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Phins Trade Bait

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  1. MaddMatt

    MaddMatt New Member

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    This is projected to be one of the best drafts ever, and I'm sure Tuna would like some more picks. Who can we trade to accomplish this, and would it be worth it?

    Bell or Wilson- Same player for one position. Age is a factor. Bell for a 3rd.

    JT or JP- Same player for one position. JP for a 4th.

    W Allen- He is not going to start, can't afford the depth. Allen for a 3rd.

    Ronnie- TUFF choice. Injuries are too much to deal with. Brown for a 2nd.

    My compensations for these players are based on playoff type team making the trades, and would be lower round picks.

    Thoughts?

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  2. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    The only player worth any trade value is Ronnie Brown. No one else we would consider trading is worth higher than a 4th IMO.

    Brown could be a 2nd or 3rd.
     
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  3. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    JT has a one year contract, you cannot trade players who are not on your team.
     
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  4. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Ronnie Brown is too darn important to our team to trade, and relying on a stud RB in the draft has proven a bigger gamble than russian roulette.

    If anyone should be trade bait, we should dangle White and Thigpen and see who bites.
     
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  5. Caps

    Caps Movimiento Juvenil

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    I disagree that W Allen won't start next year.
     
  6. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I know a lot of people say that you're only as good as your backup QB, and I'm going to go out on a limb and say Tyler Thigpen could be the best backup QB in the league. And I think he's better than at least a handful of starters, including the guy that replaced him in Matt Cassell. Not sure if I'd like to get rid of him, but I could see him earning a 3rd round pick.
     
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  7. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    I hope he doesn't.
    That would mean one of Davis or Smith takes a step back this offseason instead of getting year better.
     
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  8. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Not really. Don't forget just how good a cornerback Will Allen is, and how bad Davis and Smith played at times. They had good rookie years but still played like rookies at time. They could both improve and Will Allen could still be better than both. Not a knock on either of them, more a credit to Will Allen.
     
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  9. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    If these two rookies can't beat a good, not great, but good CB who is coming of a major knee injury, I think that's bad thing fo us.
     
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  10. Jaj

    Jaj Registered

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    Those players don't have value outside of Ronnie.

    Players that could be actual trade bait:

    - Davone Bess
    - one of the DEs perhaps McDaniel or Langford

    Teams would want a younger, lower paid alternative that they know will work over a draft pick. I say no though, because the value they'd give for those guys are far lower than their worth to our team. Draft picks are highly overvalued. They have a very high bust factor and it's a shame to see Wes Welker turn out to be merely worth a Samson Satele.
     
  11. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    I thought Smith started off great, then gradually faded as the year went on. He looked lost at times, and shied away from contact IMO. Davis on the other hand was relegated to back up status as the season began, and was forced into action when Allen went down. And, I saw steady improvement in him as the season went on. That's not to say he didn't get burnt occasionally, but I think that's gonna happen with him. He's a ball hawk and tends to gamble at times. Besides, he's a rookie (or was). Regardless, I think his best days are still ahead of him. But, Smith concerns me. As such, I could see bringing back Allen if the money is right.

    As for who to dangle for trade bait, I agree...the only player we have that would garner any real interest is Brown. And, I wouldn't even won't to consider trading him. He's just too important to this team IMO.

    JMHO...
     
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  12. MaddMatt

    MaddMatt New Member

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    I was trading JP. JT was just one of the reasons.
     
  13. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    I don't think Ronnie will command a 2nd round pick. He has never finished a season and sometimes (not always his own falt) doesn't put up very big numbers which make it look like he's easily taken out of games.

    Let the flames begin.......
     
  14. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    Ginn Jr could have value to the right team.
     
  15. Jaj

    Jaj Registered

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    I'd rather keep him than trade him for a fifth.
     
  16. Fin-Omenal

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    Ronnie is a free agent extremely unlikely he is traded.
     
  17. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    I would trade brown in a heartbeat.He has proven to be injury prone.What makes you think this going to change the older he gets.
    They already signed 2 players to big money that are injury prone(grove,smiley)get a draft pick and draft a back.We need to get younger at rb.
     
  18. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    he wont be FA if no cba agreement happens
     
  19. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Philip Merling might be a guy that we'd trade. He's underachieved. But he's young, still has a lot of potential, and MAY be a better fit to a team running a 43 front.
     
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  20. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    De end is one of the only postions on this team that we our set.I do not want to trade away our depth.
     
  21. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Ronnie is a RFA right? So we could tender him and get a high pick out of him, although I would love to see us keep him here I have begun to realize that its a possibility that he may not be in a Fins uni come the 2010 season.

    Greg Camarillo - Hartline is essentially a younger, faster version of Camarillo, I know he is fan favorite and never drops a pass but he is the first one that comes to mind. Maybe we could get a 4th rounder out of him.



    or if he's franchised.
     
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  22. Jaj

    Jaj Registered

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    Camarillo and perhaps Nate Jones are two guys that we can afford to trade next year if we get a better WR to start at the flanker position and Will Allen comes back healthy.
     
  23. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    When we got him for a 5th? That's gonna be tough. I like the guy, but I don't see how he'll be able to elevate his worth from a 5th to a 3rd as the backup. Matt Schaub did it, but that is very rare.
     
