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I thought the ref kick was a slight move on their part to try and actually turn him a bit. I think it just failed because like I said it's hard to take seriously.

 

No that kick was suppose to put more heel heat on Bryan. And I agree, I've never been a fan Sheamus fan. Sure he has a unique look but he's not very good with the mike and he's just ok in the ring. If he wasn't friends with Triple H I doubt he would have gotten the pushes he has.

Speaking of pushes, the WWE puts Lord Albert over Cena and the guy still gets crickets during his matches. The WWE should have him win the US title from Santino and move him to Smackdown so they can pipe in fan reactions and try to get him heat that way because it's just not working over on RAW. Meanwhile there was another wrestler on the RAW roster that got a big pop yet the WWE isn't doing anything with and they still haven't come up with anything meaningful for Ziggler to do in 4 months now. But please continue trying to push the Kane/Orton PPV match, I'm sure there's probably 1 person in the world that is going to buy the PPV just for that match.

 

Kane vs Orton. Does Kane even have any "fans"?

 

It was against the Dudleys but Taker let the cement finish him off I believe, it was so long ago I can't remember. I would love it if a year from now they come back to Detroit and a backstage segment with Santino or someone and they hear banging near the freezer and its Paul Bearra frozen or something because he still in there

 

That would be pretty awesome actually


Random as hell but funny:

 

Yeah I think you're right and yes it would be awesome if they did that the next time they're in Detroit.

 

I really enjoyed Mark Henry as a monster heel last year. It could have been just because he was beating up Randy Orton but still... I liked it.

 

Agreed. I was never a Henry fan but he was very solid last year. The WWE did a really good job building him up.

 

Alex your sig is hilarious. I am thinking of bringing back the manifesto's full time this year again. Here's hoping more threads get put in the hall of fame.

 

Secure your rightful place in it!

 

Rumor has it that Beth is NOT actually hurt and is a work to why she would lose the title... If true they really fooled me, thought it was legin

 

Yeah word is the Bellas are leaving the company soon and the WWE wants to put the title on Kharma without having Beth wrestle her yet.

 

Note to self: Find out where they are going and watch them not in a stalker way....

 

Nooooooooooooooooooooo

 

Ok since we're talking so much about Divas already, who's everyone's all time favorite? Mine has to be Stacy Kiebler for the looks department and Trish Stratus for the in ring skills, although she was a looker herself. It's truly amazing how good Trish Stratus got in the ring for just being another typical model they signed.

 

Sunny was my favorite diva ever. Trish was obviously the best combo of wrestling talent and looks, but Sunny always did it for me and was really the first true Dive of the modern era.

Trish is almost responsible for the decline of women's wrestling. Her success pretty much convinced the WWE that they could simply train models to be wrestlers as opposed to signing actual female wrestlers.

Rey Misterio was suspended for a second time for violating the Wellness Policy. My guess is he juiced to try and effort his comeback. It's sad because he is one of those names that pretty much transcends at this point, yet...he feels the need to rush and do this. Oh well, don't look for him until about Summerslam.

 

I was actually more of a Sable guy but yes Sunny is certainly responsible for the Diva boom. I think it's weird going back and watching old PPVs from 1996 and 1997 that once the Smoking Gunns lost the Tag titles, the WWE never really had plans for Sunny, she was almost useless. She was just used for the Hotline phone number during the PPVs. I wonder if it was because of her personal problems that the WWF never pared her up with another superstar or tag team (I don't really count her 2 month managing LOD2000 gig) or they simply just couldn't think of something for her.

Regarding Mysterio, is it his 2nd or 3rd time? You're probably right about why he was doing it. It's a shame because he was so much better when he was younger and lighter (although to be fair he was much healthier then too).

 

Not sure why they never paired Sunny up with anyone else. She sort of just...floated. Guest ref, t-shirt girl, etc. My guess is that once HBK was done with her, and with all of his influence, she sort of got pushed to the background due to the politics. That and Sable was banging McMahon which led to her getting the prime diva spot in the company.

It's sad about Misterio for a number of reasons, but mainly because him getting bigger is actually a detriment his character and why we all root for him. Not to mention that the roids probably are partially responsible for some of his injuries.

 

I'm surprised they didn't keep Sunny with Billy Gunn once the Gunns split up, the WWF had high hopes for Gunn and she would have been able to keep some heat on him. Or like you said give her someone random to try and help get him over. I know they teased her teaming with Rocky Maivia or Brian Pillman shortly after they debuted but it's just weird to think they just let her float around doing nothing. Or even put her with Triple H after Mr. Perfect left, then she could have aided in his feud with Mero and Sable then Goldust and Terri. Of course in retrospect bringing Chyna in helped save and make Triple H's career (along with Mick Foley putting him over numerous times in 2000 and the stuff with Stephanie).

 

I guess being tight with HHH had its advantages for Sheamus tonight. Lame. Sheamus doesn't need to be a champion, it's boring.


Wow I'm pretty glad I'm not Cena.

