Players not sold on Tua

"pumpdogs wrote:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/01/13/report-some-dolphins-arent-sold-on-tua-tagovailoa/

If they feel this way I wished they kept thier mouths shut Will kill trade value.

"pumpdogs wrote:

If they feel this way I wished they kept thier mouths shut Will kill trade value.

True, but this is concerning... Guess this off-season is going to be more interesting then anticipated.

"pumpdogs wrote:

If they feel this way I wished they kept thier mouths shut Will kill trade value.

You are forgetting that football is a business. Odds are, the players that are most likely to be complaining are WRs. I do not question their sincerity. In fact, some performed better under Fitz, and they probably think that they would be doing much better with someone else (like Watson).

In their world, the optimum outcome is a new QB. The more we give in terms of draft picks, the more it helps them. Suppose one of those guys was someone like Grant. If it costs a fortune to draft Watson, he likely keeps his part time gig as a WR. Suppose, we do squeeze Houston, and manage to keep that 3rd pick. Let's say we use that pick to grab Smith or another top WR, Grant could be relegated to punt returns. That could also mean the jobs of guys further down on the depth chart.

"tirty8 wrote:

You are forgetting that football is a business. Odds are, the players that are most likely to be complaining are WRs. I do not question their sincerity. In fact, some performed better under Fitz, and they probably think that they would be doing much better with someone else (like Watson).

In their world, the optimum outcome is a new QB. The more we give in terms of draft picks, the more it helps them. Suppose one of those guys was someone like Grant. If it costs a fortune to draft Watson, he likely keeps his part time gig as a WR. Suppose, we do squeeze Houston, and manage to keep that 3rd pick. Let's say we use that pick to grab Smith or another top WR, Grant could be relegated to punt returns. That could also mean the jobs of guys further down on the depth chart.

I want watson but noway we keep 3rd pick.

On one hand, the original report is courtesy of Armando, and we all know how he loves to stir up drama for clicks. This is likely, at the very least, exaggerated.

But on the other, the report (if accurate) is not only a sign of strains in morale, but also an indictment on Flores for going against his own culture by playing an inferior player.

However, biggest concern to me is how this affects trade value. The FO could very well have been in discussions with Houston through the last few days, but after hearing this news, no doubt that Houston will be asking for more. Just a braindead decision to come forward with this information to the media--it only hurts the franchise. I hope they're outed and Flores sends them packing.

"tirty8 wrote:

You are forgetting that football is a business. Odds are, the players that are most likely to be complaining are WRs. I do not question their sincerity. In fact, some performed better under Fitz, and they probably think that they would be doing much better with someone else (like Watson).

In their world, the optimum outcome is a new QB. The more we give in terms of draft picks, the more it helps them. Suppose one of those guys was someone like Grant. If it costs a fortune to draft Watson, he likely keeps his part time gig as a WR. Suppose, we do squeeze Houston, and manage to keep that 3rd pick. Let's say we use that pick to grab Smith or another top WR, Grant could be relegated to punt returns. That could also mean the jobs of guys further down on the depth chart.

Our WRs should be the last ones complaining just like they were last in so many offensive categories.

Wonder what some of the Colts players felt about Peyton Manning after his rookie season.

"tirty8 wrote:

You are forgetting that football is a business. Odds are, the players that are most likely to be complaining are WRs. I do not question their sincerity. In fact, some performed better under Fitz, and they probably think that they would be doing much better with someone else (like Watson).

In their world, the optimum outcome is a new QB. The more we give in terms of draft picks, the more it helps them. Suppose one of those guys was someone like Grant. If it costs a fortune to draft Watson, he likely keeps his part time gig as a WR. Suppose, we do squeeze Houston, and manage to keep that 3rd pick. Let's say we use that pick to grab Smith or another top WR, Grant could be relegated to punt returns. That could also mean the jobs of guys further down on the depth chart.

One of the players quoted was a defensive player.He was quoted, Tua does not have any elite traits,like arm strength or off schedule play making ability.He wondered how we will be able to beat the chiefs or the bills in the playoffs without these elite traits.

"The Guy wrote:

Wonder what some of the Colts players felt about Peyton Manning after his rookie season.

Did you hear anything like that about Josh Allen after his Rookie season? This is bad news all over, bad for Tua, bad for Flores and bad for the Dolphins. Really interested what’s going to happen until next season. If we keep Tua, I hope this puts a chip on his shoulder. Hope Flores finds out who that was, don’t need anything like that in the locker room.

"JJ_79 wrote:

Did you hear anything like that about Josh Allen after his Rookie season? This is bad news all over, bad for Tua, bad for Flores and bad for the Dolphins. Really interested what’s going to happen until next season. If we keep Tua, I hope this puts a chip on his shoulder. Hope Flores finds out who that was, don’t need anything like that in the locker room.

I would check who is still there from his rookie season...

Garbage click bait report.