  24. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    You might be right. That is a big leap for the limited action in the Pittsburgh game and considering the 2 interceptions. If he had more opportunities to show what he can do this year I could see it. I'm not saying I'm upset he didn't have those opportunities, but I really think Thigpen is better than a few starting QBs in this league.
     
  25. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    I would feel more comfortable if henne when down and thigpen was still on the roster.If they trade him and we have pat white as the back up the season will be over real quick.
     
  26. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Oh I agree completely. There are two starting QB's in the AFC East who Thigpen is better than. Not to mention anyone Oakland or Cleveland is trotting out. Solid backup QB's are coveted in this league, as they should be. It's nice to know the Phins have a good one, even if he is 3rd string.
     
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  27. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    if JT, Ricky & Ronnie are resigned
    Bell, Porter, GinnJr. & Will Allen are expendible
     
  28. FinsAreLife

    FinsAreLife Well-Known Member

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    trading ronnie brown would be one of the biggest mistakes we've ever made
     
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  29. mor911

    mor911 pooping

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    Who's gonna give a 3rd for any of those guys besides ronnie?? LOL
     
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  30. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

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    I wouldnt trade Thigpen for any draft picks. He`s a great #2, or #1 if Henne goes down. I would probably trade Ronnie before Thigpen,although Ronnie leaving would create another problem all together. I dont think Rickey could carry the full load next year even if Hilliard gives him a breather.
     
  31. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    agree, I think Will Allen would make a great 3rd CB but if he is starting come next season I am going to have a problem with that.
     
  32. PHINANALYST

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    Carey - would reel in the highest pick (1/2)

    Allen (W) - still has a few years left

    CAM - still has lots to offer (3-5)

    Ginn - someone might trade a (3-6) for him .... as a return man or a role player WR

    Porter - though i don't see anyone willing to pick him up at his current salary == i think he just gets cut.

    Bell - another one who just gets cut due to salary

    Smiley - could get traded, but interest would be limited due to injury history - he gets cut

    Wilson - i very much doubt this one, given the situation with Bell - but it is possible.

    Ayodele, Torbor - just plain get cut .... no one would trade for them

    RB - just very much doubt that we'd trade him .... i'm not one to subscribe to the RB all world club - but the difference in this team with and without him was clearly noticeable - and RW, Sheets, Hilliard don't make up the difference. The WC is not dead.
     
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  33. Skeet84

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    Will Allen will definetly start next yr if healthy. Also if he does it does not mean rookies will take a step back just that we have more depth
     
  34. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    don't mess w/ the offensive line, the RB stable or our QB's
     
  35. Coral Reefer

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    With all the trouble we've had finding QB talent the last decade I'd prefer to hold onto Thigpen.

    Considering Pat White is still a VERY unknown variable as to whether he can ever really play the position in the NFL outside of Wildcat packages and is clearly a project it's even more important that Thigpen is kept.

    Yeah, I know the Penny arguments are out there but is he even sure he's coming back? I saw some article that questions whether he will or not.
     
  36. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    We just traded a 6th to get Thigpen this season. We could probably get a 5th out of him, but seeing as we acquired him I think he is someone the Front Office wants to hang around at least for the off-season to see what he's got. Remember Sparano didn't name Henne the starter in 2010, which I still think was just something he did to motivate Henne, but regardless Thigpen will be given his looks. If we were to trade Thigpen it would be during the Pre-season to a team that didn't get a QB they wanted or something.
     
  37. gafinfan

    gafinfan gunner Club Member

    I'm going to say something that I'm sure will get me flamed but here goes!

    We had no offensive leadership out of Henne down the stretch, something that I believe was missing after Ronnie went down, and it cost us in those last three games. Imho this is why Tony was noncommittal about Henne as our starter in 2010 and if you factor in that I'm guessing they will conclude that Pat White will be better used elsewhere I'm guessing that we may very well see them draft another QB this April. While Henne may still become a very good QB for us; the Bill Parcels remarks about his habits while our #2 and the lack of a Penny like leadership quality bother me. He is no fire breather like Dan or Penny was, at least, not yet. Will he become one, who knows, but I would have liked to have seen something from him this year and didn't. Did any of you who went to the games? I know in 2008 we saw Penny get on guys on the sidelines as did JT this year but I saw nothing from Henne.

    As for trading RB the very first team up to bat will be the Pats! You all better believe that Billy will be busting his seams to get Ronnie on his team and he will use him properly to help him win another SB imho! :yes::shifty: If you guys think the Wes Welker trade makes us look dumb the RB trade will make us look dumber!:wink2:
     
  38. Jaj

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    I'll be the first to flame you. He did show fire in the huddle and it was mentioned. He led numerous comebacks throughout the season. I have no clue what you're talking about and who you believe would be a better solution than Henne. They're non-commital because they want him to work. They were never committed to Pennington even last year so it means nothing.
     
  39. MrPaul13

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    Jason Allen anyone,former first round pick,I could live without his whopping 20 tackles
     
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    He is great on special teams. Not sure on his contract value and if a paycut should be in order.
     

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