 

The Cena-Lesnar match made me wonder one thing... How can they have a believable match between Lesnar and CM Punk now. If Lesnar was this dominate against Cena then he should kill Punk. I think the WWE went to far in the UFC domination Lesnar role. This is not UFC. Also no way Rock faces Lesnar. Not like this at least

Also I loved the Goldberg chants in the Ryback match

 

Also if Lesnar lost to Cena why even deserve a match against Punk who BEAT Cena repeatedly.

Overall thoughts:

Kane vs Orton: Decent match but the storyline needs to be over. There is nothing left to milk out of it if there ever even was. Also nice job burying Ryder without even having to put him in the ring.

Clay vs Ziggler: Push for Clay or burying Ziggler farther?

Ryback vs Whoever they were: Uhhh yeaah.

Show vs Rhodes: Interesting, wondering where this is leading now that Cody has the title again.

Punk vs Jericho: Match really picked up as it went along. I hope the Jericho thing is over now. He lost twice.

Bella vs Layla: Eye candy match

Cena vs Lesnar: Fun to watch but I have no idea where they are going with this now....

Sheamus vs Bryan: Best match IMO but I think Bryan should have beaten Sheamus. I really don't like Sheamus at all.

 

Didn't see the PPV only read the results and heard it was awesome especially Sheamus/Bryan and Brock/Cena. But why have Cena beat Brock? I realize W/L records are meaningless but why have Brock job in his first match? Isn't the reason you sign Lesnar is to have him dominate and go unbeaten until WM where you have someone finally beat him, thus making the win (and possibly title) mean more?

And Brock is going to beat Punk for the title, it's only a matter of time. Cena is apparently going on a mini vacation to heal some nagging injuries and rest up, that's a smart decision on the WWE's part and Cena deserves it. Love him or hate him he brings the goods in big matches.

Now get ready for those Sheamus vs. Del Rio title matches for the next 3 months....

 

Lesnar absolutely DESTROYED Cena the entire match. The whole thing made no sense to watch.

 

So the WWE and Brock will go with the whole "I didn't care about winning the match, I just wanted to beat up and get rid of Cena. So a lost big deal, who's still standing?" thing. Again it works because Brock is a monster and it's easy to build him back up plus fans believe Brock is dangerous.

 

Word is Triple H is returning to RAW tonight. I'd be shocked if he wasn't involved in some way with Brock. Would the WWE dare put Triple H over Lesnar too?

 

I think Cena needed the win more than a returning Brock. Cena has lost quite a bit recently and I suppose, you could do the same ending with Cena losing then taking time off to get his head and body straight, but the story that was told was fantastic.

Brock beat the crap out of Cena. Refused to use weapons and only lost when Cena used a chain and stairs. So basically, Brock can claim that he kicked his *** in a fight but Cena had to use everything but the kitchen sink to eek out a win. And at the end of the day, Brock is still standing while Cena ran away.

The rumor is Orton vs. Brock for Summer Slam so I assume that they will build ot that soon enough, considering tha tBrock only has to work a certain amount of dates per month.

 

I think you guys look way to far into ” putting a wrestler over”. The w doesn't matter so much as the story

 

Most of the time this is true. Which is why I didn't have an issue with Sheamus beating Bryan because they put on a hell of a match (and hence the huge outrage at their WM match being only 18 seconds, if last night's match happened at WM then Del Rio is facing Sheamus last night and Bryan doesn't get super over and even more popular than he was) or didn't care about the outcomes of either the Punk/Jericho matches or even Rock/Cena match. As long as it's a good match it really doesn't matter who wins unless of course the outcome hurts the product in the long term like having The Undertaker lose at WM.

And yes for the most part W and L are meaningless now but there are times when a wrestler really needs a win but never gets it and thus ends up looking like a chump and killing his heat and utlimately his character (Lex Luger in 1993 & 1994 for example or Booker T and Rob Van Dam in 2002 and 2003). Another example is CM Punk losing to both Del Rio and Triple H when he was super red hot in the summer of 2011, it hurt his push and one could even argue still is (let's face it Punk has been treated like a second fiddle since Summer Slam when he should be the main focus of the company).

It looks like McMahon wanted Cena to beat Brock so he can stroke his ego and brag that his biggest WWE superstar beat one of the biggest UFC stars. Having Cena beat Brock could do more harm than good because what's the upside of Cena winning? He's already over with the crowd, the win does nothing for him. But the harm is greater. Let's just say the fans crap all over Brock now because he lost to Cena in his 1st match back. That's not only 5 million dollars down the drain (what Brock is guaranteed to be getting) as well as all the possible money the WWE can draw with Brock until his deal runs out. It just didn't make much sense.

 

Brock is going to go through the whole WWE roster at some point leading up to his WM match against Rock or Undertaker. You'd think the WWE would want to run a CM Punk vs. Brock title match for Summer Slam so I'd have to think Brock beats Punk at one of the upcoming PPVs.

