Our Free Agents : Who do we resign, etc

Grimes soliai carroll Keller. That's it. Go after Marquice Pouncey and the OT from KC.

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Grimes is a no brainer, even with his injury history. His price can be offset somewhat by cutting Patterson and having the rest of the CBs compete for positions.

McKinnie should get a short term deal, and Clabo probably deserves at least some negotiations.

Soliai and Starks are too expensive to keep together, IMO. We can only pick one... Or let both walk and move Odrick inside at last.

Clemons, see ya.

 

every OL on that list can walk. I'd try to bring back Carroll, Starks, and Soliai. Clemons is a toss up to me.

Grimes played excellent but if he's gonna be asking for the same amount of money as much younger guys like Alterraun Verner or Sam Shields, I don't know if I'm comfortable giving him that long term deal when he'll be 31.

every other FA we have can bounce.

 

for the offensive line, yes, of course. sign 2, draft 2 or 3.

 

I don't have numbers on where Odrick took which amount of snaps. I would hope he played primarily inside, though.

 

Anyone seen anything on Keller? Any reason to believe he can recover from that injury and be close to the player he was?

 

Define "Dead money" for me please.

 

Money owed to players no longer on the roster.

 

Wtf?

 

Not many of those guys will be getting a pink slip.

 

If any

 

In order for it to be "dead money" they have to no longer be on the roster.

 

Resign Keller, Clemons, Carrol, Soliai, Grimes and McKinnie

 

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Which is why I scratch my head when people say Aponte is good at her job... Those are some ridiculous numbers at dead money and only one is above average, the others are average to mediocre.

 

I think people are looking at these figures wrong, that "dead money" is only a factor when the player is cut/traded. It has ZERO baring on anything else making it kind of irrelevant unless you are of the opinion one of those guys must go but can't due to THAT cap hit.

It's by no means what they cost the team per year etc.

 

Well that is my point, some of those players, most especially the linebackers, should be let go but because there's 22 million tied to them, we have to endure another season of crap linebacker play. And I want Mike Wallace out of here more than anyone but knowing the dead money tied to him, we're stuck with him, for 2 more seasons.

 

Here is the 2014 Cap number per player (on right)


Mike Wallace $23,800,000. --3.25M
Danelle Ellerbe $11,600,000. --2.4M
Cameron Wake $10,020,000 --5M
Phillip Wheeler $10,600,000. --2.4M
Dion Jordon $16,831,880. --3.7M
Brian Hartline $10,385,000. --2.1M
Reshad Jones $13,370,000. --1.6M


All these guys are worth keeping anyway IMO. Yes, even Wheeler.

 

Wheeler and Ellerbe aren't even close to being worth their salaries. If not for cap ramifications I'd dump the both of them on the spot and earmark that saved money for the OL.

 

Definitely Wheeler if it were that easy, but 2.3 M isn't terrible to swallow for a backup LB. So upgrading that position needs to be a priority IMO.

 

according to a favorable contract, I would bring back:

*Marlon Moore, WR
Dustin Keller, TE ( if he returns healthy we have a serious attack along with Clay)
*Paul Soliai, DT or Randy Starks
Nolan Carroll or Chris Clemons
*Brent Grimes, CB
Clabo or McKinnie or Incognito

I starred the indispensable & would find a place for any of the above if it was a franchise friendly deal

 

I think we need to let Soliai and Randy test the market, I think they're in for a rude awakening if they think they're going to get 7 million per season.

 

Wheeler and Ellerbe are getting away with highway robbery with those contracts.

 

They are bad dead money wise but 2.4 million isn't that much. I know Wheeler would be fine if used correctly. I'm not sure about Ellerby or if they are compatible as a core.

 

I dont think you so much can look at how they played last year to judge whether or not they are worth it. Instead...look at how much it would cost to replace and upgrade them. Remember...a new player has to learn the system.

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Apparently so does Wheeler and Ellerbe.

 

mckinnie, grimes, carroll, soliai. that is all. move one of the cbs we drafted to clemons old spot (taylor most likely). get him on the field since we wasted a 2nd round pick on him. draft heavy on offensive linemen and take a rb somewhere in the middle rounds.

 

those are not the 2014 cap hits, you listed last year's cap numbers. Everyone knows Wallace's cap # shoots up to 17 mil this year.

here are the top cap hits on the roster:

Mike Wallace (23,800,000) ----- 17,250,000
Dannell Ellerbe (11,600,000) --- 7,425,000
Cameron Wake (10,600,000) --- 6,400,000
Philip Wheeler (10,600,000) ---- 6,400,000
Brian Hartline (10,385,000) ---- 6,210,000
Matt Moore (1,500,000) --------- 5,500,000
Dimitri Patterson (0) ------------ 5,400,000
Dion Jordan (16,831,880) ------- 4,675,524
Brandon Gibson (2,000,000) ---- 3,735,000
Reshad Jones (13,370,000) ----- 3,610,000
Brandon Fields (1,185,000) ----- 3,586,116
Ryan Tannehill (7,528,453) ----- 3,455,046
Mike Pouncey (2,946,267) ------ 2,946,266
Koa Misi (2,312,000) ------------- 2,328,000

Dimitri Patterson is basically a dead man walking, releasing him saves 5.4 mil in cap space, the new GM should make that move immediately. Cutting/trading Matt Moore saves you another 4 mil, so that's another option.

 

Well..you still need to gauge the replacement costs...can you upgrade two linebackers who already have one year worth of experience in the system..for the same or less?

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Not sure how you arrived at those cap hit numbers
but the real cap hit numbers are

Wallace $17,250,000
Ellerbe $7,425,000
Wake $7,825,000
Wheeler $6,400,000
Hartline $6,210,000
Jones $3,610,000

 

Wrong year, thanks old man.