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Oboyluxury_box"Skeet84 wrote:
Ummmm Wow! This video is awesome
Great video! Someone emailed me it last night, but did not see until this morning! Gotta love that Spikes and Tebow are back for next season too!
BuckeyeKingNew MemberIs this true about Carl Johnson?
http://www.collegefootballtalk.com/2009/02/17/date-rape-behind-restraining-order/
How sad if it is :pity:
my 2 centsforum_veteran"BuckeyeKing wrote:
Is this true about Carl Johnson?
http://www.collegefootballtalk.com/2009/02/17/date-rape-behind-restraining-order/
How sad if it is :pity:
This guy seriously has a screw loose....he is well known in "the building" as an unstable personality...this comes as no real surprise to most inside the building. There are also some other issues with regard to other players that may come to light rather soon. I will not speculate or "report" third party info but I would watch for some revelations coming from G'town soon.
Skeet84New Member“It would be really great to get an offer from a school like UGA,” he said. “But my dream school would be Florida. I lived in Tampa before moving to Columbus, and my parents and sister all went to Florida.”
I know its slow Gator fans but this is good news.
I am also not sold on the Carl Johnson thing yet either. Been hearing from a couple of friends in Gainesville this girl may just be a liar. Carl Johnson has had another G/F for 2 months. Lets just see it played out. If he is guilty he needs to go, But lets not hang the guy yet.
my 2 centsforum_veteran"Skeet84 wrote:
I know its slow Gator fans but this is good news.
I am also not sold on the Carl Johnson thing yet either. Been hearing from a couple of friends in Gainesville this girl may just be a liar. Carl Johnson has had another G/F for 2 months. Lets just see it played out. If he is guilty he needs to go, But lets not hang the guy yet.
We should all try and let thing play out but we also know that generally guys with CJ's reputation usually are what they are....hope it works out for him more because I hate to see ANY kid blow great opportunities to become better people.....
Oboyluxury_box"my 2 cents wrote:
We should all try and let thing play out but we also know that generally guys with CJ's reputation usually are what they are....hope it works out for him more because I hate to see ANY kid blow great opportunities to become better people.....
Truthfully, it is easy to believe either side. Some people just want the attention so she could be lying. Or sometimes these kids just can't help themselves.
Even though, staying on a bus too long? That seems a bit excessive. I know there was a court order, but if he was not doing anything other than riding the bus when she was on it (which is the story I heard). Then this whole thing is silly. He should be allowed to ride the bus. Now if there was more to it...
my 2 centsforum_veteran"Oboy wrote:
Truthfully, it is easy to believe either side. Some people just want the attention so she could be lying. Or sometimes these kids just can't help themselves.
Even though, staying on a bus too long? That seems a bit excessive. I know there was a court order, but if he was not doing anything other than riding the bus when she was on it (which is the story I heard). Then this whole thing is silly. He should be allowed to ride the bus. Now if there was more to it...
There is the line we try to walk with being open minded, fair, politically correct, and those nice things because generally we want kids to do well in life. Then we have our captain obvious thoughts that we do not want to convey...especially publically.
There are a couple other posts that suggest they hear differently in G'ville about CJ...I also know people in G'ville...now I do not anyone that saw or has third party information about the incident....I simply do not, so i will not comment one way or the other about the specifics of this incident...... I will tell you I know people one of which works with/near CJ 3-5 times a week during the season and 2-3 other semesters........ and I have gotten not one story, not one ioda of support, not one he is misunderstood or he is a nice guy......they have all been this guy is #1 a moron, #2 unstable...and #3 dangerous....now I will not and cannot offer ANY comment or opinion on specific situation...but a guy with his history and his rap even in the best case scenario has got to be a little bit smarter that even what is being reported in best case scenario......personally I do not think they guy was there to buy her a java....
If this were a Nole, Cane player or any other school not well liked by the media this would be on ESPN in a loop...and I seriously...seriously doubt that Gator fans on rivals and on here would be so quick to give the young man the "benefit of the doubt".... we get carried away with our allegiances, our own rooting interests and struggle to balance political correctness with the obvious....but lets hope this kid gets himself together and #1 does not kill anyone, and #2 offers a positive contribution to our society and has a positive life......
Kids are kids whatever the color of their uniform or where they attend school and some issues cut deeper than college football. Many of them (us) change/grow up in college and with life events, so I see no reason why CJ cannot even if he did do these things......but I do think the Captain Obvious in me thinks that this kid is dangerous if not guilty in court.......................
my 2 centsforum_veteran"Oboy wrote:
Truthfully, it is easy to believe either side. Some people just want the attention so she could be lying. Or sometimes these kids just can't help themselves.