Tua was working with undrafted free agent and practice squad talent.

Sorry he couldn't be "outstanding" with that!

In the same article the player says that Tua doesn't have any "elite" traits. Then says he has elite accuracy which is the most important for a quarterback. What?

This article stinks.

"pumpdogs wrote:

One of the players quoted was a defensive player.He was quoted, Tua does not have any elite traits,like arm strength or off schedule play making ability.He wondered how we will be able to beat the chiefs or the bills in the playoffs without these elite traits.

He's not wrong, the only elite trait tua shows is accuracy, everywhere else he is underwhelming.

"TheHighExhaulted wrote:

Tua was working with undrafted free agent and practice squad talent.

Sorry he couldn't be "outstanding" with that!

In the same article the player says that Tua doesn't have any "elite" traits. Then says he has elite accuracy which is the most important for a quarterback. What?

This article stinks.

Fitzpatrick was working with the same and outplayed him.

"hitman8 wrote:

Fitzpatrick was working with the same and outplayed him.

Fitz 13 tds: 8 ints. Veteran of 15 years vs a raw rookie. BTW he was 5:2 vs the Jests which leaves 8:6 vs everyone else. Tua? 11:5. Both had a 3 int game.
Attempts: 267:290.

"hitman8 wrote:

Fitzpatrick was working with the same and outplayed him.

I mean, it's not like Fitz is trash. I'm not happy with Tua, but I also don't think it's reasonable to expect Tua to come in and outplay a 16 year veteran.

What is fair, is to argue that Tua was not pushing the ball downfield like Fitz. The offense just didn't have any energy with Tua. So, in many ways, I feel like the similarity in rating really didn't tell the story, because Fitz was taking chances and throwing more difficult throws, and scoring TDs, while Tua played super conservative, and didn't score TDs, even when playing with the same players.

"resnor wrote:

I mean, it's not like Fitz is trash. I'm not happy with Tua, but I also don't think it's reasonable to expect Tua to come in and outplay a 16 year veteran.

What is fair, is to argue that Tua was not pushing the ball downfield like Fitz. The offense just didn't have any energy with Tua. So, in many ways, I feel like the similarity in rating really didn't tell the story, because Fitz was taking chances and throwing more difficult throws, and scoring TDs, while Tua played super conservative, and didn't score TDs, even when playing with the same players.

It's not but when people are set to hate on someone, it will go out their one ear and out the other.

I remember Hill came out and admitted he thought Mahomes was trash before and after he started a few games..

The eye test says Tua was not impressive, the commentator eyes test says Tua was not impressive, and now the players are saying Tua wasn't impressive.

It could all be a crazy made up conspiracy or Tua could really be amazing, or, well, Tua just wasn't that impressive. No matter how you slice it, Tua may develop into a nice QB, but he's no superstar as advertised. Accept it now or you'll be in total anguish eventually.

The reality is, we're in a good position right now. We took Tua last year. We've got the #3 pick this year. If Grier and Flores aren't convinced by Tua they can roll the dice again this year.

The bigger question in my mind is Flores and the culture he seemed to be building in Miami. In the article it states the players spoke on the condition of anonymity because Flores has a rule that they don't talk about the team outside of the team. Well... it looks like at least a few don't want to follow the rules, because not talking is not talking. Flores won't be happy about this. All through the season the talk was that the team were all united and loved playing together. This article calls that into question somewhat. So how will Flores respond?

And then of course it brings back the question of why Tua got the start as QB1. Was it truly Flores' decision to play the best - as he repeatedly preached - or was it a front office decision? If it was the FO then hopefully it was because they wanted to see what they had in Tua before the offseason - and not because of some reason like hype and ticket sales in a down year. Either way, hopefully Flores was really onboard, because having the FO interfere in who you put on the field and break your word about putting the best players on the field isn't good.

We're just going to have to wait and see.

"resnor wrote:

I mean, it's not like Fitz is trash. I'm not happy with Tua, but I also don't think it's reasonable to expect Tua to come in and outplay a 16 year veteran.

What is fair, is to argue that Tua was not pushing the ball downfield like Fitz. The offense just didn't have any energy with Tua. So, in many ways, I feel like the similarity in rating really didn't tell the story, because Fitz was taking chances and throwing more difficult throws, and scoring TDs, while Tua played super conservative, and didn't score TDs, even when playing with the same players.

But was that down to Gailey's play-calling?

I read somewhere that Chan was calling more conservative plays for Tua than he was for Fitz.

"Phil Hutchings wrote:

But was that down to Gailey's play-calling?

I read somewhere that Chan was calling more conservative plays for Tua than he was for Fitz.

If that were true, it still doesn't bode well for Tua, not does it back up the claims by Flores that he was starting the guy who gave them the best chance to win.

And announcers were always talking about Tua not seeing open guys down field.

Pretty bush league to throw your (rookie) teammate under the bus like that, IMO. Im sure Flores is PO’d.