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Poll: What was the biggest issue with the 2018 Dolphins?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by mlb1399, Jan 9, 2019.

What was the biggest issue with the 2018 Dolphins?

  1. Injuries

    24 vote(s)
    31.6%
  2. Coaching

    24 vote(s)
    31.6%
  3. Tannehill/QB play

    11 vote(s)
    14.5%
  4. OL

    4 vote(s)
    5.3%
  5. DL- lack of a pass rush

    5 vote(s)
    6.6%
  6. GM- personnel/drafting

    3 vote(s)
    3.9%
  7. Ross

    5 vote(s)
    6.6%
  1. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    Nono

    Gase never called those secret plays other good coaches have in their playbooks. You know the one where your backup offensive line doesn't actually have to block, and your street FA WR just gets open magically without needing the talent to beat his defender.

    I'm fine with the Gase experiment being over but I agree, I think his biggest flaw was a lack of responsibility and being arrogant. Not so much on the field problems.
     
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  2. danmarino

    danmarino Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He's just not a good teacher IMO...
     
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  3. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Well-Known Member

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    I think if he ever reverts back to the personality he had in year 1, and also learns to communicate better, then look out. I think he the skills to do well, but he needs to stay as Dr. Jekyll, and not let Mr. Hyde come out when his players are struggling with consistency and he gets frustrated.
     
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  4. cbrad

    cbrad . Club Member

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    There's really no reason to think Gase is some great HC who's just waiting to prove himself to any and all doubters. It's important to look at what people actually demonstrate rather than first impressions formed long ago when Peyton Manning was your QB. And he demonstrated only "average" here in Miami, nothing more.

    If Gase really is worth something he'll make the Jets into a true contender. I doubt it though. And if he fails there I bet he won't get another shot at HC for a long time. First impressions last longer than they should, but they don't last forever.
     
  5. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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  6. Pauly

    Pauly Season Ticket Holder

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    It’s in the job title “Coach”.
    From Miriam Webster
    Noun:
    from the concept that the tutor conveys the student through examinations ]

    a: a private tutor hired a coach to help her daughter prepare for the test
    b: one who instructs or trains an acting coacha birth coachespecially : one who instructs players in the fundamentals of a sport and directs team strategy a football coacha pitching coacha gymnastics
    coach
    Verb
    : to train intensively (as by instruction and demonstration) coach pupilsThe lawyer coached the witness.

    It may not be a co-ordinator’s responsibility to worry about the bottom half of a roster and their level of talent/preparedness. It is in a Coach’s responsibility, both the Head Coach and the Position Coach. 3 years worth of complete failure by backup OL equals a failure in coaching. Since the HC didn’t know about his position coach being a cokehead that’s a failure of the HC to coach his coaches.


     
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  7. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    You are saying that like any player can be coached to be at least average. I challenge that notion.
     
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  8. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Or we can continue with your fear campaign instead right?
     
  9. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    The point was if I had a dollar for every time I heard the "We're gonna regret X leaving!!!!!" I'd be an insanely wealthy man.

    Did any of you watch his Jets presser today? Jeebus, the man has serious social anxiety issues. He's not fit enough to be a head coach.
     
  10. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    So then logically, you're saying no matter who leaves the team they'll never be good any where else?
     
  11. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree I drink your milkshake! Club Member

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    IMO, I picked coaching because I did not believe Gase did the best job of putting his players in the right positions to get the best out of them.

    For instance, I understand that Gore did a pretty good job as runningback, however, when forced to use Drake, he lead the league in total yardage. Both Bell and Gurley were both healthy at the time. Drake also averaged 1 touchdown a game. While Gore was good, and I understand how petty this sounds, however, I would imagine an offensive guru would learn how to take advantage of that. Plus Drake opens up offensive formations. You can't really put Gore on the slot, or run a wheel route, or put him on the edge and be nearly as effective as Drake.

    Also, I am not someone who has given up on Gesicki, and I think a lot of people are being way too hard on him for being a rookie tight end. However, of all rookie tight ends he had 19% of his pass plays as blocking, which was by far the biggest percentage of any rookie tight ends. I could understand if Gesicki was good or at least decent at pass blocking, but he wasn't. He was not good, to say the least.

    Also, I don't care about Grant's size. When he is thrown the ball, he generally produces. Yes, he might drop a little over average, however, he isn't completely terrible at it. He makes big plays, and those big small plays, where he turns a 3-yard pass into a 14-yard pass. I do not understand why he wasn't used more. I am not saying 15 attempts a game, however, he should at least have 5, instead of his average of 1 or 2.

    Then the fact that the bubble screen got to the point where it did not work because people crept up, however, there was never a play to take advantage of that. I see it every once and a while, and it generally works.

    I had a lot of hope in the first year of Gase, especially when it looked like the offense was clicking. However, in the last two years, the offense has been painful to watch. I know injuries were a HUGE part of it. Injuries would be my second pick. However, there were just so many bone head plays. And I blame coaching for that.
     
