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  1. Crash Jensen

    Crash Jensen Active Member

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    This was posted the day after that game and hit the nail squarely on the head in my opinion:

     
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  2. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Belicheck dresses like a homeless guy. Opposite of serious.
     
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  3. Crash Jensen

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    “A team takes on the personality of its coach,” not the wardrobe of its coach.
     
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  4. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    Without Brady that personality hasn't done sh!t.

    In the last 13 years, the Steelers and "serious Tomlin" have made the playoffs 7 times. 4 of those times went 1 and done. Made the AFCCG once, and lost. In 13 years they've won 4 playoff games. In the past 6 years they've done what the Dolphins have done. Made the playoffs 2 times and lost both times in the WC round.

    I love Acho, but he has not one idea of what happens in that locker room. McD's personality in front of the media doesn't necessarily reflect his private convo's with his players.

    McD's personality doesn't cause injuries. And injuries are why this team didn't win the division and have a home playoff game.
     
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  5. Crash Jensen

    Crash Jensen Active Member

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    Coaches’ effective personalities are necessary but not sufficient for winning.
     
  6. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    There are basically two types of personalities:

    A "Player's Coach"
    A disciplinarian

    Both types have had great success in the NFL
     
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  7. Crash Jensen

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    Dan Campbell is a players’ coach, but he is serious and driven and not goofy. You won’t find a historical exemplar of McDaniel’s goofy, non-serious personality that won big in the NFL.

    In other words, your putting coaches into those two simple categories does not distinguish among them in a nuanced enough manner.
     
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  8. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    You keep calling McDaniel "non serious", "not driven" and it couldn't be further from the truth. Just because he doesn't yell and scream and cry like a baboon like Campbell doesn't mean he doesn't take it serious.

    McDaniel was out of the NFL for a couple of years because he had a serious drinking problem. He is not taking things for granted and not taking things "non serious".
     
  9. Crash Jensen

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    How McDaniel feels on the inside and how he relates to his players can be two totally different things.
     
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  10. Crash Jensen

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    A team takes on the personality of its coach —> coach relates to his players in a goofy, non-serious manner —> team has difficulty becoming serious when the need arises.

    Not sure why anything other than that would be expected. It’s a pretty simple process.
     
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  11. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Are you in the building?
     
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  12. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yes Mcdaniels methods are quite unprecedented.

    We’ll see next year
     
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    None of us knows how he deals with players off camera, at a personal level. To say it’s the same as how he deals with the media is speculation, plain and simple.
     
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  14. resnor

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    I'm not necessarily agaist McDaniel's style, per se, but I do feel like the team wasn't mentally strong. Like they just didn't seem to have that heart or fire in those late season games. McDaniel has got to find a way to change that.

    Maybe he needs some real hard *** assistants to balance him. I dunno.
     
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  15. Sceeto

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    “our head coach”

    …Isn’t Dan Campbell anymore.
     
  16. KeyFin

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    The fun part is when you realize that certain posters are actually talking to themselves. Whoever this individual is hasn't been IP banned completely because they finally figured out to use a VPN maybe five years ago. They've very determined though- you have to give them that!
     
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  17. Crash Jensen

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    The question is whether McDaniel has the capacity to change that, because changing that comes from having — and expressing — that heart and fire and intensity oneself in the position of head coach.

     
  18. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    You're just wrong about McD

     
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  19. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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  20. Crash Jensen

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    I guess we will have to disagree. The way that’s expressed doesn’t infuse anyone with any greater heart or fire or intensity than they had previously in my opinion. The difference between that and Jimmy Johnson’s video above is palpable and visceral.
     
  21. Crash Jensen

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    Again, technical expertise.
     
  22. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    Steve Atwater agrees with me:

    "Over that month, though, players began to recognize him and realize the truth that we have all come to know now: Mike McDaniel is relentless. Most eventually gave in and signed something for the kid. Players and coaches got to know him, and Mike spent that August as the team's unofficial mascot. One day toward the end of camp, Atwater walked off the field, saw Mike and handed him his preseason cleats."

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39280819/mike-mcdaniel-miami-dolphins

    I guess Atwater wasn't "intense" either?
     
  23. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    Motivation isn't done one way. Inspiring is motivating. Teaching is motivating.
     
  24. Crash Jensen

    Crash Jensen Active Member

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    You and I aren’t going to agree, and that’s fine.
     
  25. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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  26. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    He was inspired. Isn’t that you were saying he needed to do?
     
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  27. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    We’re putting up video after video and all you have shown is a feeling.
     
  28. Crash Jensen

    Crash Jensen Active Member

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    So I either agree with you or I appear to be biased and inflexible.
     
  29. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    No...we're putting up 2+2=4...irrefutable proof and facts... and you're putting your fingers in your ears and yelling "NA...NA...NA"
     
  30. Crash Jensen

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    No, you’re simply perceiving what you’re posting and giving it a certain degree of weight that I am not.

    That could be happening as well for you with regard to what I’m posting, but apparently the difference is that I don’t care if you agree with me or not.
     
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  31. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    No I'm not. I'm posting actual quotes from his players.
     
  32. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    You have zero proof of your position. We’re showing proof. That’s the difference.
     
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  33. resnor

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    He didn't even really say anything. That clip isn't particularly motivational, imo.
     
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  34. resnor

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    Those quotes aren't disagreeing with what Crash has said. He hasn't said he isn't liked by the players, or that he didn't connect with the players. One guy said he was "authentic" and "connected to the players," and the other guy said he was "relentless."

    Well I didn't see "relentless" play on the field to end the season, so if McD is those things, he apparently didn't pass it on to the players.
     
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  35. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    No he said he was a goofball. All of this show he’s not a goofball.
     
  36. resnor

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    Oh... McDaniel is never goofy or silly.

    Gotcha
     
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  37. danmarino

    danmarino Hyperbole or death Club Member

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    I'm sure BB has told a joke or two. Stop the hyperbole...
     
  38. Crash Jensen

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    Show me a video where McDaniel is pissed off at the team and exhorting them to do better and the emotion he is expressing is palpable and visceral. Any coach unable or unwilling to do that is missing a key ingredient of what it takes to coach a professional football team.
     
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  39. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Tom Coughlin was a strict disciplinarian. They forced him to tone it down and become more of a players coach and then they won two super bowls.
     
  40. Crash Jensen

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    So by extension someone at the other end of the spectrum, who is a fun and games goofball, would need to turn up the volume, correct?
     
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