Patriots beat Dolphins to punch on Boyce

Dammit.

Lets see how Dion Sims does vs Boyce in their career. I say Sims even though we took Jenkins with 104, because if we took Boyce at 104, we would have took Jenkins at 106 and Sims would be the odd man out.

oh well. not a big deal unless he becomes a starter and excels

The Jets beat us to the punch on Ken O'Brien, too. :)

I liked the kid, shame we did not get him.

"shouright wrote:

The Jets beat us to the punch on Ken O'Brien, too. :)

Not relevant.
We were never going to pick O'Brien.
Marino was the pick or they were going elsewhere.

I'd be willing to bet the Patsies picked our pocket more than once in this draft.

Yea well instead of trading up for a corner we could've grabbed in the 4th or 5th, we should've moved up for Boyce at the end of the 3rd, then he'd be a Dolphin, he's a great talent and probably would've upgraded the slot big time.

"Coral Reefer wrote:

Not relevant.
We were never going to pick O'Brien.
Marino was the pick or they were going elsewhere.

What's the difference? The odds are that Boyce becomes a whole lot worse a player than Ken O'Brien.

In what round do you stop feeling bad that other teams picked your pocket? The 7th? I'd say it's when players in general start to become very unlikely to become good, which is about midway through the 2nd.

Having my pocket picked in the 4th is meaningless, because neither the player you wanted nor the player you ended up taking is likely to be the diamond in the rough one would have to be to feel bad about it.

"LBsFinest wrote:

Yea well instead of trading up for a corner we could've grabbed in the 4th or 5th, we should've moved up for Boyce at the end of the 3rd, then he'd be a Dolphin, he's a great talent and probably would've upgraded the slot big time.

Actually what he'll "probably" do is never contribute significantly to an NFL team.

"LBsFinest wrote:

Yea well instead of trading up for a corner we could've grabbed in the 4th or 5th, we should've moved up for Boyce at the end of the 3rd, then he'd be a Dolphin, he's a great talent and probably would've upgraded the slot big time.

And I have to ask why you think hr would've been available in the 4th or 5th?

Meh

"PhinsRock wrote:

Meh

That should probably be the sentiment for any player picked beyond about 50.

"shouright wrote:

That should probably be the sentiment for any player picked beyond about 50.

This is ridiculous.

"shouright wrote:

That should probably be the sentiment for any player picked beyond about 50.

How twoo, how twoo! LOL

"Rocky Raccoon wrote:

This is ridiculous.

I'm happy to be persuaded to the contrary by any objective evidence that picks beyond 50 are likely to be significant contributors in the NFL.

"shouright wrote:

I'm happy to be persuaded to the contrary by any objective evidence that picks beyond 50 are likely to be significant contributors in the NFL.

Tom Brady is a 1st ballot HOF candidate.

"shouright wrote:

What's the difference? The odds are that Boyce becomes a whole lot worse a player than Ken O'Brien.

In what round do you stop feeling bad that other teams picked your pocket? The 7th? I'd say it's when players in general start to become very unlikely to become good, which is about midway through the 2nd.

Having my pocket picked in the 4th is meaningless, because neither the player you wanted nor the player you ended up taking is likely to be the diamond in the rough one would have to be to feel bad about it.

I wasn't arguing Boyce.
I simply stated the lack of relevance to the O'Brien/Marino reference since it was a different scenario.

That does suck because I think we could have used a WR with the more open offenses.

What will be interesting, imo, is not to track Boyce v Sims ... but, Will Davis (whom we traded up to take at 93) vs. Boyce (102).

My thinking is that we pulled the trigger to quickly on that right after we traded out of 82 (which might have been a mistake as well - time will tell). Had we waited until the dust settled at the end of round 3, we'd have had a day to look over our options and gone into the 3rd day with 3 picks at the top of round 4 (104, 106, 109), a 5th rounder, and an extra 7th rounder. We might have missed out on Will Davis who has promise but I think it would have been worth it (there were several others with equal promise - Poyer, Webb, etc. who were available). We'd have had plenty of fire power to trade to the top of round 4 if necessary. But, only time will tell the next 3-4 yrs.

"shula_guy wrote:

Tom Brady is a 1st ballot HOF candidate.

And you think that's valid evidence that picks beyond 50 are likely to be significant contributors in the NFL? Surely you've heard of the phrase "exception to the rule."

"shouright wrote:

I'm happy to be persuaded to the contrary by any objective evidence that picks beyond 50 are likely to be significant contributors in the NFL.

12 out of our 21 Ring of Honor players were drafted beyond 50 or unsigned FA's.

This alone makes no pick in any round worthless folly like you are suggesting.
Obviously the chances go down for a Players to have success the farther you go in a draft but players are there to be had.

I would have preferred to get a WR or 2 in the draft, especially rds 3-4, plenty were available. We missed a shot at Keenan Allen by one pick (I have no idea, of course, if we would have taken him) and we'll see who has a better career, Allen or Dallas Thomas- or the 2 guys taken right after, Markus Wheaton and Marquise Goodwin.

The coverage LB is ok, Jelani Jenkins, but I would have preferred either of the 2 payers taken right before, Boyce or Alex Okafor.

"Coral Reefer wrote:

12 out of our 21 Ring of Honor players were drafted beyond 50 or unsigned FA's.

This alone makes no pick in any round worthless folly like you are suggesting.
Obviously the chances go down for a Players to have success the farther you go in a draft but players are there to be had.

I didn't say those picks are worthless. I said they're unlikely to be significant contributors in the NFL.

"shouright wrote:

I didn't say those picks are worthless. I said they're unlikely to be significant contributors in the NFL.

You certainly insinuated it sir.
What else would you call stating that the sentiment of "meh" should be the approach for any player picked past 50?

In addition I just showed you that the majority of our ring of honor players came from beyond pick 50.
You're a numbers guy chew on that.