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Polian: Colts will consider drafting QB

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by brandon27, Nov 15, 2011.

  1. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Bill Polian, confirms what most of us already know. SFL is fully on in Indy. With Mannings approval apparently.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AvE9VI6mg6teNMwGZfp82mhDubYF?slug=ap-colts-draft

    This whole thing just stinks of Indy dropping games on purpose to me.
     
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  2. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Not a shocker. Indy would have to be insane not to with or without Manning's approval.
     
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  3. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Maybe not on purpose, but they're not knocking themselves out to find solutions either. And they will be rewarded for it.

    Yet we're supposed to be pelased because our guys are "playing hard" and winning a few games. I'm sure we'll all remember this season fondly in 15 years when Indy has another SB or two and we have still been crap.
     
  4. SICK

    SICK Lounge Moderator

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    Must be nice to have over 2 decades of incredible QB play.
     
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  5. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    F*ckers.
     
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  6. SICK

    SICK Lounge Moderator

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    I really hope Miami gives up the farm for Luck, I don't see why the Colts wouldnt atleast think about it if Manning proves to be even 75% of what he was. Give the man a ton of draft picks, get Blackmon, keep wayne and a healthy clark back, use picks for defense and running back and they could win a SB in the next few years. And we could get luck. I can hope anyways........
     
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  7. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Yes, it was, I remember it well....fun times.
     
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  8. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Dont worry we have Ross......and for now Ireland....and.....:pity:
     
  9. SICK

    SICK Lounge Moderator

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    Us, the broncos, the bills, the cowboys all had/have to suffer for years after losing our hall of fame qbs, its not fair the colts dont have to do the same :( bastards.
     
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  10. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Miami, SF, GB and perhaps Indy, have all had 2 decades plus of long solid QB runs. It happens...its fair!
     
  11. SICK

    SICK Lounge Moderator

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    Well see, this is where I am selfish. I was born in 87' so no.......no I havent had 2 decades of great qb play. Not by a long shot :lol:
     
  12. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Well by that same standard, I am sure there are some 5 or 6 yr old in Indy, that this is their first year of really understanding and watching, and they are seeing the likes of Collins and Painter. They havent really seen Manning...so to them as a young fan, they have hopes of Luck being their QB.

    You had Marino...they could have Luck....you both have had one.

    P.S. thats the problem with youth...you miss out on all the good stuff that preceded you. LOL.:lol:
     
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  13. SICK

    SICK Lounge Moderator

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    I was 12 during Marinos last year. I have some memories, but not many. My memories are more of.....Cleo Lemon, Jay Fiedler, Samkon Gado, and a huge mustache roaming the sidelines..............I deserve LUCK!!!!!
     
  14. MikeHoncho

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    Damn it Peyton. I hope you neck gets the AIDS.
     
  15. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Just keep going public with your comments from above so it continues to filter down into your team...What a fu^%in scam and so on purpose..When a team knows that the front office doesn't give a **** about the season, then for the teamits natural to follow suit..brilliant POS..

    If I know he has gone out of his way to see Luck in person twice, so does his team...Impossible to create chemistry in the locker room...objective accomplished.
     
  16. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    They paint a pretty good picture of a marriage between Andrew and Peyton. I just wonder if reality is the same as the picture.

    Let's pretend for a moment that Peyton Manning really is NOT thrilled with the idea of Andrew Luck coming in. Not exactly a stretch of the imagination. Let's pretend for a moment as well that Andrew Luck isn't exactly thrilled with the idea of coming to Indianapolis and just having to wait out however long Peyton decides he's going to keep playing. Again, not exactly a stretch of the imagination.

    If that's the case, the cozy relationship between the Mannings and the Lucks would be pretty interesting. The Manning family, after all, are the engineers of the Eli Manning snub back in 2004. Just sayin...
     
  17. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    And with this news, speculation plastered on the front of Yahoo that Manning will be traded to Redskins. I'm much rather it be Miami.
     
  18. PhinishLine

    PhinishLine Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Honestly, whether they want to draft a QB or not, you won't know it until after the fact. Even if they don't want a QB, they will say they will because if they want to trade the pick they have to threaten that will will take him.
     
  19. GoPhins!

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    Plus, if you are Andrew Luck, do you really want to be replacing a legend right away? The pressure and comparisons would be tremendous and I believe the fan base would be more fickle.

    And to add a Dolphins spin on this, replacing a legend that has been gone for a decade plus for a franchise that has been struggling at that position every since, that is a different story.
     
