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Phins 2012 QB Options In FA

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Southbeach, Oct 13, 2011.

  1. Southbeach

    Southbeach Banned

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    Here's a look at the QB's scheduled to become FA's after this season. No one has any idea if we will end up with a shot at Luck, or even Jones, in next years draft. IF we do, we will still need a vet QB. If we don't, we will need one as well but, the thinking of who will change.

    So, for the sake of discussion, name the QB you would want with Luck, and without Luck. Add in with Jones or Barkley if ya like.

    Ryan Fitspatrick- Buff does not have deep pockets.

    Kyle Orton

    Matt Flynn

    Chad Henne

    Drew Brees- NOT very likely

    Jason Campbell

    Josh Johnson

    Vince Young

    Carson Palmer- Who Knows what happens here.

    Matt Moore- not a FA but, could be gone or kept.
     
  2. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    How is Palmer a FA?
     
  3. Southbeach

    Southbeach Banned

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    He is not, which is why I added "Who knows what happens here."
     
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  4. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    I'm not sure any of those would work outside of a Matt Moore or Vince Young. If we're fortunate enough to get Luck, Jones or even Barkley, then I would imagine that at least Luck or Jones may start from the get-go, and if Barkley doesn't he probably wouldn't be too far behind. In that scenario, most of the QB's you have listed probably would not be in any rush to sign here.
     
  5. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic 30 years and counting Club Member

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    I'm fine with Henne as the "Vet" /placeholder for Luck. Orton would be acceptable, assuming his pricetag plummets given his performance so far this season.
     
  6. Desides

    Desides Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Josh Johnson would be a likely option, especially if we hire Gruden.

    Moore may want to return, and we could keep Devlin as the 3rd option.
     
  7. Southbeach

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    I'm thinking that IF we get "Lucky" we keep Moore. IF it's Jones or Barkley, I'm not quite as confident, and would re-sign Henne.
     
  8. Southbeach

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    Moore is signed for next year. Josh Johnson is interesting. I've heard a lot of good things on him.
     
  9. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    How do you know Henne would want to re-sign here knowing we just spent a high first round pick on the QB of the future? My guess is that he wants to go somewhere he'll have a better shot a proving himself. He knows how much time and effort he's put in to become a better QB. He won't be ready to settle for a back-up role.
     
  10. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    A lot of people supposedly like Josh Johnson, which would make it difficult to believe he'd want to sign here either.
     
  11. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Gross. All of them. Except Drew Brees and there's no shot in hell.

    There's a reason almost every team with a great QB drafted them. Because teams don't let great QBs walk. We've done everything to try and solve our QB quandary except invest a first round pick in a franchise prospect. Time to put an investment in the position. Either Luck, or the next best option.

    I don't mind a vet as a backup though. But I think today it's getting easier for a young QB to start right away with all the rules designed to make passing easier and protect the QB.
     
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  12. Southbeach

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    I don't know that he would. I can't imagine he would if we get Lucky. Otherwise, I believe he would take his chances with a team he knows. JMO.
     
  13. Southbeach

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    I'm with ya here MB. For this team, I like Henne the best of the bunch. We have to get a QB in the 1st round or, wait for another Brees to appear (pissing into the wind) or, draft a QB in the 6th round for 50 years or so, waiting for another Brady.
     
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  14. NJFINSFAN1

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    Matt Flynn intrigues me the most out of that list.
     
  15. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Agree, but you sort have to see how things shake out this yr, maybe Moore fuinds his inner Romo?

    If we land Luck or Jones, then a backup type of Qb is more in order, Afaik Moore is here on a two yr deal, he'd make a lot of sense to keep if things go that way.

    12 football games left, who knows what will happen.
     
  16. Southbeach

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    Strange things do happen Padre. Back in 2008, we were coming off a 1-15 season. We SUCKED and had questionable, at best, talent. We brought in Penny, and some others, to try and add credability to the team to some degree.

    I had a guy working for me as a laborer who said we were going to the playoffs, and wanted to bet me $100. I told him he was crazy, knew nothing about football, and could not afford to bet $100.

    He stayed in my ear as the season unfolded. We start 0-2, and he's still there. Go to 2-2 and now he's getting cocky. Go to 2-4, and I was finally fed up. Normally I would have fired him for being a PITA (Pain In The ***) but, he was a VG worker.

