Pat White

Thigpen has to show he can be reliable as well... Thiggy has good skills and is a playmaker, but he can also make mistakes. Reports are saying Thigpen is not having a good camp so far, so I'm not counting Pat White out yet.

Both of them have to step up and compete, make good throws down the field.

"Whitedolphin54 wrote:

Can Pat White buy his way back onto the roster tonight if he has a good game, or is he purely being showcased for a trade? I just wondered if the FO actually seen something from him today that they thought they were originally getting, they might reconsider his place on the team. I know in realistic terms that he is still part of this team, but I just get the feeling from things you hear that he will be gone come the start of the season.

My feeling is there are only 3 scenarios in which Pat White makes the team:

1. A significant injury to Henne, Thigpen or Pennington. (Possible, but hopefully not.)
2. Another team offers a deal we can refuse for either Thigpen or Pennington. (Not very likely.)
3. Pennington's shoulder doesn't feel right during the preseason and he decided to retire. (Very doubtful.)

Sorry but you don't draft a player in the second round and then get rid of him when he shows why you drafted him there, unless you get a first and we won't.

"Alex44 wrote:

Sorry but you don't draft a player in the second round and then get rid of him when he shows why you drafted him there, unless you get a first and we won't.

Thank you.

Added: It wasn't a secret that Pat was a project coming out..... certainly not by the FO either. They knew what they were getting their hands onto and that Pat would take time. If they didn't want to invest the time, they wouldn't have made the pick.

"Whitedolphin54 wrote:

Can Pat White buy his way back onto the roster tonight if he has a good game, or is he purely being showcased for a trade? I just wondered if the FO actually seen something from him today that they thought they were originally getting, they might reconsider his place on the team. I know in realistic terms that he is still part of this team, but I just get the feeling from things you hear that he will be gone come the start of the season.

Has the FO directly told you that his current place on this team is in jeopardy and in need of reconsideration?.... or are you presuming how they feel based on your own interpretation? I don't know, which is why I'm asking.

"ToddsPhins wrote:

Thank you.

Added: It wasn't a secret that Pat was a project coming out..... certainly not by the FO either. They knew what they were getting their hands onto and that Pat would take time. If they didn't want to invest the time, they wouldn't have made the pick.

Maybe, and maybe they simply whiffed on this kid and his game, that was tremendous in the college ranks, just doesn't translate to the NFL...or maybe his heart isn't in it or whatever. Any way you look at it, as of this instance, his being picked at #44 conjures up the word bust....

That said, I hope he proves us all wrong, starting tonight.

I think Pat White's spot on this team is going to come down to a few things:

1. Chad Pennington's health. Chad has looked pretty go so far, and if he shows he can be at or near 100% then the coaching staff may feel a bit more secure allowing White more time to develop knowing they have full confidence in their backup. That of course would be dependent on;
2. Pat White's development. These games provide Pat one last shot to show the coaching staff there's something there that can be developed, or that he can be of use in more exotic packages or another position. He's shown some improvement in camp, but he's got a long way to go, which could open the door for;
3. Thigpen. The Dolphins staff like him a lot, but he hasn't had a great camp so far. But if he plays well, I don't see how White stays on the football team unless some other NFL team comes a knocking with a very good offer for Thiggy and White shows he can at least play a basic QB.

"Alex44 wrote:

Sorry but you don't draft a player in the second round and then get rid of him when he shows why you drafted him there, unless you get a first and we won't.

I guess you don't remember John Beck do you ? By the way Beck is now on his third team the Washington Redskins.

"Larryfinfan wrote:

Maybe, and maybe they simply whiffed on this kid and his game, that was tremendous in the college ranks, just doesn't translate to the NFL...or maybe his heart isn't in it or whatever. Any way you look at it, as of this instance, his being picked at #44 conjures up the word bust....

That said, I hope he proves us all wrong, starting tonight.

Conjures up the word bust ONLY b/c many here didn't like the pick to begin with. HOWEVER, the FO clearly liked the pick b/c THEY made it. Again, the kid is a project and it's never been a secret that he is such, so you can't accurately say that there's been any whiffing involved yet..... nor can you say his game doesn't translate to the NFL yet. There's a 3 year curve for a reason.