Even though, staying on a bus too long? That seems a bit excessive. I know there was a court order, but if he was not doing anything other than riding the bus when she was on it (which is the story I heard). Then this whole thing is silly. He should be allowed to ride the bus. Now if there was more to it...
I lived in Charlotte and knew a Panther player pretty well....I would point out that Cherika Adams situation was thought to be "silly" by CMPD because her boyfriend was a Panther and some others......if you do not know who Cherika Adams is you can google her obituary or Rae Carruth...
You and I agree on many things and are buds OB...so respectfully...but in NO FREAKIN WAY WILL I EVER .... EVER....say, condone or support that threatening to kill someone is "silly"....Cane player, Gator player or Slippery Rock player..........sure he can ride a bus...not her bus......people do kill people...threats are not always just threats...sometimes they are promises.
Oboyluxury_box"my 2 cents wrote:
There is the line we try to walk with being open minded, fair, politically correct, and those nice things because generally we want kids to do well in life. Then we have our captain obvious thoughts that we do not want to convey...especially publically.
There are a couple other posts that suggest they hear differently in G'ville about CJ...I also know people in G'ville...now I do not anyone that saw or has third party information about the incident....I simply do not, so i will not comment one way or the other about the specifics of this incident...... I will tell you I know people one of which works with/near CJ 3-5 times a week during the season and 2-3 other semesters........ and I have gotten not one story, not one ioda of support, not one he is misunderstood or he is a nice guy......they have all been this guy is #1 a moron, #2 unstable...and #3 dangerous....now I will not and cannot offer ANY comment or opinion on specific situation...but a guy with his history and his rap even in the best case scenario has got to be a little bit smarter that even what is being reported in best case scenario......personally I do not think they guy was there to buy her a java....
If this were a Nole, Cane player or any other school not well liked by the media this would be on ESPN in a loop...and I seriously...seriously doubt that Gator fans on rivals and on here would be so quick to give the young man the "benefit of the doubt".... we get carried away with our allegiances, our own rooting interests and struggle to balance political correctness with the obvious....but lets hope this kid gets himself together and #1 does not kill anyone, and #2 offers a positive contribution to our society and has a positive life......
Kids are kids whatever the color of their uniform or where they attend school and some issues cut deeper than college football. Many of them (us) change/grow up in college and with life events, so I see no reason why CJ cannot even if he did do these things......but I do think the Captain Obvious in me thinks that this kid is dangerous if not guilty in court.......................
ALL very well may be true. I was just commenting on this one particular issue.
Careful in assuming all Gators would hang a guy if he did something like this in another uniform. :no: I, personally, am the first one to preface my comments with "IF true" when something derogatory happens to a college athlete. Regardless of school. Now, National Media? I am 100% with you on that. It does seem that ESPN likes to hang UM and to a lesser extent FSU.
I remember a few years ago when a certain cane took a dump in a girls closet. People were going crazy. My answer was lets wait until we hear both sides... Even though that situation was a bit easier to prove, there was some physical evidence.
I do agree with you Ray, It is a shame to see kids throw such good chances out the window. IF this is all true, I am sure CJ will probably be off the team before the first game. Really a shame.
Edit: the reason I bring up the closet dumping, some of the Cane fans I work with were comparing the two incidents yesterday. Which I just found humorous. Plus it just reminded me of the incident.
my 2 centsforum_veteran"Oboy wrote:
Careful in assuming all Gators would hang a guy if he did something like this in another uniform. :no:
Yeah I have a history of doing that with all groups ..it is just a tendency of mine to over generalize. Sorry and point taken......When I go to the rivals Gators site and 90% of the threads are in support of CJ, I really start to worry about our values as a society.....now in fairness you go to the Cane site and it is 90% against CJ (although a LOT less posts in general) so it is clear to see the bias on both sides..Gator fans and Gator haters...bottom line...threatning to kill someone, date rape, and stalking allegations (especially when you yourself state your life's goal is to kill someone......not a bright bulb this kid) are serious and more important than a football game or supporting a school....IMHO.....
As far as taking a George Bush in someone closet and not wiping your Barack Obama.......yeah.......not good, pretty immature but really does not come close to some of the allegations about CJ.......the sad part is that if charges are never filed or dismissed people will think this kid is good...and vise versa...if he is accused and it goes to court it does not matter if he did it or not his rep is done....think the NFL will red flag him....this is just sad allaround IMHO.......
