Outline of the proposal rejected by the NFLPA

Paul Brown has just as much control over the schedule of Jerry Jones' business as Jerry Jones does.

Do you think teams are happy to go play in England? Do you think they chose to do so?

 

Market value? As I stated earlier the average UFL player makes $35K per year. The average NFL player makes $1.8 million per year.

And I wrote 99% of the players.

 

Who do you think hires NFL employee's? Who do you think hired Goodell?

 

Yes, market value. If the NFL didn't have a salary cap, how much do you think Dan Snyder would be willing to pay Peyton Manning? I would estimate it would be significantly more than he makes now.

Which Miami Dolphins do you think are making it rain right now? And what they do with the money earned from contracts they negotiated is relevant how?

 

32 separate business owners working in collusion hired Goodell.

 

It is a monopoly, no one can create a professional league and compete with them its not possible unless Bill Gates wanted to spend his entire fortune then lose it. The USFL tried and it was the biggest attempt and they proved the NFL is a monopoly. Effectively they are absolutely a monopoly theres no way to compete with them, no one has enough money to finance 32 brand new 70,000 seat arenas or 32 new leases with talent that compares to the NFL it isn't possible. It is a monopoly.

 

Last season there was no salary cap. And a salary cap, once again, is decided upon by the OWNERS in order to help insure parity and competivness.

I have no idea which Dolphins are making it rain. Are you denying that a lot of NFL players go broke after they stop playing? Are you actually trying to make an argument that NFL players, on the whole, are smart with their money? If so, that's a first.

And what they do with their money is relevant to this discussion. It has a lot to do with how long they will play hardball.

 

thats a stupid characterization.

 

Nope. Not a monopoly. There are laws in this country that prohibits monopolies. The NFL is not a monopoly.

 

And who ultimately is responsible for the scheduling?

 

No, a salary cap was decided by the owners and the NFLPA. The owners unilaterally imposing a salary cap would be illegal. Could you imagine McDonalds, Burger King, and Wendy's all getting together, and agreeing not to pay anyone a cent more than minimum wage?

The CBA was negotiated by both sides. If those two sides cannot come to an agreement on extending the CBA, then the normal labor and anti-trust laws should apply.

I'm not going to make a characterization of NFL players on the whole. Plenty go broke, but you could say that for a lot of people in this country.

The players aren't playing hardball. They're just looking for the laws and statutes of this country to be enforced.

 

32 businesses acting in collusion.

 

Of course they choose to play the game. I choose to want to watch these games for the players, not the owners, I back the players because I watch the game for them, not the owners. The owners make plenty of money they don't have any issues with cash, this is just greed.

 

There are laws that prevent a lot of things the NFL does from happening. Hence the impending court cases.

 

By the time they have been retired for two years, 78% of former NFL players have gone bankrupt or are under financial stress because of joblessness or divorce.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1153364/index.htm#ixzz1GazLK0rQ​

 

In other words, "The owners". Call it collusion call it wrong call it unfair...however, it's their business and they can play whom they want to play.

 

Um, its called illegal.

 

I'll tell you what. Get rid of all the owners. Still think you'll be able to watch your players?

The owners make plenty of money? Says who? What is the line between not enough and enough?

I'm sick of all of this socialist ****. If I put out a product that people are willing to pay $100 Billion for then it means I put out a great product. It doesn't mean I make "enough. What a bunch of horse****.

 

That's your opinion. I call it being smart. Actually, it's not illegal because it's not collusion. It's a franchise VOTING upon what is best for the company.

 

Why does the NFL restrict membership? Why can't a CFL team compete against an NFL team? Surely there is demand for more football teams, why does the NFL restrict the supply????

 

And how many regular people do you think lose money? How many regular people lose money in the market, investments, etc?
Its a gross characterization.

 

Yeah and sports leagues like MLB and the NFL are special cases that are monopolies. Honestly this is a ridiculous argument I thought everyone understood why the NFL and MLB, etc are monopolies, its just a fact of life I thought everyone knew. Kind of makes having a discussion hard when people can't see that.

 

I would suggestion reading the Sherman Antitrust act if you believe that to be true.

And its really not just my opinion. The courts have regularly ruled against the NFL in antitrust issues.

 

Well no, but it would be worth a lot more than $35k to the UFL to sign some players for just the media exposure alone. Plus it's what? An 8 game schedule?

I just looked it up $35k was the salary for the first season, $50k for the second with QBs at $200k. Championship game participants get $10k and $20k for the loser and winner respectively. There were some salary issues last year and some payments were late, and they have a transfer fee for NFL teams signing their players under contract. Interesting. If there is no NFL season, I'll be paying more attention to the UFL and if their ratings spike (and it won't take much to spike them compared to last year) the money will be there. Hell, if there was an AFL or UFL team in Portland I'd support it and go to games.

 

Lawsuits are brought against many things that are legal. This country just likes court cases. The outcome, and not opinions fans, will decide whether or not it's illegal.

 

Nope. The NFL is not a monopoly. Please do more research.

 

Agreed 100%.

 

And courts have regularly ruled for the NFL in antitrust issues.

 

I'm pretty sure the courts have already ruled on the NFL's free agency polices and without a CBA they are illegal, just like the draft is almost certainly going to be found to be.

 

Yet you want to cap what the players make? Socialism isn't the discussion stop making things up to prove a point. The players want a cut of 9 billion, the owners want a cut they are just fighting over how much. And yeah if they got 32 new owners I think that the league wouldn't skip a beat if they got 32 new teams worth of players no one would watch. Its a very real difference you seem to be unaware of.

 

It will water down the profits. Smart business move. Why doesn't Burger King allow me to open up a Burger King right next to a current Burger King? Those damn colluders!

Why doesn't MLB compete against the NFL? I mean, that's just not right.

 

Which cases?????????????

 

Liar. I've never said the players should be capped. Not once. Not ever. I don't think anything should be capped. Including the profits or salaries. However, if the OWNERS want a cap, who am I to tell them how to run their business? If the players don't like it they can play for a different league or find a different career field.

 

Smart business move. Also a violation of the Sherman anti-trust act.

And again, you want to compare apples to oranges. Burger King is one business with franchises. The NFL is 32 separate businesses. The anti-trust rules that regulate franchises are completely different. What would be comparable would be McDonalds and Burger King getting together, saying they won't operate within X miles of eachother, and therefore will be able to artificially raise prices because of their collusion to limit supply to consumers.

 

Individual owners can absolutely set a cap. 32 owners in concert cannot.

 

The NFL was deemed 32 separate business ONLY when it came to apparel. The NFL is a franchise. It's a little more complicated than that, but in essence that's what it is.

 

http://tech.mit.edu/V112/N39/nfl.39w.html

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?page=munson/100524

 

The entire reason the NFL pushed the American Needle case to the SCOTUS is so they could apply the ruling to the current labor situation. I'm not sure how it wouldn't apply to things other than apparel.

 

LMFAO.

That is so ridiculously untrue. Seriously. Tell that to an owner. See what he says. No really, go ahead.

 

The win, while a big one for American Needle, doesn’t end the case. The lower court will now examine the case in light of the Supreme Court’s ruling.

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/05/24/american-needle-high-court-delivers-9-0-shutout-against-nfl/