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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by SICK, Mar 29, 2012.

  1. SICK

    SICK Lounge Moderator

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    I know everyone is talking about hartline and bess. But what about gates, Moore and Wallace? Do those guys fit in this philbin offense? Anyone think they are looking to bloom in his offense?


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  2. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend Club Member

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    the next dimension
    IMO the whole group needs to be rebooted. Upgrades all around and this is the draft to do it in.
     
  3. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    Who cares? The least important holes we have are at WR.
     
  4. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

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    over there
    Hartline and Bess are 2 good examples of players we drafted that performed.
    If Gates gets the reps/experience this season,he has a chance to shine with the speed he possesses.
    Now,Hartline especially needs to pick up his game. I would expect him to start,but opposite who? That's the question..
    If there is no one one the other side that can get separation or any form of respect from the DB's,we will have trouble in the passing game.
    Bess will be fine.
    Moore and Wallace need to bloom as you say. One of the two won't be there when the season begins, IMO.
     
  5. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic 30 years and counting Club Member

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    We still need another really good WR. IMO, Hartline, Bess and Gates can thrive in this system, but we need them to be behind someone who has the whole package: speed, size and route running. Even if we draft a stud TE, that would be enough.
     
  6. SICK

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    Agreed but it's worth talking about


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  7. ToddsPhins

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    I'm guessing Gates might be one of the "hidden talents" Philbin referred to a while back. Hope so at least.
     
  8. Dolfan4Life

    Dolfan4Life BostonStrong

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    Bess should rebound after last season and he looks to be our #1 WR so far, even as a slot receiver! Maybe we have the next Victor Cruz in our team already but i wouldn't mind if we're upgrading our WR's in the draft as well!
     
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  9. Ozzy

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    untrue....

    A team can never have enough playmakers at the skill positions. So I guess I care.
     
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  10. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    Nothing you said counters what I said.
     
  11. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    You can't discount Pruitt at this point either. From what I read his biggest knock was that he couldn't get off press coverage. As a gunner on ST he was pretty impressive splitting double coverage.
     
  12. Ozzy

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    Nothing you said made sense!
     
  13. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    "You can never have enough playmakers at the skill positions" is not the opposite of WR are the LEAST important of our holes.

    Why that doesn't make sense is kind of ridiculous. Our hole at QB is more important than WR, for example.
     
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  14. Ozzy

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    Ridiculous is assuming that the Qb is the only thing this team needs on offense! You clearly stated that Wr is the least of the holes on offense needed to be filled!!!!!!!

    Wr is the second most glaring position on this team since the departure of Brandon Marshall. Assuming Hartline and Bess can be those playmakers needed is another ridiculous assumption.
     
  15. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    Actually, I very clearly did not specify offense. I said:
    We have a number of holes on the team. Out of those holes, WR is the least important. Brandon Marshall's release proved that.
     
  16. MAFishFan

    MAFishFan Team Tannehill

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    more importantly, who's throwing to these wr's?
     
  17. Ozzy

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    Now your cracking me up! Brandon Marshall's release made the offense even worse than it was. So maybe the coaches think we should win less games next season so they can get you that all ellusive Qb.

    Next thing you'll say is the release of Bell makes safety the other least important position to fill...
     
  18. Ozzy

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    I'm pretty sure 100 percent of the fanbase wants a serious upgrade at the Qb position but the Qb cannot throw and catch the ball.
     
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  19. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito. Club Member

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    Brandon Marshall was released?
     
  20. Ozzy

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    Whatever man!
     
  21. jw3102

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    I have no idea how you can state that the least important holes this team is at WR. Hartline would be a third or fourth receiver on most teams in the NFL and with the Dolphins right now, he is basically their #1 WR. Bess is a very good slot receiver but his numbers were down considerably last season from previous seasons. Gates couldn't get off the line last year and no matter how fast he might be, there is still a huge question concerning his ability to play WR in the NFL.

    I not only think WR is a big need for the Dolphins, I think it is one of this teams biggest needs now that they have no true #1 receiver on the team. I could very easily see the Dolphins using at least two of their early drafts picks on the WR position.
     
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  22. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    QB = more need than WR right now
    FS = more need than WR right now
    SS = more need than WR right now
    olb/de = more need than WR right now
    OG = more need than WR right now
    OT = same need as WR right now

    I'd agree with FinD...WR, given the O we will be running is the least important need right now.
     
