From less than 1 % to not 100 % is not at all in the same conversation. Now that we are being realistic , you think only a 100% Peyton Manning can win deep in the playoffs with a very good team and coaching staff? Peyton at 90% has no chance to do that? Because no other QB has ever won at less than 100% of their HOF ability?
To your point #1, there is plenty of evidence that Peyton will not make a full recovery from this. The evidence is there with others that have had this sort of surgery. I see it on a daily basis in my clinic. The evidence is also there with Peyton though. Think about this from a medical professional standpoint. Peyton's first symptoms of a C7 radiculopathy started in 2006. He went through various conservative treatment modalities in an attempt to avoid surgery. Then he had his first surgery, which was apparently a foraminotomy (a procedure to increase the diameter of the neural foramen the nerve exits the spine through and goes to the arm). This surgery was was prior to the 2010 season. Notice that there is a four year delay from symptom onset to having the first surgery done. Guess what. He didn't get relief though, so he had a second surgery done after the 2010 season. Even then though, Peyton didn't respond to treatment, so he reportedly had a third surgery shortly after he signed his contract. Well, that surgery didn't relieve his symptoms either. So, the decision was made thereafter to go ahead and do the TLIF (trans laminar interbody fusion). This surgery was before the 2011 season. He's had three surgical procedures on his neck in the past year. Now there is talk that he is looking at another surgery to remove bone spurs that have formed since his last procedure. Keep this in mind. The Mannings and probably their doctors will deny that Peyton has this, but Peyton's brother Cooper Manning had his career ended due to cervical stenosis. This is what ultimately ended Billy Milner's career. Most of you should be old enough to remember who Billy Milner was. Cervical stenosis also ended Michael Irvin's career. A fusion also ended Sterling Sharpe's career. Peripheral nerves can regenerate. How quickly this is done is unpredictable. However, nerves cannot regenerate if the nerve cell is dead. Prolonged entrapment can kill the nerve cell. Considering that Manning's symptoms started in 2006 and he didn't have the surgery to fix it till 2011, there is a better than average chance that he let this go on too long. This is what those that are comparing his symptoms with Chris Weinke's and Joe Montana's lower back are missing. Both Weinke and Montana didn't let their's go on for years before getting the surgery, and they didn't have to have multiple surgeries.
I agree with that, I wouldn't want to take him on unless he can make all the throws with velocity that he had, and I do understand that the odds of that happening is less likely to happen..
lol I saw that interview with Saturday after day 1 and def got the impression that he would follow Manning were ever he went if he could. He said quite alot for not really saying anything...
maybe in Manning's injured state might be in his best interestst to run a WCO style O till or if he regains that velocity...
Your comment and statement was that Peyton would never be 100% again and that other than selling tickets , there could be no benefit. That comment means you believe no QB that is less than 100% could ever win , which to be direct is ludicrous. QB's and every other position player , plays and wins at less than 100% in football , whether that be for a game , several games or due to age advancement or skills diminishing through a myriad of reasons. The debate isn't whether he will be 100% , but can he win if he recovers to a sufficient degree. Peyton has already won at less than 100% so that isn't the point , I still would like validation from some legitimate source where it is determined that he has less than a 1 % chance to come back.
I am not going by listed reports. I wouldn't call any of those reliable. I am sharing the information I got from speaking with medical professionals and from patients with nerve injuries. I investigate many worker's compensation claims and such injuries are common. Before the season when everybody was reporting that Manning would play this season, the people I spoke with told me that if the nerve didn't regenerate immediately (within a couple of weeks) that I shouldn't expect Manning. They were right and all those legitimate sources were wrong.
So the sources saying he has less than 1% chance to play are not legitimate, correct? That should make the people that want Peyton to play again feel better , and as long as all future proclamations state that they are from non legitimate sources then we all can take that information for what it truly is worth.
That depends on your definition of "legitimate". If by "legitimate" you mean a news source then no they are not. As I said, I'm not relying on some Yahoo report. However, if by "legitimate" you mean medical professionals and nerve injury patients who don't have an agenda and have been far more accurate than the news reports thus far then yes, they are "legitimate".
FWIW, tonight on NFL32, Mortensen reported that Manning has reached out to Coach Gruden to learn the WCO terminology. I agree with you that the likelihood of Manning ever playing again is slim at best. But something is definetely going on here.
