Our Cap Space

Just keep in mind thats also 5 players you have to replace. Even though those guys have been below expectations at least 4 of them (except Ellerbe) have been valuable contributors and will need starters to be drafted or signed to replace them. Thats really not a lot of space if youre planning on doing that via FA.

If we sign Lupati for 6 years 49.000.000$ with 20.000.000$ from That Guaranteed we have still about 21.000.000$ in Cap Space.

i would some Players and draft some..Just look at Dallas they have finally a great oline and Romo is being Fantastic

I'm surprised that as it stands today we are over the projected cap this coming year. I thought we had some space.

You guys who keep advocating for Wheeler being cut realize that we gain almost no cap space by doing so, right?

Do the math

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

You guys who keep advocating for Wheeler being cut realize that we gain almost no cap space by doing so, right?

You would make him a post June 1 cut if you do cut him.

If I'm understanding the June 1 cuts correctly, we still are basically stuck with him.

Ireland was terrible

"dolfan40 wrote:

If we sign Lupati for 6 years 49.000.000$ with 20.000.000$ from That Guaranteed we have still about 21.000.000$ in Cap Space.

Personally, I'd rather give a big contract to Iupati as a UFA than to Pouncey as a re-sign. If it was an either/or thing.

"Unlucky 13 wrote:

You guys who keep advocating for Wheeler being cut realize that we gain almost no cap space by doing so, right?

Cutting Wheeler to save $200k would be incredibly stupid. Even if he does not start, it would be worth having him as a reserve more than saving a measly $200k.

In a post June 1 cut, the dead money would be cut between two years.

Half in 2015 and half in 2016. We'd wind up saving $2.3M or something like that this year. I forget the exact numbers off the top of my head, on my phone at the moment.

"Boik14 wrote:

Just keep in mind thats also 5 players you have to replace. Even though those guys have been below expectations at least 4 of them (except Ellerbe) have been valuable contributors and will need starters to be drafted or signed to replace them. Thats really not a lot of space if youre planning on doing that via FA.

Those guys are overpaid. With that money we can get players that are actually worth that much or break bank for 2 or 3 really good players.

Also Matt Moore leaving in free agency saves money. That guy the highest paid back up QB in the league. And other guys that won't be resigned by the team will create more cap.

Each team has the option to designate 2 players as June 1st cuts in March. If Ellerbe and Wheeler are designated according to OTC we would gain $11 450 000 in cap room, but would take a bigger hit of dead money the following offseason (one that you might be trying to fit in a new deal for Tannehill).

I got the team down to $30,708,823 in cap room with my cuts (not sure if OTC counts the $8 million in rollover we have coming or not).

We could get even nuttier if we were willing to pull the trigger on 2 players people would call me nuts to move on from (one due to age whose due to fall off a cliff at anytime and the other that I'm not sure he can regain his prior form and can get away with going cheaper at his position). That would get us to $45,046,823, but it would be ballsy and cause endless debate with those 2 that I shall not name.

"VanDolPhan wrote:

Each team has the option to designate 2 players as June 1st cuts in March. If Ellerbe and Wheeler are designated according to OTC we would gain $11 450 000 in cap room, but would take a bigger hit of dead money the following offseason (one that you might be trying to fit in a new deal for Tannehill).

I got the team down to $30,708,823 in cap room with my cuts (not sure if OTC counts the $8 million in rollover we have coming or not).

We could get even nuttier if we were willing to pull the trigger on 2 players people would call me nuts to move on from (one due to age whose due to fall off a cliff at anytime and the other that I'm not sure he can regain his prior form and can get away with going cheaper at his position). That would get us to $45,046,823, but it would be ballsy and cause endless debate with those 2 that I shall not name.

U talking about Wake and Grimes????

I think we will be fine in Cap we grossly overpaid for Ellerbe and Wheeler...

I think Mike Wallace would restructure he wants to win and if he can help withrestructuring he will

I remember we had SOOO much cap space two years ago, and now we're pretty much projected (for now) to be over the cap, with a carryover, and we still haven't resigned Tanny.

