Why? I don't understand why they are off? He knew he would have suitors. The guy is a good player. When you tell someone you are going to do something, you do it. You don't walk away.
He might have been looking at Philly but was Philly talking to him when GS made a push for him? See a timeline for this would be great because it either shows Brand is two faced player or that he took a better opportunity.
ahh let the clipper fans be bitter I wont blame them...they lost a good player. I wasnt too pumped when AI went to Denver at first so I know how it feels x2.
I think Baron Davis feels like a kid who went trick or treating and he opened the bag went he got home and got the crappy candy.
He told the Clippers he'd take less money to come back if they got Davis. They couldnt have signed him without Brands help, and they only went after him because they believed Brand when he said he'd come back for less money. They wouldnt have renounced his rights otherwise and they could have offered a 6th year and more money.
Which essentially means he broke his word. If causing a franchise and its owner to cater to your every demands to get your word and throwing your word out the window when someone else slips in is not a messed up thing to do, I don't want to think about what's really messed up then. Is what he said to Davis/Clippers is that insignificant that it can be "thrown out"? He essentially torpedoed a man's career and a franchise when he broke his word. When you give your word, you have to follow through. That's the right thing to do. What Brand did, morally isn't.
Philly said they would pursue him right after Josh Smith left town I believe, which was last week. According to Rich Bucher, there were multiple NBA sources that stated that the Warriors never offered Brand the contract. The same thing occurred when it was reported that they offered Arenas $101 million. Arenas said he was never offered anything by GS.
I don't think any of these deals are official until TOMORROW...nothing has been signed yet. I think Baron Davis could actually back out and head back to G-State....not very likely, but you never know??? The problem is all these moves affect other guys and their deals.
Sure did. Sterling certainly wouldn't have made that big a splash if Brand didn't send an ultimatum because Sterling absolutely wanted Brand to stay and was willing to do anything reasonable. Baron Davis is no idiot. Brand coerced him into joining him and then left. Agreed. Davis is not a Dukie. He gave his word to sign and so far, I think he will keep his word like a man.
FA started at midnight. I wouldn't be surprised to see Davis go back to GS. They still need a PG. My guess is that they probably have about $14-$16 million in cap room so they could still offer the same contract to Davis that LA offered.
According to the LA Times every time the Clippers went to Brand with an offer his agent would take it to Philly. It sounds to me like they were playing the Clippers to get Philly to come to the table with a little more money. I think he wanted to go there from the beginning. http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/clippers/la-sp-heisler9-2008jul09,0,4763658.column
He cant take back opting out of his GS contract, and they never came to him with a long term offer; which is why he signed with the Clippers. He isnt going back to GS, though he could not sign with the Clippers and look for another team. Though the only other team with money just signed Brand, so he's kind of out of options.
Even the media is giving him hell already. BK, that's why we are bashing him and probably will for a long period.
Telling a team he'll sign and then backing out to find something better is a messed up thing to do. Oh wait...
Why won't he go back to GS? He can still leave the Clippers offer on the table, he verbally agreed. GS would welcome him back. My guess is that they probably have about $14-$16 million in cap room so they could still offer the same contract to Davis that LA offered.
From a strictly basketball standpoint what he did makes sense. He gets a little more money, gets to go back to the East coast, and gets to play for arguably a better team. What he did is still f'ed up though, and what makes it worse it that he was known as being such a good guy. He'd destroyed that reputation with people in LA today.
He possibly got less money. Clippers were going to offer him a 5 year, $85 million dollar deal with a possible no-trade clause. I agree with everything else.
I dont know they wouldnt have offered a similar deal at the time if they wanted him. He opted out hoping it would spark GS to come to him with a long term deal and they didnt. They apparently dont want him very badly. I suppose maybe they changed their minds, but Davis didnt opt out hoping to leave. He left because once he opted out they never called him, or tried to sign him.
Yeah, the LAT article I posted mentioned they were going to offer 81 mill but Brands agent wouldnt take the FO's call, so they never actually got to extend the offer. 75, 81 or 85, either way it clearly wasnt the money that made him leave.
Yeah, I think he's out of their plans now. They had like $12 million in cap. Most of it probably went towards Brand. It was reported that Josh Childress was going to visit Philly on Monday, the 7th.
Sorry I was reading an article by Chad Ford..I thought they couldn't actually ink the contract's until after midnight tonight (12:01 am Wednesday??). Ford made it sound like the Clippers had locked up Elton Brand. Ooops. Now the Sixers have to decide what to do with Iggy....I think they will keep AI2 but he won't be getting the cash he turned down from them last year.
I know the sixers have been trying to get him a nice long contract for a while now. Last I read was that they were not worried about it because they were confident they would get something worked out.
Haha, you mean that little sentence crammed in a bunch of other posts? Sorry I missed it. I don't doubt that Brand made a good choice HAD he not already given his word and forced a team to bend over backwards for him. That is truly Boozer-esque. I guess Clippers could push but AI's restricted I believe.
True. But one thing that we have not looked at through this whole bashing is his side and the Clippers. Brands side: Brand wants/wanted to play on the East coast. Now you have to ask yourself, do you think the Clippers would want Brand to live up to his word BUT not be happy playing in LA for the next five years? Also, do they want to see a possible demanded trade by Brand, two years from now? I say yes, you want him to live up to his word but don't want him here if he's not going to be happy. We have to look at both sides. I think that Brand made the decision that he felt was the best for him and the most comfortable. Obviously this wasn't completely a positive thing for the Clippers but they did possibly avoid a hell-like situation.
baron davis just cant say oh no i dont agree....it doesn't work like that or the indiana would've backed out of the bayless trade and kept him....
Sorry I missed this post. I think they could change their minds. They are looking at possibly losing Monta Ellis in the next year and they are relying on Ellis to play point this year if he does stick. If Ellis is gone, who do they look to? I think they would accept Davis back for that reason. I thought they were discussing a deal but they couldn't work it out?
Well, if he demands a trade, at least the Clips can get something out of it. They end up with nothing now. And you know even if he's not happy, he'll still have to play hard or eat pine (unlikely) because that's his character or still may be. If Brand wanted to play for East so badly, he shouldn't have told the Clippers to sign Davis and do all the things he asked for. The fault is on Brand, not the Clippers. If you tell a team you'll stay, you better f'ing stay and be happy about it because you're the one who tied the noose. Instead, you tie the noose and hang a friend and a franchise in it. It's not hell to have an unhappy Brand (they had an unhappy Brand for most of a year or so anyways). It's hell to not have anything at all. It's like if a terrorist threatens to bomb a building for money, gets the money, and blows it up anyways.
I think they were working on a deal before, but never anything long term. Then I thought I read Davis or his agent say once he opted out they never contacted him. I could be mistaken though. And the situation with Ellis could make them revisit Davis, but it doesnt sound like Davis is going to go back on his word.