    I told him I was gonna take his $100 at the end of the year to teach him that he had know more before making stupid bets.

    I was soooo smart, and he was soooo dumb when I gave him his $100.

    I learned something, which is a good thing. I will not make the same mistake again!
     
  17. padre31

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    For me SB, my epiphany about writing seasons off comes from two places:

    -Tony Dungy's "a must win game is one you either win, or you are eliminated"

    -My BC Lions starting 1-7 and 1-5 and turning both seasons around, if you think SFL is obnoxious, you should have experienced the lynch mob that was willing to run the all time winningest CFL coach out of town.

    I guess to me, SFL is simply foriegn to me, as if they were speaking swahili, I'm wired to win and to do so now, anything else is simply unacceptable for me.

    "If" we wind up with the #1 overall, fine, if we finish 8-8 or 12-4, that is fine as well, but I'm never prepared to embrace losses and losing as a mindset.
     
  18. schmolioot

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    Your worker was insane, even though he ended up being right in the end. Lighting sometimes strikes. But theer were various factors in play during 2008 that don;t exist anymore.

    We had a very good QB, we didn't turn the ball over, we played one of the easiest schedules of all time, playing seven back up QB's and three teams going West to east to play 1 pm games.

    Biggest difference, we had already started the turnaround by this point. We unveiled the wildcat in week 3 and should have beaten Houston to go to 3-3. Even when we were 2-4, it was clear we were competetive and could continue to be competetive.

    This eyar, everything has been the opposite. We're using a abck up QB, we have a tough schedule, we've had to scale back rather than expand the offense, etc.
     
  19. Southbeach

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    I could see the SFL syndrome entering into this season but, after 12 games or so. Not now, as I was taught, with losing $100 on top of it.
     
  20. padre31

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    Exactly, and until Dungy's philosophy comes down to it, SFL is more or less an abstraction for me at least, a consolation prize, either way I'd like to see the team become much better even if it does not show up in the W/L's.

    "If" the worst case happens, I'd much prefer a 08 Falcons scenario, were Smith and Dimitroff walked into a situation were there was talent, but it did not perform, then to walk into the abyss that was 07-08.
     
  21. alen1

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    Josh Johnson, Matt Flynn and Carson Palmer (at a reduced price) interest me on that list.
     
  22. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    I definitely think they're the ones with the most potential, which is why I'd have a hard time believing any of them would choose to come here if we landed one of the big guns. Personally I think Matt Moore sticks around for the second year of his contract unless he really stinks up the joint.
     
  23. alen1

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    I'm hoping Moore doesn't come back honestly. I think Josh Johnson is a realistic possibility. Palmer and Flynn probably not mainly because of price tag.
     
  24. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    Yep he has quite the arm, too!
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  25. RevRick

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    I am of the mindset that I do not want the team to lose another game - ever. Is that realistic - well, to borrow my favorite phrase from "Big Jake" - Not Hardly.

    But, the season will be what it is going to be, and right now it looks as if we are going to be way down the totem pole on the number of games in the W column. If we are low enough in that outcome to draft Luck, so be it. I would be happy if we drafted Landry Jones - I have seen him and am impressed with his presence on the field. If that is the case, I'd say keep Moore and Devlin. We have a lot of holes to fill on the OL and a decent MLB and SS to find, probably a TE would be in order as well.

    But, if we somehow miss on the Big 2-3 QB's then we need to pick up a vet somewhere - perhaps Flynn, depending on how bad Moore and/or Rosenfels looks. If they can get us through a year without totally fouling up the detail, we might hope for a better chance at a QB later on, but that is kicking the can down the road too far for me..... I'm 62... I'd like to at least have the wildest hint of an opportunity to see the Phins in a Super Bowl before I go to meet the BOSS face to face. I don't feel like waiting another 18-20 years for one.

    All that leads me to think is that we better pick a QB in the first round next year if we have any chance of doing so - presupposing that we don't choose a 2nd round pick in the first round just to grab a QB - and if we are picking higher than number 5-6... that may be the case - depending on how fast the QB's come off the board.

    And if this wandering miasma doesn't make a lot of sense, forgive me. I am in the midst of battling bronchitis for the third week - and between coughing and the meds, I am not all here. Except my sore throat and pounding head - which is barely allowing my mind to function such as it is.

    Gratia et Pacem....
     