The only real way out of this is to have rookies and draft picks start producing.

"Phins Up Wins Up wrote:

Also Matt Moore leaving in free agency saves money. That guy the highest paid back up QB in the league. And other guys that won't be resigned by the team will create more cap.

since he is not under contract for next year, the "savings" are already calculated, so we save nothing

"dolfan40 wrote:

U talking about Wake and Grimes????

I think we will be fine in Cap we grossly overpaid for Ellerbe and Wheeler...

I think Mike Wallace would restructure he wants to win and if he can help withrestructuring he will

Are you suggesting that he simply accept a big pay cut? Because with as many years left on his contract, and the way its structured, I can't see another way that would be possible. I definately don't see Wallace simply saying "sure, pay me a lot less"

Why would Wallace do this? I think he doesn't. Maybe if we made the playoffs and RT could throw him a long ball he would do it, but just to do it without some sort of future benefit mixed in...I think he doesn't.

"Phins Up Wins Up wrote:

Also Matt Moore leaving in free agency saves money. That guy the highest paid back up QB in the league. And other guys that won't be resigned by the team will create more cap.

Guys that won't be re-signed do not create more cap space since they aren't factored in to begin with. They'll also need to replace them which cuts into the available cap space we have, so even if they sign a cheaper back-up QB than Moore they're essentially not saving money relative to the cap space they have, but only saving money relative to the position.

"PhinGeneral wrote:

Guys that won't be re-signed do not create more cap space since they aren't factored in to begin with. We'll also need to replace them, which cuts into the available cap space we have, so even if they sign a cheaper back-up QB than Moore they're essentially not saving money relative to the cap space we have.

You're right. I still want Moore gone ASAP. Ideally, I'd like to draft a long term backup QB in the 4th or 5th rounds, but thats a bit of a gamble. Signing someone who knows that their days as a starter are over is a good move as long as they aren't expensive. Every dollar wasted on the backup QB is a dollar you can't spend somewhere else.

"dolfan40 wrote:

U talking about Wake and Grimes????

I think we will be fine in Cap we grossly overpaid for Ellerbe and Wheeler...

I think Mike Wallace would restructure he wants to win and if he can help withrestructuring he will

Keep in mind, restructuring usually doesn't mean a pay cut. It means putting the cap burden off until future years, which I highly doubt they'll want to do when they'll need to re-sign Tannehill soon. I also think they'd just as soon get out of the Wallace contract after 2015.

"dolfan40 wrote:

U talking about Wake and Grimes????

I think we will be fine in Cap we grossly overpaid for Ellerbe and Wheeler...

I think Mike Wallace would restructure he wants to win and if he can help withrestructuring he will

Wake and Pouncey. Wake would be great if we were already a playoff caliber team. Were not and there is still value for him, but athletic freaks like him fade fast and I don't buy that lack of wear and tear argument. Pouncey I'm just wondering if he's plain worth the money at this point. I've always thought we've overrated him around here and wondered if we couldn't do about the same for cheaper. Someone like Brian De La Puente for the short term whose 30 but has had several strong seasons in a row. Or see if we can't get Stefen Wisniewski out of Oakland if he wants out of there (better $$ spent). All depends on whether you trust Hickey to get max value for them and then draft well with those picks and whether you think Pouncey bounces back and finally starts playing to his talent level. Would give the team $45 million in cap room + extra picks. Could even stash some of that cap for the eventual Tannehill extension.

As for Wallace nothing is changing there. Your not getting away with asking a 10 TD guy to take a pay cut and you really don't want that contract pushed back further.

Much as I dislike Jerrah, you have to give it to him...he has drafted well enough that his OL is one of, if not the best in the league... That is exactly what Ireland has done to us...now we HAVE to spend in FA while waiting for our younger guys to blossom (if they do)... It'll take 2-3 years to 'fix' this roster and get us back to being able to draft BPA instead of having to look at need at every draft slot...