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  12. Pauly

    Pauly Season Ticket Holder

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    Backups can be a whole bunch closer to average than the Miami backups have been over the last 3 years.

    My experience in managing teams is that there are more workers made bad by poor bosses than bad workers. Coaching and training is a skill. It doesn’t matter how good you are at motivation or strategy if you aren’t on top of giving your workers the skills needed to do the job as you envision it. Our backup OL couldn’t pick up a stunt, a basic defensive ploy they’ve been seeing since high school. That’s a technique and teamwork problem not an athletic ability problem, i.e. a problem that is remedied by coaching not by finding a better athlete to do the job.
    If you look at the Patriots their OL is 7th round-3rdround-undrafted-4th round-5th round. Their starters are, by draft position, worse athletes than our backups yet they are holding up all right.

    It isn’t about the backups not being as good as the starters. It’s about the backups being so far below the required standard that it crippled the team. It’s about mental errors.
     
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  13. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    If our back up OL have seen stunts since HS and can't pick them up now in the pros, then what is more likely.....

    1. Every coach they've had since HS has failed them
    2. Some OL don't have a lot of talent.
     
  14. Pauly

    Pauly Season Ticket Holder

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    What’s more likely?
    1. An OL who is so athletically limited that he can’t pick up a stunt getting a scholarship to a Div 1 college and then get drafted by an NFL team?
    2. The coaching staff not training the OL to work together and keep their teamwork techniques in switching assignments solid?
     
  15. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    For 1 to be true, then that means they knew how to pick up a stunt before they turned pro and the coaching in the pros was just so bad, they actually made these guys forget how to do it.
     
  16. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    So then logically are you insinuating they'll always be good somewhere else?

    Thanks for the game Fin D! Haven't changed a bit!
     
  17. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    It's because of his hubris and force feeding his offense. Then when injuries happen, instead of form fitting their strategy to the strengths o the remaining players - he waives the white flag and morphs into Vanilla Vinny, just so he could ***** and moan at press conferences about not having the players he needs to run this amazing attack in his head.

    The approach is EXTREMELY shortsighted and you'd think he would have learned after his second season that you have to be flexible. Truth be told, the strength of the offense was the run game ..... it's just too bad he let Drake/Ballage/Bolden rot on the bench for almost the entire year.
     
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  18. Pauly

    Pauly Season Ticket Holder

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    Picking up a stunt is a teamwork skill not an individual athletic skill. It’s knowing who you’re supposed to block and when to pass off responsibility and slide to the gap. If it’s something they could do at lower levels, but not for the Dolphins then to me that’s a coaching failure. It isn’t forgetting how to do it, it’s not knowing your and the other OL’s responsibilities in a given situation.

    In any case, if we acquired a player who is incapable of picking up a stunt, then it’s a coaching failure to either (a) keep them on the roster since the HC controls the 53 man roster or (b) not coach them to perform the skill.
     
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  19. Striking

    Striking Junior Member

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    I watch very little football these days and even less dolphins football. While much has gone wrong, these last few years the QB play did not improve. Seeing Tannehill stare down a receiver during the last Buffalo game, and being intercepted by a rookie linebacker was too much to ignore. He simply is not an intelligent QB and failed to improve much beyond rookie level of play.
     
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  20. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    I'm not playing a game. I'm also not being a dick so there's no need for you to act that way.

    Your stance is predicated on the concept that no one will ever be good if they leave here.
     
  21. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    But those backup aren't locked out of practices and classrooms and playbooks.

    If you have 20 hours a week to teach the starters how to do X, and they require 15 hours to get it and the back ups also require 15 hours to get it.....then you've run out of time.

    You're acting like there's a magic combination of words and actions that unlock people's potential whether those people are talented or driven enough to reach it and all a good coach or manager has to do is perform those words and actions and ....POOF....serviceable athlete or employee.

    I mean as a manager, have you had to fire people? Were they all failures for you?
     
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  22. Pauly

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    I only ever had to let go of one worker, he was a young kid down from the country and his “buddies” thought it would be fun to take him to strip clubs every night and down to a bar for Friday lunchtime beers. When I tried to get through to him what he was doing was endangering his job he got defensive and claimed I was riding him too hard. I had 2 other long term employees I inherited who couldn’t cope with the changing demands of the job so I was able to get them transferred to parts of the business where they could use their skills.
    Because I was the junior manager who started immediately after a re-organization the other managers dumped all their problem children onto me. Within 6 months my team was outperforming the other teams that their managers had loaded with “star” employees. If you train the people to do their skills and demonstrate you are an expert in that task; give them clear objectives; and monitor their progress by being physically present then you’re 90% of the way to getting as good performance out of a subordinate as can reasonably be expected.
     