Oboyluxury_box"my 2 cents wrote:
Yeah I have a history of doing that with all groups ..it is just a tendency of mine to over generalize. Sorry and point taken......When I go to the rivals Gators site and 90% of the threads are in support of CJ, I really start to worry about our values as a society.....now in fairness you go to the Cane site and it is 90% against CJ (although a LOT less posts in general) so it is clear to see the bias on both sides..Gator fans and Gator haters...bottom line...threatning to kill someone, date rape, and stalking allegations (especially when you yourself state your life's goal is to kill someone......not a bright bulb this kid) are serious and more important than a football game or supporting a school....IMHO.....
As far as taking a George Bush in someone closet and not wiping your Barack Obama.......yeah.......not good, pretty immature but really does not come close to some of the allegations about CJ.......the sad part is that if charges are never filed or dismissed people will think this kid is good...and vise versa...if he is accused and it goes to court it does not matter if he did it or not his rep is done....think the NFL will red flag him....this is just sad allaround IMHO.......
Agree 100% on all points! :hi5:
Sad part is whether guilty or not (in general not just this case), once accused in our society you will always be labeled.
rafaelforum_veteranUM earned their reputation with a combination of off-field problems and inappropriate on the field arrogance, brawls etc. Their supporters just called it swagger but it went beyond that. They basically acted like what you would expect thugs to act like and since it was on the field everybody saw it.
The Gators, on the other hand, don't engage in much on field taunting. Part of that may be the rule changes but regardless the fans don't get as much thuggish behavior thrown in their face. Their biggest marquis player is most known (off-field) for his good works. Meyer and the Gators also work as mentors for African Americans, etc.
The point is that the Gators have too many arrests but they are mostly to less prominent players. That is balanced by good acts by more prominent players. Generally, bad acts get more press but due to the prominence of the players involved the good acts have gotten more press. Couple that with no major on field incidents and it's clear why the bad guys don't cause much of a bad reflection on the school.
my 2 centsforum_veteran"rafael wrote:
UM earned their reputation with a combination of off-field problems and inappropriate on the field arrogance, brawls etc. Their supporters just called it swagger but it went beyond that. They basically acted like what you would expect thugs to act like and since it was on the field everybody saw it.
The Gators, on the other hand, don't engage in much on field taunting. Part of that may be the rule changes but regardless the fans don't get as much thuggish behavior thrown in their face. Their biggest marquis player is most known (off-field) for his good works. Meyer and the Gators also work as mentors for African Americans, etc.
The point is that the Gators have too many arrests but they are mostly to less prominent players. That is balanced by good acts by more prominent players. Generally, bad acts get more press but due to the prominence of the players involved the good acts have gotten more press. Couple that with no major on field incidents and it's clear why the bad guys don't cause much of a bad reflection on the school.
Good points all Raf.................
my 2 centsforum_veteran"rafael wrote:
UM earned their reputation with a combination of off-field problems and inappropriate on the field arrogance, brawls etc. Their supporters just called it swagger but it went beyond that. They basically acted like what you would expect thugs to act like and since it was on the field everybody saw it.
The Gators, on the other hand, don't engage in much on field taunting. Part of that may be the rule changes but regardless the fans don't get as much thuggish behavior thrown in their face. Their biggest marquis player is most known (off-field) for his good works. Meyer and the Gators also work as mentors for African Americans, etc.
The point is that the Gators have too many arrests but they are mostly to less prominent players. That is balanced by good acts by more prominent players. Generally, bad acts get more press but due to the prominence of the players involved the good acts have gotten more press. Couple that with no major on field incidents and it's clear why the bad guys don't cause much of a bad reflection on the school.
I understand the history and the effects of on field behavior...but a lot has changed in Coral Gables that does not get it due with the national media and rival fans seem intent and not giving credit where it is due......and UF get a free pass on the totality of their off field "issue"
A blurb on a newer UM mentoring program.....1 arrest in two years, top 10 highest achievement as measured by NCAA by both APR and GSR, new sponsored mentoring program, highest collective football GPA in history....I will take ........ loan us your NC and we will call it a day:)
http://hurricanesports.cstv.com/sports/c-track/spec-rel/102308aaa.html
rafaelforum_veteran"my 2 cents wrote:
I understand the history and the effects of on field behavior...but a lot has changed in Coral Gables that does not get it due with the national media and rival fans seem intent and not giving credit where it is due......and UF get a free pass on the totality of their off field "issue"
A blurb on a newer UM mentoring program.....1 arrest in two years, top 10 highest achievement as measured by NCAA by both APR and GSR, new sponsored mentoring program, highest collective football GPA in history....I will take ........ loan us your NC and we will call it a day:)
http://hurricanesports.cstv.com/sports/c-track/spec-rel/102308aaa.html
I went to both UF and UM (undergrad and grad school respectively) and I know that there are good acts being done at both schools. But as I said earlier, bad acts generally draw more press. Nothing positive has occurred at UM in the last several years (basically since they were a perennial power) that would draw a ton of publicity. Certainly nothing on the level of the publicity that the ND-Miami brawl 20 years back brought. In fact, the biggest thing was probably that FIU-Miami brawl in 2006. All that did was remind everybody of the earlier brawl.