 

I don't think you feed Punk to Brock that early though. Having him against Orton gives Orton something to do (he has been spinning his wheels for quite awhile) but is also one of the 'marquee' matches that they can run with Brock. Plus, you have a built in story about how Orton one upped Brock by becoming the youngest champ in company history. Brock can basically make his mission statement of coming back to be that no one is as bad as him. First Cena, now Orton. Let him set his sights on the top of the WWE card since his absence and ultimately ending with Undertaker (it makes more sense than Rock in my opinion). Brock kills Punk dead around Survivor Series to take the title, runs through the WWE through the Royal Rumble and then says no one can beat him. Lights go out, Wrestlemania logo pops on the screen and the Undertaker gong goes off to end a Raw.

UT wins at WM, retiring Brock, taking the title and hopefully retiring himself.

 

I'm on board with all of this but I just think Punk is next on Brock's list. I don't agree with it but I think that's who's next, unless the rumors are true that Brock's next opponent will be Triple H. I'd have Brock vs. Punk headline Summer Slam and give him Orton at Survivor Series. And yes I agree Brock vs. Taker is the money match for WM. Let Rock wrestle someone like Punk.

 

I don't like the idea of Undertaker vs Lesnar with Lesnar as champion at WM. I'd rather Brock say he doesn't give a **** about the title. He's only trying to bring pain.

I don't mind Brock being champion but wouldn't care for it as WM vs Taker.

 

Having Brock as champion would actually help raise the importance of the World Title, especially if he wins it and holds the belt for 6 to 9 months before WM. Then you can have The Undertaker win the belt, retire and hold a WWE World title tournament at the next PPV (of course then the title gets devalued again) but it would make those main event World title matches mean something because Brock is a special wrestler so him as champion automatically raises the stakes. Or have The Rock come back beat Brock and then lose the title at the next PPV to the next guy.

By Brock saying he doesn't care about the title, the WWE might as well just throw the thing in the trash. I mean the World title as it is is worthless. When was the last time a World Title match closed a PPV? Punk has been the champion since November and only main evented 1 PPV (which was a meaningless December PPV). The main events since then have been the Rumble match, Cena vs. Kane (!!!!), The Rock vs. John Cena and Brock vs. Cena. The title match SHOULD almost always be the most important match on the card and it hasn't been since Summer Slam (and the WWE devalued the title with the Del Rio win right after).

The first step to get people interested in the product again is to not only create interesting stories that have matches that deliver but to make the titles mean something again. The tag team titles are worthless (I could be one half of the WWE tag team champions but wouldn't even know it), the IC title hasn't been meaningful since 2002. The US title never had any meaning. The World Heavyweight belt is worthless too. Build up the titles please.

Having Brock as champion asap will be a big, big help.

 

One thing to keep in mind about the World Titles is that they will never mean what they used to. Jim Ross even gave a great speech at the C.A.C. and said as much, telling fans to "let it go."

But, I do think it makes sense to have Brock be the champ. Even if he didn't care about the title. If he truly comes in and runs through the roster, it stands to reason that eventually he will get the title based on running through the champ at some point. Taker is more important to the legacy of the WWE than arguably anyone else, so breaking the rules and letting him leave as champion instead of putting someone over would be a nice tip of the cap to the long time loyal veteran and leader. At least in my opinion.

 

If you saw the PPV you'd realize that none of Lesnars matches are going to be interesting. They overdid it. The belt is going to be extremely meaningless on him.

Like I said though I don't have a problem with Brock as champ. I have issues with him as champ facing Taker.

 

I finally saw the match tonight. Not sure what you didn't like about it but I enjoyed it. I thought Brock came off really well and Cena took a beating like a pro. I still think giving Cena the win was the wrong move but I was entertained. Can't wait to see what else Brock will do in the ring.

As far as the belt being meaningless on him, which champion is the belt meaningful on? At least with Brock he will add credibility to it.

Why do you have issues with him as champion facing The Undertaker? It's one of the true money/dream matches left, yes I know Brock and Taker wrestled each other in 2002 and put on some very good interesting matches but that was over 10 years ago and fans will pay to see this match. Plus by the time WM rolls around Brock will have wrestled everyone on the roster but Taker and probably Rock.

 

Kane vs. Great Khali on RAW, it's like the WWE is punishing me for some reason.

 

Love to have been a fly on the wall in creative when they decided to give Truth and Kofi the belts, especially if Michael Hayes was doing the pitch.

 

1) Because if Lesnar does that to anyone else they will die. I hate one sided matches where one person dominates. I didn't dislike the match BTW....I dislike where it leads with the story.

2) I thought the titles were/are meaningful on Bryan and Punk. The only reason they don't seem that way is because WWE for some reason refuses to promote it that way. It isnt about who has it. It's about how they book it.

3) I don't mind Lesnar vs Taker but not for the WWE title. If Lesnar has run through everyone but loses to Taker, who retires, and both leave the company what was the point? It makes it seem like the two best/most legitimate wrestlers are gone at once. If Lesnar resigns but loses the title and Taker vacates it....why not just give the title back to Lesnar? It just doesn't make sense to me. I hate vacated titles to begin with.


Truth/Kingston tag champs. Maybe they can help make a legit tag division again.