  23. mooseguts

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    All but phased out? Maybe you're right, I wouldn't really say my memory is the best at this point in my life. I don't see at what point we transformed into a running team. Grant and Wilson were healthy for the 1st 7 games during which we ranked 21st in rush attempts. After they both went went starting in week 11 (Grant played weeks 1-7) (Wilson played weeks 1-10) we ranked 31st in rushing attempts.

    As far as Carroo owning it, he had back to back 1 catch games for a total of 2 catches on the year. 1 catch for 74 yards is far from owning anything.

    There's no way to know if the offense we saw the 1st 3 weeks is the same offense we would have seen if not for the injuries. Perhaps we just peaked early on weak opponents ie the 29th, and 32nd ranked defense. Although I'll give them slight props for beating the Titans who had a top 3 defense but even the Titans win is not that impressive since they had a rookie HC making his debut and it took them half a season to gel and get rolling.
     
  24. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End

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    Yeah, what was up with those googly eyes? I don't recall him ever having them that bad in Miami?
     
  25. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    I'm guessing that's why he always hid behind his hat.

    I think he genuinely has a mental health issue and while we probably shouldn't pile on - he's not suited to be an HC. A lot more things make sense now, especially his inability to handle a high profile player. I dunno what the hell he's thinking coaching in NY. They're going to eat him alive.
     
  26. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End

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    Yeah Gase and the New York media does not look like it's going to be a very good fit. At all.
    However, we may get to see some good comedy out of this.
    But yeah, if he has a mental health thing happening we probably should not pile on.
     
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  27. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Definitely should not, and truthfully cannot, diagnose that by watching a presser on TV. You can't diagnose someone without sitting down and actually talking to and questioning them.
     
  28. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Thank you, you can't.

    I don't care many fake doctors you hear say it.
     
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  29. Fin-O

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    We can blame the coach for being arrogant, incompetent and certainly unaccountable.
    We can blame the OL for being bad in a league of bad OL's.
    We can blame the Qb who 7 years in is still the same average at best player.
    We can blame injuries and pretend that isn't common in the league.
    We can blame the wide 9, Matt Burke and his inexperience.
    We can blame the Lb's for STILL struggling in coverage.

    But to me? It comes down to one thing above all else. CULTURE.

    This franchise needs a makeover and a true identity, that starts with the head coach and how he allowed the locker room to become disgruntled and lost respect for him. Even a Cam Wake was unhappy and that is the most grateful guy on the planet.

    We may have already ridded ourselves with the biggest problem we had in my opinion.
     
  30. texanphinatic

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    Was reading that the Jets were partly just warm on McCarthy because they were concerned he was too fragile to handle the NY media and fans ... and yet they went out and got Gase?
     
  31. Sceeto

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    NPD is the biggest issue with Dolphins.
     
  32. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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    That moment when a thread about what went wrong with the Dolphins end up discussing Trump's mental health.

    Whatever you might think about chaos theory two words for you - off topic.

    That was a lot of posts so if the other mods admins want to resurrect them elsewhere for a discussion on mental health care and video diagnosis they can.

    For now though, please try to keep it on point, and in the areas of mental health etc. tread carefully with wisdom.

    Thanks.
     
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  33. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    Well he had the eyes of a wildman so they thought he was tough. lol
     
  34. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Gase handled the press here the same way parcells handled the press when he was a Giants coach. With the scorn and derision they deserved. New Yorkers like coaches who tell the media to go **** themselves
     
  35. Pauly

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    Coaches can be as rude as they like as long as they win.
     
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  36. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Meh, sports press is a thankless job. The scorn and derision thing is a schtick that works for a few people (Parcells and BB namely) but you need to be damn good and winning to pull it off. Otherwise you just look like a whiny douche - see Patricia, Matt, berating a reporter for slouching.
     
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  37. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    Gase never struck me that way.

    He struck me as someone frustrated by legitimate questions he didn't want to answer.
     
  38. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    I got just the opposite. He answered everything honestly and the reporter's didn't get it so they kept asking him idiotic questions and he got tired of being nice to imbeciles
     
  39. Pauly

    Pauly Season Ticket Holder

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    Just remember that there’s a very common practice used by the press, regardless of topic.
    1) Ask a question. Have it answered reasonably
    2) Ask the question again. Get another reasonable answer.
    3) Keep asking the same question. Eventually the interviewee gets frustrated and gives a snippy answer.
    4) Edit the material to only show question one and the snippy answer. Add loaded words like “besieged” “boils over” or “frustrated” to the headline.
    5) get more clicks.

    I know we don’t all have time to listen to or read the full press conferences. Just be very careful of any news reporting that relies on a little snippet of actual footage and a lot of verbiage telling you what the reporter thinks the situation was. Especially when it’s framed in a way designed to get an emotional response. If the story is good enough it doesn’t need framing, if it needs framing it probably isn’t what it purports to be.
     
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  40. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    I get all that, but honestly for HC salary you can ask me the same stupid question all day.
     
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