So 7th round Thiggy automatically gets the nod b/c he has an extra year's experience under his belt? Are the White haters forgetting that Thiggy was cut by the Vikings his rookie season?...... or that his rookie stats were 2 of 6 with an INT? Yet Pat gets blasted for his rookie season?! Only Thiggy can improve but Pat (and his tremendous college talent) cant? I also seem to recall him throwing 2 INTs in 8 passes last season.

"bbqpitlover wrote:

I guess you don't remember John Beck do you ? By the way Beck is now on his third team the Washington Redskins.

yeah.... and who drafted Beck? He certainly wasn't this regime's boy.

"bbqpitlover wrote:

I guess you don't remember John Beck do you ? By the way Beck is now on his third team the Washington Redskins.

Just b/c someone was a 2nd round pick doesn't mean squat when a new staff takes over. The trifecta might not have liked Beck in the first place, so there would be ZERO reason to let him hang around if he wasn't a player they believed in. However, they believed in Pat which is why they drafted him highly. :wink2:

I love the irrational, non-commonsensical beliefs that some members have about us drafting Pat--- that we secretly drafted him to let him fail as a QB so we could move him to where he "supposedly" belongs- to WR.

Guess what? If we wanted a WR at #44 then we would've taken a WR!!!! It's not like there weren't plenty available with a shorter length to impact. This regime (Parcells particularly) was enamored with Pat as a QB prospect, enough so to draft him 44th. You do not give up on your 2nd round QB prospect after his rookie season. The fact that he was brought into games should speak volumes of their confidence in him.

"bbqpitlover wrote:

I guess you don't remember John Beck do you ? By the way Beck is now on his third team the Washington Redskins.

Beck was given every chance to succeed and never showed potential. The question was if Pat showed potential in preseason. Don't see how Beck applies at all.

"ToddsPhins wrote:

Has the FO directly told you that his current place on this team is in jeopardy and in need of reconsideration?.... or are you presuming how they feel based on your own interpretation? I don't know, which is why I'm asking.

Firstly, if you think I hate on Pat White then you are very much mistaken. I would love for him to be a good player here.

I was merely asking the question whether you guys thought he would be showcased if he did well in preseason. I have no idea what the FO think, that's why I am asking the question :yes:

Of course. It's not like Thigpen has been so good that he's untouchable. Thigpen's reputation has been of a talented but inconsistent guy. The reality is that most inconsistent guys stay that way unless they put in a lot of hard work. In the past, Thigpen's work ethic has been questioned. I don't know how hard he's working now. As it stands I don't think Thigpen is more than a back-up. I think he has the talent to be a bottom half starter.

White is a extremely raw QB with some passing skill. IMO his ceiling is lower than Thigpen's. I don't think White can be a starter. I do think he can be a back up. But White's a guy with a superior work ethic. I think that White could easily be as good as and more consistent than Thigpen has been up until now.

The impression I get from the camp reports (I haven't watched practice myself) is that White has been a little better than Thigpen since the second week of camp. If White were to outperform Thigpen in the games, I have no doubt that he could take Thigpen's spot. I also wouldn't be all that surprised if the Dolphins kept four QBs.

"rafael wrote:

Of course. It's not like Thigpen has been so good that he's untouchable. Thigpen's reputation has been of a talented but inconsistent guy. The reality is that most inconsistent guys stay that way unless they put in a lot of hard work. In the past, Thigpen's work ethic has been questioned. I don't know how hard he's working now. As it stands I don't think Thigpen is more than a back-up. I think he has the talent to be a bottom half starter.

White is a extremely raw QB with some passing skill. IMO his ceiling is lower than Thigpen's. I don't think White can be a starter. I do think he can be a back up. But White's a guy with a superior work ethic. I think that White could easily be as good as and more consistent than Thigpen has been up until now.

The impression I get from the camp reports (I haven't watched practice myself) is that White has been a little better than Thigpen since the second week of camp. If White were to outperform Thigpen in the games, I have no doubt that he could take Thigpen's spot. I also wouldn't be all that surprised if the Dolphins kept four QBs.

Added: If <hypothetically> the last roster spot came down to either White (and carrying 4 QBs) or a late round/FA rookie <or 2nd year player>, then I do NOT see us opting for a player who has yet to see an NFL snap AND didn't show enough potential in college to be worthy of a higher pick. If someone falls to injury, we can continue to snag vets in a pinch who are less of a liability.

Just another QB that coaches have ruined by changing his throwing style and getting him out of his comfort zone (gloves).

