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Players not sold on Tua

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by pumpdogs, Jan 13, 2021.

  1. KeyFin

    KeyFin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Let me give you some perspective as a former journalist and a career writer.

    I could interview any of you and say, "What do you think of Tua?" Most of you would give your honest opinions...he's good at this, he stinks at that and he still has a long way to go. But if you worked in the NFL, your answer would be a lot different....he's a young QB that's working hard and shows a lot of promise. That 2nd statement says absolutely nothing- which is exactly the point politically when you're inside a sports organization.

    As a reporter, I wouldn't bother asking you that question because I already know the answer. So I have to get a little creative. Maybe I ask, "Do you feel Tua gives the team a better chance of winning than Fitzpatrick today?" We all know the answer to that, and the "political" answer would be that they both bring different strengths to the offense....bla bla bla. But if it's asked at the right moment, maybe you get a player or two that will say the common truth that we already know- as of today, Fitz is clearly better.

    However, I can get even more devious by asking a receiver- "You had three drops in that last game- what happened there? Did Tua's ball placement have anything to do with that?" Now they're on the spot....do they speak poorly of themselves, or say the QB's throw maybe sorta-kinda led to the outcome? I'm completely leading them to the answer I want.

    Or I can ask, "Looking at some of the Dolphin greats at QB, how do you think Tua compares after his rookie season?" Or we could do it with current players- "How did Tua's season compare with Burrow and Herbert?" It's a completely loaded question where you either outright lie to give the "politically correct NFL answer" or you share a shred of honesty.

    The point is, if I get ANY NFL player to share a hint of their actual opinion to any of these questions, I can legit say that they showed doubt in their QB. And guess what folks, I could do that with any Dolphins player in the history of the league.

    For instance, Marino was a complete jerk when he's drunk...I've seen it first hand dozens of times back when I'd get autographs with an old friend. I could easily relay one of my Marino encounters to a former Dolphins player, we'd share a laugh, and then maybe they say, "Yeah, Dan was a real a-hole when he had too much to drink." Now I have a quote from an unnamed source that said "Marino was an arrogant jerk and many players in the locker room resented him."

    Is the statement "true"? Absolutely. And because I made it a clever statement about "in the locker room", you associate it to actual game problems instead of what it really is. But it's the truth- those players were in that locker room at some point in their lives. Yet it's also complete BS and a reputable news agency should fire me for it. There's just no such thing as "reputable" + "news" anymore because it's all about the clicks. The story doesn't matter as long as it brings visitors to your website. Visits = Ad Revenue, which means truth or honesty no longer matter as long as the news agency can't get sued.

    And like I said, I sorta-kinda told the truth there by piecing a few things together and then sensationalizing it.

    I GUARANTEE YOU that no player on the Dolphins gave a direct statement bashing Tua...because they'd be off to Cleveland within 48 hours. You just don't do that in the NFL and keep your job. But I did want to show you why this story is 100% garbage yet probably also 100% true...just not in the way you imagined it.
     
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  2. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    I’m not sold on him either but that doesn’t matter because our coach/GM aren’t giving up on him at this point. Let’s hope we see major improvement from this year.
     
  3. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    And this is why you can't trust anything out of the media. They're all liars and click-bait artists now. Too bad not enough real journalists stood up to the commentary being made to look as fact, news reporting that goes on now. They've killed objective reporting and now its just sensationalism. Journalists, used car salesmen and lawyers. Not sure which order to put them in as the worst professions in todays society.
     
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  4. KeyFin

    KeyFin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Today, I'd trust a lawyer or a car salesman over a journalist...it's not even a close call which is the worst of the three. That's why I migrated from journalism to marketing many years ago.

    I know we can't talk politics here, but this country is so divided because the media (on all sides) has screamed for years now that we're supposed to hate each other for having different opinions. To me, sensationalism in the media should be a criminal offense...it absolutely sickens me and it's the root cause for so many of our issues today.
     
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  5. AGuyNamedAlex

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    This is just my 2 cents but I think Parker was one guy unhappy with Tua. His body language on all the throws over his head, missing him ect his body language said so much about who he wanted throwing him the ball. I've never seen that body language with Fitz.
     
  6. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Parker needs to have the ball placed into his hands with 2 feet of separation all around him. It's too bad he can't get even 2 feet of separation.
     
  7. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    Do you just like saying illogical things? Parker is one of the best receivers in coverage in the game. He literally doesnt need separation, just a decently placed ball is enough 95% of the time.

    Also two feet of separation is ridiculous. No NFL player gets that without bad coverage. Not Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, no-one.
     
  8. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Umm no. You just make stuff up out of your head.

    YARDS PER RECEPTION - 12.6 Rank - #55
    YARDS PER TARGET - 7.7 - Rank #72
    YARDS PER ROUTE RUN - 1.56 - Rank #66
    CATCHABLE TARGET RATE - 81.6% (84 targets) - #28
    TARGET QUALITY RATING - 6.3 - Rank #25
    CATCH RATE 61.2% - Rank #78
    TRUE CATCH RATE - 75.0% - Rank #97

    So while his Catchable Target Rate is #28 his true catch rate is #97.

    And looking at his separation which was my point that you dismissed:
    Target Separation - 0.84y RANK #108
    Drops 8 (0.6 p/g) -
    Rank #7 (Not good to be highly ranked here)
    Drop Rate - 7.8% - Ranked #12 (So I guess just getting a decently placed ball doesn't help. And 95% Bahhhhh)

    I know facts just get into the way when you live your life by emotion but just stop or you're going to make yourself look foolish. Again.
     
  9. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    Wow you quoted some statistics. I watched the games, I dont really care about statistics I care about the circumstances behind what happens on the field.

    You're seriously like arguing with a 5 year old. Can you do me a favor and stop quoting me? If this were real life I can guarantee you wouldnt be doing this, or if you were it would end really quick.

    Your behaviour has become borderline stalking and harrassment and I'll be reaching out to the moderators if you continue to stalk me.
     
  10. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You don't care about statistics because that disproves everything you have to say. You're posting opinions on a discussion board. I keep quoting exactly what you said and offering legitimate examples of why you're wrong. That's called a discussion. I get it that you're frustrated with not having a rational response and that makes you "feel" harassed but just like your takes, it's not how you "feel" about the game, it's what the actual facts are that matters.
     
  11. Hiruma78

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    media are click bait because the public/consumers buy that kind of ****
    in the end, the responsability is on "us": if nobody would read sensationalized news, nobody would publish it
    same with the tabloid crap, the gossip crap and all the similar situations around the world: the trash music? the crappy movies? they are produced because we, the consumers, the public, eat the kind of junk food with much gusto... and then we complain "oh, but where is the quality?!", "the media sensazionalize the news, I don't trust them!", lol but in a free market, how should I blame the businessmen that prefer to gain and make money, instead of losing it?
    it's on us, to be better, buy better products, read better news (not what reinforces our bias, for example), pretend more deep analysis, more intellectual honesty, ignore the trash... and the market will follow
    Untile then, it is what it is and the Steve A. Smith/Skip Bayless (or the Omar Kelly/Salguero&co.) will rule the game
     
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  12. Patster1969

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    Perhaps he could have done a slightly better job on the pick 6 in the Bills game then instead of just falling over when Norman touched him
     
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