So what does UM have? A bad reputation, which they earned, and then a long stretch of not being a great team. They're starting to come back and they get in another brawl. Basically, they have done nothing to change their reputation beyond a few good acts which I assume most every major program does to some extent.
So what does UM need to do to change their rep? IMO they have to become a team that will challenge for a national championship for a couple of years at least. They need to have a star player on the national stage. They need their major players to be good guys. And they need no major publicity drawing bad acts for a while.
And it's going to be harder for UM b/c a bad reputation takes a long time to overcome.
UF doesn't have that to overcome. They are the current national champs. They have the star player who is known for being a good guy. On top of that, Gainesville is a small town. Most everybody there makes their living in some way related to the university. Most people have some connection to the players as a friend or friend of a friend. Reality is that people are more forgiving of people they know. Meyer came from Utah and didn't have a trouble laden team there. (unlike JJ who was coming from on probation Oklahoma State, although I believe he inherited the problem rather than create it). The result is that UF will get more of a pass. To counter all of the good stuff above they'd probably need to do something that will cause national outrage. And then they'd have to not kick the player off the team. Otherwise the only people who complain will be rivals and that will come off as just sour grapes.
my 2 centsforum_veteran"rafael wrote:
I went to both UF and UM (undergrad and grad school respectively) and I know that there are good acts being done at both schools. But as I said earlier, bad acts generally draw more press. Nothing positive has occurred at UM in the last several years (basically since they were a perennial power) that would draw a ton of publicity. Certainly nothing on the level of the publicity that the ND-Miami brawl 20 years back brought. In fact, the biggest thing was probably that FIU-Miami brawl in 2006. All that did was remind everybody of the earlier brawl.
So what does UM have? A bad reputation, which they earned, and then a long stretch of not being a great team. They're starting to come back and they get in another brawl. Basically, they have done nothing to change their reputation beyond a few good acts which I assume most every major program does to some extent.
So what does UM need to do to change their rep? IMO they have to become a team that will challenge for a national championship for a couple of years at least. They need to have a star player on the national stage. They need their major players to be good guys. And they need no major publicity drawing bad acts for a while.
And it's going to be harder for UM b/c a bad reputation takes a long time to overcome.
I would not choose to debate the perceptual issues and their effect on future viewpoints from the CFB fanbase....you are correct and I agree with you. It is what it is...the media will hang UM every chance and UF will get no attention for their problems....I agree, and it is what it is.....my point in the earlier post is this:
Regardless of perceptual value there is a problem at UF.....If no one reported on the financial meltdown would there still be a problem...yes...lack of acknowledgment of a problem does not make it less of a problem we should have all learned that by now.........
Hiding an issue does not help anyone....Miami got to be Thug U because they earned it as you stated...they let things get out of control until the problem was too big to ignore....OU did the same thing, SMU...ditto....UF is earning the things that are being said about them and going to grow.
I guess earlier I was making the perceptual point but wht I was at least trying to say also is ...there is an issue here and no matter what school it is at, I am sick of athletes that endanger us the public and get away with it because they play football....I am a lot better off than many people right now and I do not consider myself better than anyone...we just have different lots in life and have different responsibilites....I am SICK of ALL athletes regardless of the color of their jersey costing ME money and endangering ME and thinking they can do it because they are better than the general public........
my 2 centsforum_veteran"rafael wrote:
To counter all of the good stuff above they'd probably need to do something that will cause national outrage. And then they'd have to not kick the player off the team. Otherwise the only people who complain will be rivals and that will come off as just sour grapes.
I agree Rafy.....but consider this when accessing whether their is a problem....
about .75% of our US population is in jail...considering acquittals, dismissals and plea bargins...maybe 3% of our population is charged with a crime.......UF has 12 scolly players from their opening 08 roster that have been charged with a crime in their past or since...that is 15% of their population (the allowable scolly limit is 80), and that does not include dismissals like the Cunningham dismissal...I offer the stats only because it eliminates much of the bias to look at numbers and I know the sets standards are different so statistically it is scientifically invalid...yadda, yadda.......15% is a problem any way you cut it......by their not being an issue perceptually, the media and G-fans are complicitly contributing to the problem...and again I agree their is no problem from a national perception point of view.
rafaelforum_veteran"my 2 cents wrote:
I would not choose to debate the perceptual issues and their effect on future viewpoints from the CFB fanbase....you are correct and I agree with you. It is what it is...the media will hang UM every chance and UF will get no attention for their problems....I agree, and it is what it is.....my point in the earlier post is this:
Regardless of perceptual value there is a problem at UF.....If no one reported on the financial meltdown would there still be a problem...yes...lack of acknowledgment of a problem does not make it less of a problem we should have all learned that by now.........