"No it's nothing that I haven't seen before, but it still kills me like it did before."-Beck

"rafael wrote:

Of course. It's not like Thigpen has been so good that he's untouchable. Thigpen's reputation has been of a talented but inconsistent guy. The reality is that most inconsistent guys stay that way unless they put in a lot of hard work. In the past, Thigpen's work ethic has been questioned. I don't know how hard he's working now. As it stands I don't think Thigpen is more than a back-up. I think he has the talent to be a bottom half starter.

White is a extremely raw QB with some passing skill. IMO his ceiling is lower than Thigpen's. I don't think White can be a starter. I do think he can be a back up. But White's a guy with a superior work ethic. I think that White could easily be as good as and more consistent than Thigpen has been up until now.

The impression I get from the camp reports (I haven't watched practice myself) is that White has been a little better than Thigpen since the second week of camp. If White were to outperform Thigpen in the games, I have no doubt that he could take Thigpen's spot. I also wouldn't be all that surprised if the Dolphins kept four QBs.

Correction. Pat White is an athlete that has no passing skills or passing insticnts whatsoever. As long as he stays at the quarterback position, he will be a complete failure.

I get a kick out of the idea that Pat can develop into a quarterback. Like he is suddenly going to develop the brain to play the position.

"KB21 wrote:

Correction. Pat White is an athlete that has no passing skills or passing insticnts whatsoever. As long as he stays at the quarterback position, he will be a complete failure.

That could very well prove to be fine and dandy...... but it still has to be proven, and I would be shocked if they gave up on THEIR boy this quickly.

I despised this pick when it was made, but I will not for a second think that I can assess the potential of a raw player better than one of the leagues best organizations (that would be us).

"KB21 wrote:

I get a kick out of the idea that Pat can develop into a quarterback. Like he is suddenly going to develop the brain to play the position.

I get a kick out of the idea that Starbucks only charges me 43 cents a refill using my own cup..... but that's just my opinion.

When Sparano said the other day that there would be a tough decision at quarterback on the final cutdown date was that him trying to get Pat going or was he actually being honest (will they definitely only roster three qb's?). I think it's a little of both and I don't think they've made their mind up that they want to showcase him for trade or else Sparano wouldn't have said what he said. Now, if he looks shaky tonight or the next game, and he all of a sudden gives him a vote of confidence, publically, we all know what's next.

"rafael wrote:

Of course. It's not like Thigpen has been so good that he's untouchable. Thigpen's reputation has been of a talented but inconsistent guy. The reality is that most inconsistent guys stay that way unless they put in a lot of hard work. In the past, Thigpen's work ethic has been questioned. I don't know how hard he's working now. As it stands I don't think Thigpen is more than a back-up. I think he has the talent to be a bottom half starter.

White is a extremely raw QB with some passing skill. IMO his ceiling is lower than Thigpen's. I don't think White can be a starter. I do think he can be a back up. But White's a guy with a superior work ethic. I think that White could easily be as good as and more consistent than Thigpen has been up until now.

The impression I get from the camp reports (I haven't watched practice myself) is that White has been a little better than Thigpen since the second week of camp. If White were to outperform Thigpen in the games, I have no doubt that he could take Thigpen's spot. I also wouldn't be all that surprised if the Dolphins kept four QBs.

For all the love thigpen gets around here, I feel Thigpen has been the somewhat more disappointing. It really seems to me that he isnt improving year to year to year. He seems like the same exact QB he was in Kansas City, a guy who can move the team with his mobility and arm but one who will invariably lose accuracy for long stretches and throw an inordinate amount of interceptions. I agree he has more raw potential than White as a QB but at some point he really needs to show improvement. White on the other hand had a John Beck type of season as a passer (not runner). I think if he can show that he can throw the ball this preseason then he's a lock to stick and we will try to take that wildcat/pitstol to the next level and have our Michael Vick/ Kordell Stewart type of QB. Pat White still has a ways to go to match Thigpen in current effectiveness but it seems like Thigpen is stuck in sand and if Pat can improve year to year he would have the advantage of being an improving player as oppesed to a QB who seems stcuk in neutral like Thigpen appears to be

"ToddsPhins wrote:

I get a kick out of the idea that Starbucks only charges me 43 cents a refill using my own cup..... but that's just my opinion.

Freak