two DTs are lined up in the three technique. A one-gap 3-4 can be punctured up the middle. This one essentially eliminates the middle of the field. Wake/Vernon/Shelby/Jordan are too strong to be beaten easily on the outside. A 3-4 on the other hand would force one of the LBs to take on interior linemen quite often. An additional note I hadn't realized about the 5-2 is that it's tough for the OTs to help out on the interior pass rushers if the outside guys decide to drop into coverage. In the 3-4, one of the tackles is almost always going to face a 3-4 DE.

    In this one you could literally have both DEs drop into coverage, the two DTs shoot the three technique gap and your NT provide pressure up the middle. Essentially you've occupied all five blockers using three guys. You could easily send the Mike on a delayed blitz.
     
  27. PhinFan1968

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    NFLPA Notifying Players Of Reduced Suspensions http://ow.ly/3qPUpe
     
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  28. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Why would he go to Colombia? They do have very hot women though.
     
  29. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Thought so.
     
  30. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Club Member

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    It's not a 5-2 at all... don't let dumb comments by Omar fool you. It varies between a 1-gap 3-4 and a 4-3 Under...
     
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  31. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    Jordan and Jones officially still suspended, which means that they were both almost certainly busted for PEDs.

    They can come back after the London trip. Team should be stronger after the bye.
     
  32. roy_miami

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    I'm a god dam genius, Gump...
     
  33. vt_dolfan

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    Actually I think it is.....

    Hes calling it a 5-2 alignment.....3 Defensive tackles...2 Defensive Ends.

    "In American football, the 5–2 defense is a defensive alignment consisting of five down linemen and two linebackers."

    Which is exactly what they ran out with...correct?
     
  34. vt_dolfan

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    Why...Gordon didnt get reinstated did he?
     
  35. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Was the date they got busted...was before the new league year....
     
  36. Deerless Dice

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    It's very possible that during the negotiations the earlier offer that the NFLPA voted for included Jordan and Jones, and the counter offer from the league does not.
     
  37. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    It also could very well mean that they were both tested before the 2014 league year began (March 11th if my memory serves me)... too much assumption here....
     
  38. vt_dolfan

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    Which makes more sense...Jordan said he tested positive for Amphetamines. If he had been tested after the new league year...it would be classified as substance abuse.

    Thats at least how I understand things.....not saying its right...just how it seems to me
     
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  39. FinNasty

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    No... B/c when they were in a 1-gap 3-4, Wake and Vernon were not playing defensive end... they were playing outside linebacker. And when in the 4-3 Under... either Starks was playing DE with Wake at OLB, or Odrick was playing DE with Vernon at OLB (pending on the strength of the offense's formation).
     
  40. Unlucky 13

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    There's no such thing as too much assumption :cool0:
     

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