Outline of the proposal rejected by the NFLPA

http://arrowheadaddict.com/2011/03/01/judge-doty-rules-against-the-nfl-in-crucial-decision/

That ruling is all over the internet, and as the writer points out, the NFL does not seem particularly keen on dealing with it as it is a double loss for them, they lose access to their "insurance" and they have to pay damages to the players for their actions.

BTW, Marinephinfan, just wished to point out that Objectivism despises Anti Trust Laws, so the usual lines of argument won't work because it will run headlong into "Sherman Anti Trust Act" territory.

As it should I think, the NFL has been ruthless in dealing with competitors and it coming back to haunt them does not bother to much..

 

Great proof.

Why can a player sign a "franchise" tender? LMFAO

Why can a team "franchise" a player? LMFAO

Why do they talk of a NFL "franchise" moving to Los Angeles or Canada? LMFAO

 

The decision from the U.S. Supreme Court that greeted NFL owners as they gathered Monday for spring meetings was technically about caps, T-shirts and other forms of popular NFL merchandise.

...might also reverberate on the labor front.


"LMFAO"

 

Yes, the Supreme Court ruled that they were in collusion. The lower court now will decide if that collusion led to a restriction in trade for American Needle.

 

As far as apparel goes.

 

Precedent MPF, whenever another case is argued out comes American Needle to dispute the NFL's claims.

 

Right now I get the feeling that the owners expected less backbone from the players than what they got. They might not have expected as many of the kind of high profile guys with squeaky clean images (Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Tom Brady) to end up bringing the lawsuits. Now another "good guy" (Von Miller), is joining from the college ranks. I think the players were heavily emboldened by the ruling on the TV contracts, and right now there's probably a secret battle going on to keep cases away from Judge Doty, who I think has made it pretty clear will not be friendly toward the owners in this battle.

From what I can tell, in the latest negotiations which resulted in the final stepping away from the table and filing for de-certification, the owners tried to get away with something and the players turned around and said fine if you're going to insult us this way, we're pushing the button.

As a stock analyst, I seriously have to question the NFL's growth estimates. As I understand it, in the negotiations, they forecast growth of 4% in 2011 and 2012, and then 2.5% growth in 2013 and 2014. In a league that has experienced high single-digit growth over the last ten years, I find this to be questionable at best. The growth they've forecast looks like that of a pharmaceuticals company facing a patent cliff.

There's not enough detail to really evaluate the rest, not that I've seen, but the growth estimates look suspicious enough as is.

 

I understand that this precedent will be used in future cases, but sometimes precedent can work against future rulings by causing the next court to look even more closely at that ruling because it's never been done before. IOW, setting precedent is not always a good thing.

I doubt this ruling will have too much impact on the players vs owners "struggles". The players, as I wrote before, aren't too smart and will claim victory no matter how much more they "win" and I think the owners know this and are thus pushing harder to keep less.

 

How are they monopolies? They are closed business systems, but they're not monopolies. If the NFL is a monopoly, explain to me:

XFL. Arena Football. UFL.

Antitrust does not equal monopoly.

 

I want to add, that monopolies are not illegal.

 

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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2010-05-24-nfl-supreme-court-analysis_N.htm

Marine, Here's a pretty good read. The US Supreme Court decision was a great deal more than sorting out T'shirts.

 

Which teams in the XFL, UFL, or Arena league can play the San Diego Chargers?

 

What Burger King can walk into a Wendy's and sell a Whopper?

 

My point exactly. The relationship between the Chargers and Dolphins is no different between that of Burger King and Wendy's in the context I put it in.

 

The best players go where the money is. If the canadian league paid out like the NFL, we would see great players in both leagues. The fans and product make the NFL thrive.

Marino is one exception to the rule because he played in one town for 18 seasons. Although I'm not the biggest Marino fan, I do understand. I don't dislike Marino. He was great for the NFL. But I am not a fan of players persay. I've lived in Miami for most of my life and was influenced by my father, who was a Rb for the Navy when they did not wear helmets. He suggested that I like the team where I live. Lucky for me I got in right on time to see the best team ever.

 

AT&T does not let individual owners profit off of THEIR airwaves. All they get to do is get a better price and they can profit off of their product.

 

You're kidding me right? I suggest you go read the definition of monopoly because this question tells me you have no idea what it means. Or you do but realize you're wrong earlier, and won't admit it so you continue on.

 

So you admit, the NFL is not a monopoly.

 

Factor in fan reaction to sports leagues with labor strife and it’s not so farfetched. Sure, the estimates were made with the assumption of labor peace, continued operations, etc. But right now, minimal financial growth for the NFL (in a bad economy, no less) is not such a strange notion.

 

For the record, I have not read the entire thread, but most of it. I heard a different 'spin' on things on the radio yesterday, on Sirius NFL channel. Pat Kirwin said the owners dont want to open the books because..............they dont want the OTHER owners seeing how much each other actually make. I always thought they didnt want the players to know, but apparently not so. There might be a bit of both, actually, but that was new to me. Dallas doesnt want Pitt to know how much they made.....etc.
Just thought I would let everyone know.....