  20. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    This is all a big SMOKESCREEN! Of course they're gonna say they wanna pick a QB!!! How else are they going to be able to trade down if they don't lead teams to believe that they'll take Luck?!?!? Think about it. If they don't want Luck, they're not gonna say it!!!!!! They're not gonna pass on the guy to draft a LT. They'll trade down and get that stud LT.

    Indy will not draft Luck! You don't ditch one of the greatest QBs of all time, who is still playing at an elite level for a college kid. If Indy gets the #1 overall pick, they will trade down and get TONS of players and picks to put around Manning.....unless his neck is worse than we all think.
     
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  21. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    /homer rant over
     
  22. GARDENHEAD

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    Yes, it was a total homer rant. HOWEVER, hang with me. What if Polian wants to stick with Manning for the next 4-5 years? Its a valid decision. if he's come to this conclusion, that he does not want to draft Andrew Luck, then he HAS TO BLUFF or else he won't get full value in the trade-down.
     
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  23. MikeHoncho

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    So what you're saying is they want to lower the price... Basically give the **** away so that then the um... Erm... So they'll take the price that was first?
     
  24. GARDENHEAD

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    ???

    What I'm saying is that if they don't want Luck, they're not gonna say it outright. If they did, they wouldn't get a big trade package for him. Everything with the draft is smoke, mirrors, and outright lies. Why would this be any different??
     
  25. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    Manning's at an age where they should be thinking about his eventual successor anyway. Now it may not necessarily be Luck. They could trade down, pick up some extra draft choices, and perhaps take a guy like Tannehill who may not be ready for a few years.
     
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  26. mroz

    mroz Tua tua tua choo choo tua tua tua choo choo Club Member

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    Luck doesnt really have a choice unless he stays in college... having said that, why would he want to go to Indie? To spend a 3,4,5 (well not 5 cause he can leave as a FA, right?) years behind Manning? I dont see how Luck would be cool with that. BTW, PM is 35 right now. I dont see him retiring for another 4 or 5 years.
     
  27. padre31

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    HAH!

    And water is wet, bears crap in the woods, this is the supreme Capt Obvious moment, there is no way they do not take Luck barring someone going Herschel Walker on them.
     
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  28. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    The NFL is such a WIN NOW league. It's just hard for me to believe any team would sacrifice the short term for the long term. I mean, honestly, when do you ever see that? Definitely not to the extent the Colts would be doing it. This is why I still find it hard to believe Indy takes Luck IF Manning is healthy. There's damn sure going to be some smoke and mirrors though.
     
  29. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    God I hope Polian gets AIDS.
     
  30. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Honestly, I think Peyton Manning has played his last snap in the NFL already. I think the Colts know it, so does Manning. Hence the great efforts of Indy to go 0-16 or at least ensure they get the #1 pick in the draft, and the right to take Luck. Put me on record as saying it now. Manning is done. Just a feeling i have.
     
  31. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    Colts haven't developed a QB in a while.
    They are taking Luck bro.....
     
  32. padre31

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    SFLer's are now in the middle of the bargaining stage, next is acceptance.
     
  33. padre31

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    I'm 60% there B27, neck injuries, to a Qb?

    And talk of "the nerve regenerating"?

    They are taking Luck, unless some other Qb prospect jumps him and that seems highly unlikely
     
  34. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That's what im thinking, he's tried some sort of stem cell replacement treatments or something hasnt he? Coulda sworn I read, or heard that somewhere on Sirius. If he's trying experimental stuff to try and get back, he's desperate, the regular surgeries arent working. With that injury, for a QB, I'm sure it would be a hell of a risk for him long term, and for any doctor to go out there and clear him physically to play. Everyone's been awfully quiet about Peyton and his health this year. If there was a chance of him coming back, we'd have heard it by now. Instead, its all hush hush, and the Colts just keep loosing and nobody cares.

    I just don't see him playing again. I see him transitioning into a coaching role or something with the Colts.
     
  35. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    It sure seems the NECK is far more serious then anyone is really letting on. Thus, it makes sense that he may indeed never take a Regular Season NFL snap again, but even if he can, I would think based on this Collins/Painter experiment and reality show of 0-10 to date, Colts have to draft a better replacement option for one simple reason.

    No matter if Peyton does indeed take another Regular Season snap, in reality, based on the neck injury, any snap, could be his last. And being left with Luck on your bench, in essence ready to go at a snaps notice makes total sense.