Hiding an issue does not help anyone....Miami got to be Thug U because they earned it as you stated...they let things get out of control until the problem was too big to ignore....OU did the same thing, SMU...ditto....UF is earning the things that are being said about them and going to grow.
I guess earlier I was making the perceptual point but wht I was at least trying to say also is ...there is an issue here and no matter what school it is at, I am sick of athletes that endanger us the public and get away with it because they play football....I am a lot better off than many people right now and I do not consider myself better than anyone...we just have different lots in life and have different responsibilites....I am SICK of ALL athletes regardless of the color of their jersey costing ME money and endangering ME and thinking they can do it because they are better than the general public........
Nobody wants to feel endangered and I personally have a problem with people who act like they are better than others for any reason (fame, money, education, race, etc.). But I'm not ready to claim that UF is a program out of control. There are too many arrests and I don't know how the team is handling those issues. However, I'm not ready to say they aren't handling them. I've seen enough crappy arrests to not jump to conclusions as to who was actually in the wrong. There have been too many to assume that all of these guys were being angels. That's why I say there have been too many arrests but I'm also not ready to assume they are all bad guys. I didn't see many repeat violators on your list so maybe discipline was handed down internally and the individuals shaped up. I'm sure some guys will need more than one lesson but the question to my mind is whether efforts are being made at discipline. That to me is the hallmark of whether a program is out of control. Bad acts and no consequences. If there are consequences and the consequences are severe enough I'm not going to jump to the "out of control" tag.
rafaelforum_veteran"my 2 cents wrote:
I agree Rafy.....but consider this when accessing whether their is a problem....
about .75% of our US population is in jail...considering acquittals, dismissals and plea bargins...maybe 3% of our population is charged with a crime.......UF has 12 scolly players from their opening 08 roster that have been charged with a crime in their past or since...that is 15% of their population (the allowable scolly limit is 80), and that does not include dismissals like the Cunningham dismissal...I offer the stats only because it eliminates much of the bias to look at numbers and I know the sets standards are different so statistically it is scientifically invalid...yadda, yadda.......15% is a problem any way you cut it......by their not being an issue perceptually, the media and G-fans are complicitly contributing to the problem...and again I agree their is no problem from a national perception point of view.
I'm not claiming there isn't a problem. But for a program to be "out of control" the team has to be ignoring it. I don't think that's the case. I'm far removed from Gainesville nowadays but I believe that at least a few of those players you listed were kicked off the team for those acts. There really isn't a harsher penalty the team can impose.
It can be claimed that maybe the player shouldn't have been brought in originally but without knowing if all those guys had criminal histories prior to coming to UF that really can't be substantiated or refuted. I believe that academically UF still has higher standards than both UM and FSU. And kids with long criminal histories while in HS don't tend to be high academic performers.
So while I'll agree that there is a problem that too many kids are getting in trouble I don't think there's enough evidence to say that UF is ignoring standards in their recruiting or not disciplining those that get in trouble.
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Oboyluxury_boxNever like to see guys go, but if he has not seen the field... Maybe time for a fresh start.
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Skeet84New Member"Oboy wrote:
Never like to see guys go, but if he has not seen the field... Maybe time for a fresh start.
Yeah he was a highly touted guy, But he has been working really hard in the classroom. I give him alot of credit to him for that. Good luck to him
Skeet84New MemberElam said there will be retribution coming for Richardson, who had been a Florida commitment for more than six months before signing a national letter of intent with UT.
"Well, I feel he let my team down," Elam said. "But, it really doesn't bother me. We're just going to go and get him and beat him for four years."
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Skeet84New MemberCharges v.s. Carl Johnson dropped by State Attorney!!!
A misdemeanor charge against Florida offensive lineman Carl Johnson for allegedly violating a restraining order has been dismissed by the State Attorney's Office.
"To charge someone, it would have to be willful," Cervone said Monday. "There is nothing to prove anything willful happened. According to her version, he got on the bus and had no eye contact with her. The restraining order doesn't prevent him from being within a certain distance.
"He says he never saw her (on the bus). There's nothing there (to warrant charging Johnson)."
So all this and he did not even see her on the bus. Amazing
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