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  23. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I agree with both Ozzy and Fin-D. Playmakers at WR are important, QB is currently a bigger need. Upgrading QB upgrades all the WRs.

    That being said, I'm as hopeful as any of you that Clyde Gates can turn it on this year, but what about his 2 receptions and 19 yards receiving in his rookie season makes anyone think he can thrive in any system?
     
  24. Fin D

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    We were 6-10, while Marshall was on the team. He had all of 9 TD in 2 years. Can we just be honest about this guy for once, and admit he didn't produce while he was here and the production he had didn't really improve our overall play?

    Acting like we'll suck without Marshall or some awesome WR, is simply not true. We went 11-5 without a special WR. What we had on offense when we went 11-5? A solid QB, a solid oline, 2 pass catching TEs...and crap at WR. Well, we need a QB, oline help, a second TE....all before we need a WR. Not too mention the defensive has holes to fill which are more important than a WR. We don't need an all world WR to be good. We will need one to become elite, but we need to become good first.

    Not too mention, Philbin didn't want him in his offense. Crazy. The architect of one of the best offenses in the league deemed Marshall pointless and has even said there's no real #1 WR in his offense.
     
  25. byroan

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    It'll be interesting to see if Hartline can play like Jordy Nelson. They have very similar stats for their first 3 years. Jordy then looked like an all star last year.
     
  26. VanDolPhan

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    I kinda agree here. WR is important...but at the same time we don't need to dump a #1 pick on it. Hell I was sort of hoping we wouldn't need to go QB in round 1 (I'd like to give Matt Moore 1 full season to see what he can do in the WCO). That way we can go BPA. I'd love to have Luke K. with that 8th pick. Then go WR/OL/WR for round 2-3. Then fill out 4-6 with safety/cornerback/TE in no particular order and then pick up one last WR in the 7th as a flyer that some teams seem to do well with.

    Matt Moore is at least intriguing enough to try for one more season and if it doesn't work...then cash in and try to trade up for one of the top Qb's next year where maybe we can get a true top tier draft QB instead of the fringe first rounders who sneak into the top 10 ala Tannehill.
     
  27. dsteve

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    if your wrs are this horrible teams just stack the box and press you all day. We did it to the raiders because their WR core is that horrible, especially getting off press coverage.

    i think hartline can improve this season but it's yet to be seen and it's gonna be real hard with duds like moore and garrad at the helm. At this point i want them to draft tannehill if the browns pass at 4 just for the sake of having something to watch. I think the smart move for winning games is to go pass rushing DE but our offense is so horrible...basically you can't fault them for this pick, whatever it ends up being because they've put themselves in such a ****ty position. If there isn't some sort of sign of life then ireland needs to go.

    for me to want ireland i need to see;

    production from D thomas at RB since we traded up for him. Pouncey to be dominate. long to be signed to a long term deal. a breakout performance from odrick. The only thing that saves the odrick drafting without high level or promise of high level play is another injury. cant fault a guy is the pick doesnt stay healthy. I'd also like to see something done with the two thirds we got for marshell. whether it's a trade up or drafting a WR that isn't horrible. I'm not gonna complain about them picking tannehill at 8 or a pass rushing DE. ill ****ing cry if it's decastro and we don't trade down. if kali (the usc T) somehow slips down to us I'd cry if we didnt take him as I see O line as the biggest problem with our offense followed by matt moore followed by Wrs.
     
  28. SlyFoxxx

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    Matt Moore finished 12th in Rating, almost a 2:1 TD/Int Ratio, and completed over 60% of his passes after being thrown in with little camp and starting reps.

    Our two receivers combined for 86 catches and 1,086 yards and 4 TDs. Together, they are ranked 17th in the league compared to everyone else solo, just behind Vincent Jackson and just above AJ Green. In TDs, they combine to rank tied for 63 with guys like Josh Cribbs and Santana Moss. If we put those two guys up against any two in the league, I guarantee we are bottom 5. Can't say that about QB.

    QB isn't a sexy name, but he produced at a high level and with some help around him, will continue to grow.
     
  29. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    :lol:

    We have far and away the worst WR core in the league. If you have no intention of winning anything, sure, don't care. But there's a reason the great teams aren't trotting out complete bums at WR/TE like we are. WR is an absolutely massive hole. Not only for the fact that our current WR's suck, but no rookie QB is going to succeed throwing to these scrubs.
     