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  26. rafael

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    That's not always a good idea. Players need time to adjust. Sometimes you slow down our even ruin their development by throwing them in too soon.
     
  27. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    This is true. Sometimes. But I am of the firm belief that it's getting easier for college quarterbacks to make the transition to the NFL game due to the rules favoring passing. Since 2005 there's really no arguing that it's become easier to pass the football. You see it in the records that have been shattered in that time frame. And now we're also seeing it in several rookie quarterbacks making the transition quickly. But there will always be quarterbacks who still struggle coming out of college. I just don't think Andrew Luck is going to be one of those QBs.
     
  28. padre31

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    Depends Rafi, if the same staff stays together for a couple of yrs, at least long enough for the Qb to get comfortable in the offense, then there is not that much downside to playing a Qb as a rook, in fact that is more the norm today with only Christian Ponder sitting of the names in the 2011 draft, and the other rook Qb's are doing fairly well.

    As for the topic at hand, would like to see what is going on with Vince Young as a FA, depending on how things shake out.
     
  29. Southbeach

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    I cannot dispute anything you have said, other than no one had any idea Penny would play so well. Funny thing is I got the same worker on a different project in South Beach I am starting.

    He is older, and not quite as cocky. He now says, IF we beat the Jets, WATCH OUT, and get ready for a bet. The first bet was the first and only time I have ever bet against my team. I just may do it again to see what happens. :)
     
  30. Southbeach

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    I recall talking to many here during the lockout, and in pre-season We were all excited about our D. We all thought it would be VG to GREAT this year. The same players and coaches are still there.

    Perhaps,just perhaps, these players took the bye week to look into the mirror and as WTF am I doing. Can't say that happened. However, IF it did, with everyone now healthy, we will be an entirely different team than we saw in the first 4 games. It is not far fetched to believe players will play as they have proven they can.

    This week will start a tale of the season or, a tail of the season. I'm betting on the former.
     
  31. padre31

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    Well, the D will turn it around, of that I'm pretty confident, to much talent on the unit and Nolan knows what he is doing as the DefCord, the real problem is will they get it done in time for it to matter?

    Just have to wait and see what Moore has to offer as the Qb, there is no way around that one, we will go as far as he can take us, as even going with Slaton and DTrain you still need a Qb who can convert 3rd downs and run the offense.
     
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    I think you're making a big assumption on the D turning it around. If Soliai and Langford can't two gap well and Nolan doesn't adjust they won't turn it around.
     
  33. CaribPhin

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    Fitzpatrick is the best available, but I doubt we expend the resources to sign him with the current GM. FA happening before the draft will also change the dynamic (back to normal) compared to this off-season. I do think that the rookie cap would be a good reason to maybe sign Fitz because there's less front end money for unproven rooks.

    That would take us out of the running somewhat in terms of impact players, but who knows what deals the presumed new administration would make in regard to Free Agents.
     
  34. mommabilly

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    Buffalo may not have deep pockets but if Fitzpatrick stays the course all season, they will make sure he stays in Buffalo. They are going ot have a good record this year and there are not many QBs where they will pick in the draft and even fewer FA QBs for next year. Brees is not leaving NO and when the highlight of FA QBs is Kyle Orton then its a crap year :)
     
  35. PhinsRDbest

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    If they get Luck he starts from day 1. Probably same goes for Barkley and Jones as well. So if they get anyone he would have to be a backup. If they don't get one of those 3 god help us all.
     
  36. GridIronKing34

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    If we draft a quarterback in round one, I think I'd rather just resign Henne if possible. Coming off an injury, I would imagine his asking price cannot be too high.
     
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    Personally, I think Flynn is more talented than Fitzpatrick but to each their own.

    I'd be OK with that.
     
  38. CaribPhin

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    I should expand. It's a combination of talents and implications. Fitzpatrick is a solid QB, but he's also a vet who isn't a franchise QB. If we're serious about drafting a young QB, Matt Flynn isn't a good problem to have.
     
  39. siciliansith

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    You my man, couldnt say it any better. Id love Luck if we ended in that position, but rather have wins now that allow us to continue evaluating this team.

    Cheers
     
  40. Clipse

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    If you're looking for a starting QB in free agency, well, you're going to continue to be a bad/mediocre football team. Starting caliber/franchise QB's do not become available in free agency, plain and simple.
     

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