    On one hand, people claim you dont take Luck if you plan to sit him...I disagree, its a Business while its a game. Steve Young sat behind Joe Montana, you can afford to have both Luck and Manning, you know Manning has anywhere from 1 Snap to maybe at best 3 years of solid NFL QB play, I think his 4th and 5th will be shades of Favre, some of the excellence may shine, but more than likely, its the end of the road and he cant overcome his body failing and its limitations even though the mind is still firing at 100%.

    So, Colts should take Luck if sitting #1, its the best use of the value of that pick.

    Some say the pressure for whomever would be replacing Manning and trying to live up to those expectations would be tremendous...well....again, thats part of the NFL, and Steve Young and Aaron Rodgers both has accomplished it while watching their predecessors till it was time.

    If you pass on Luck and take any other QB later on in the draft (even if you accumulate other picks by trading our of #1) you are still faced with THAT QB replacing a legend. If I am the COLTS, I want to draft the CHOSEN ONE with the HYPE saying he can handle it vs. some other QB and then looking back and saying we passed on the BEST Available. That doesnt make any business or game sense.

    There medical staff better be on top of their game to accept that risk if they trade out.
     
  36. ckparrothead

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    There's something to be said for this and it's not just a matter of someone being too scared to take over for a legend. I'm talking about endorsements. When Peyton retires, you think the endorsements will stop? I don't. He's still going to be Mr. Indianapolis Football. Not that players use uniforms or team logos in their endorsements because they don't, but it's going to be hard for advertising companies to give big endorsement deals to an Andrew Luck when Peyton Mannning is still out there, there's an awkwardness of sticking both in the local market spotlight.
     
  37. CanePhin

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    This is the way I see it too.
     
  38. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    I just dont see that...If Luck is the guy...he will indeed earn his endorsements just like Steve Young following Montana, and Aaron Rodgers following Favre. Luck will have to succeed, but Endorsements come to winners and endorsers want to attach themselves to winners.

    I still look at it from Colts FO side of things....why would they pass on Luck "the next sure thing" and draft any other QB in his place but still have to put that 2nd choice QB in the same situation as what Luck would have been placed in? The simple fact is "someone" has to inevitably replace Manning. If you are the Colts FO wouldnt you want "the best Prospect QB since Elway" vs. telling your fans, we passed on him cause it wouldnt be fair to him so we went with plan B or C or D?

    Now, Luck could be the one saying no I dont want Indy for reasons X, Y, or Z. but from Colts standpoint, you wait for him to say that before you state YOU dont want to put Luck in that situation. It would be a fiduciary nightmare from the business side.
     
  39. ckparrothead

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    I disagree with this. The way I would look at it if I were Andrew would be this: I'm sitting on my *** next year, either way. If I sign with the Colts after they draft me, I'm sitting on my *** for AT LEAST one year, maybe two, maybe three, who knows? But if I refuse to sign with the Colts, and they stare me down all the way to the signing deadline to where I miss the 2012 NFL season, what will I be doing? The same thing, sitting on my ***. But if I'm sitting on my *** on my own dime at least I can continue to work on my masters at Stanford, and I can hire one of those super fancy schmancy private QB coaches to help me work on my game, along with one of those super fancy schmancy weight and conditioning programs to help make me even faster, stronger, etc.

    You could say ah, but Andrew Luck will be missing a year on his career now. Maybe, maybe not. He won't be racking up any mileage during the year he sits out, so perhaps what he's doing is actually prolonging his career by a year. But what about the money, right? Well, the rookie wage scale has eliminated like 70% of that money. In the larger picture of his career, he's not giving up that much money, and by going to a better market and better situation, he'd arguably make that money back and then some.

    Listen, Andrew Luck isn't coming to the Dolphins. It's a low odds bet regardless of what happens. Do we have the ammunition for a trade? Are we going to be the team he chooses to play the Giants' part in another Eli situation, if he does that? I'm not being homer-ish here, the Luck thing is over for Miami. I'm just saying that if I am Andrew Luck, I'm telling the Colts that I'm not playing for them. I consider myself a pretty rational, logical person, and I would only be making a logical, rational decision.
     
  40. BigDogsHunt

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    Very interesting, but to be clear....you are saying that ONLY IF PEYTON IS HEALTHY AND you (being Andrew) are told you would be back up?? Or are you saying that to COLTS if Peyton is done and you would be Starting QB but you dont like the endorsement angle with Peyton being viewed as Mr. Indy QB?

    Just wondering what scenario you are using to determine telling Indy you dont want them to draft you, etc.
     

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