  30. Fin D

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    Yeah, yeah. WR's are so important we had a losing record with Marshall.

    I know, I know, it takes more than WRs to win......(slowly, R&R's mind becomes blown)
     
  31. Clipse

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    Marshall. That's one WR. Most of the great teams have THREE dynamic pass catchers. We had one with an issue with drops, and nothing else. Getting a QB is priority number 1. Getting several pass catchers is undoubtedly priority #2. And at this point, there's no franchise QB out there. Maybe Tannehill. A big maybe. These idiots running this team need to realize dynamic pass catchers, not cornfed linemen and runningbacks, are the top priority in today's NFL. Wishful thinking though with those incompetents.
     
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  32. Ozzy

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    Michael Irvin almost went nuts when this comment came across his air waves. He said Jerry Rice totally disagrees with you..
     
  33. FanMarino

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    No offence but you talk garbage. ;-) Been reading your posts about how how the WR position isn't that important. Total tosh.
     
  34. Ozzy

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    So because you feel Marshall's 9 TD's means he did not produce it makes it an honest statement? Sorry but Marshall produced just fine, and especially last season. So no, its not about honestly. It's about ones opinion and yours is not written in gold. Nor is mine.


    What we had with Pennington was a good Qb and no big threats at Wr. They ran thru a fairly easy schedule and got knocked the snot out of in the Playoffs. Now if they had a serious weapon at Wr, they could have made some noise in the playoffs.

    No # 1 Wr in Philbins offense? I beg to differ with that one BUT what he did have was a #1 in Driver for years and a bunch of SOLID Wr's after that. A Wr corps that was better than Miami's even with Marshall. Get some solid Qb play, TE play, and add an excellent Wr and this offense will be rolling quickly. Fix the defensive holes you speak of and this team will, once again, be boring, and losing ....

    Yes there are a couple of holes on defense but I'm betting they address Wr with a first day pick. Hell, they might have a better chance at upgrading Wr than getting that all ellusive Qb of the future with this draft. Why? Because it's loaded with them.
     
  35. Fin D

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    Thanks for the in depth commentary. It was awesome and helpful. Way to contribute.
     
  36. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    Chris Chambers best year here, wiped the floor with Marshall's last year. Chris Chambers. Same yards, twice the TDs. Chris Chambers.

    So because you say Marshall did produce, it makes it an honest statement....when his stats show he didn't?


    I don't care if you agree with what Philbin said, take it up with him. Fact is, an awesome QB makes his WR not the other way around. Megatron languished in Detroit...and still is.
     
  37. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    LEAST IMPORTANT???

    Hartline has 1 td in the past 26 games
    Bess had 3 tds and 537 yards receiving
    Gates had 2 receptions and 19 yards receiving
    Moore had ZERO yards receiving
    Pruitt had ZERO receiving yards
    Wallace had ZERO receiving yards

    6 receivers with just barely over 1000 yards between them and 4 tds

    16 players in the NFL had more yards receiving than the 6 receivers we have combined

    62 individual players had more tds than our combined 6 receivers

    If you don't think wide receiver is the least important problem we have you better double check on that again
     
  38. Ozzy

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    OMG man, I cannot believe you just compared Chambers to Marshall!


    BTW, Philbin never said he did not want Marshall. Not once so save it
     
  39. Fin D

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    Chambers 2005[table="width: 500, class: grid"]
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    Yeah, its an insult to compare Marshall and Chambers....to Chambers. Again, Chambers MOPS THE FLOOR with Marshall last year.

    Basically, all you guys are losing your **** over less production than Chris Chambers.

    Chris Chambers.

    That is all.

    Chris Chambers.
     
  40. Ozzy

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    Im sure glad I've seen enough to know better than to compare the two but again. WOW!!! He really mopped the floor with him!!! Wow!!! Holy crap, Chris Chambers was better than Brandon Marshall for one season. So much so, he mopped the damned floor with him.......lmao!!

    Yet you've failed to dig deeper into how each season played out. How Marshall gets doubled, and in many cases, shadowed by a third defender because the rest of the Wr's can be covered by a single defender. Chambers didn't come close to having as good a season. Not close.


    And you need to stop making crap up about me losing my mind over the loss of Marshall. I've said it over and over. If they want to trade him, have a replacement and I'm betting they do or this team is SCREWED!!
     

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