*Official Bills v Dolphins thread*

"Dolfan4Life wrote:

Don't know what's worse, the fact that you're a fake dolfan or the fact that you're rooting against your own team!?

Get real. The fact that I want to finally fix the most glaring problem on this team to set us up for a decade of success doesn't make me a fake anything, it makes me someone capable of thinking past "this Sunday".

Tell me what going, say, 7-9 this year gets us. Explain why we should celebrate this. I'm all ears.

**** just got real

"Desides wrote:

Don't underestimate this GM. "Mr. Ross, we have Matt Moore, we won with him, in fact we dominated with him. I think we can build around him. Let me draft Matt Kalil to protect our new franchise QB, Matt Moore."

When that happens, I'm checking out until we draft a QB in the first round, which is likely to occur in 2033.

"Desides wrote:

Nearly every starting QB in the NFL last season was better than Chad Henne. You're aiming very, very low with that statement. Matt Moore is not a franchise QB, evidenced by his 2010 season. He's a good backup, though, evidenced by this 2011 season.

And, no. If we keep racking up meaningless wins, not only will we take ourselves out of range of anyone worth drafting, but we'll also lie to ourselves as you've done and say "We have Matt Moore, we can win with him, let's draft for need at another position."

And the cycle continues.

No, they should do what they did for the first seven weeks. They didn't lose for lack of effort. In future seasons, though, they will lose for lack of effort; lack of effort fixing the QB position—"We have Matt Moore, he's playing well, it's fixed"—and lack of effort fixing the obvious problem spots on this team because of meaningless wins racked up now. "Hey, they played great in this particular stretch of games!" Doesn't mean anything.

I'm so tired of having this franchise and fanbase lie to itself. Do we really need to repeat 2005?

You're acting like we're going to win nine games or something. At the most we're looking at seven total. That would still have us in the ten to fifteen range. Why couldn't we get a QB worth having? I've bitched on this message board a million times about the Dolphins FOs not prioritizing QB. But keep on with your generic assumptions. Go to any thread that has argued about whether Jake Long was a better pick than Matt Ryan and see where I stand.

This has been one of the most enjoyable games I've seen in a long time! Loving this!

I want Moore QB for next season!

"unifiedtheory wrote:

I can not disagree with you and that sucks. Ireland and the whole lot still deserve to get **** canned, regardless of how we finish.

That's the problem, though. With each win he can say "Look at how the roster I've built is playing. Look at how they overcame their coaching. I'm not the problem, the coaching was. Let me find a new coach and keep drafting well, and we can win every weekend. We're close, Mr. Ross. Let me keep building this obviously-talented roster."

"Killerphins wrote:

SFL was a bad idea and an extreme failure.
Glad to see you back from the dark side.

The way I look at it, the future of this team is starting to play well. Long, Pouncey, Clay, Thomas, Davis, Smith, etc..

As long as that happens, I'm happy. We'll be in position to acquire a QB, even if we end up 8-8.

"Desides wrote:

Get real. The fact that I want to finally fix the most glaring problem on this team to set us up for a decade of success doesn't make me a fake anything, it makes me someone capable of thinking past "this Sunday".

Tell me what going, say, 7-9 this year gets us. Explain why we should celebrate this. I'm all ears.

It's pretty sure that Matt Moore won't be our QB for long and that we'll draft a franchise QB next year, it's not like we won 7 games or w/e with Moore yet and we'll probably won't, this game is not even over yet so relax!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=v8_Dna99Cys

"Dolfan4Life wrote:

Don't know what's worse, the fact that you're a fake dolfan or the fact that you're rooting against your own team!?

Don't you love that losing mentality. A negative breeding ground is never good for an organization and its fans.
Some have already looked silly with that mindset. All will look silly in the end.
SFL or sucking for a draft pick is not what a fan should do.
Being happy when kicking ass is the way to be.
Go Phins!

"FreeStyle wrote:

Plenty of other Qb's in the draft,I celebrate a win no matter what, screw wanting to lose for a "franchise player" please...

Totally agree bro!

"muscle979 wrote:

You're acting like we're going to win nine games or something. At the most we're looking at seven total. That would still have us in the ten to fifteen range. Why couldn't we get a QB worth having? I've bitched on this message board a million times about the Dolphins FOs not prioritizing QB. But keep on with your generic assumptions. Go to any thread that has argued about whether Jake Long was a better pick than Matt Ryan and see where I stand.

I've said at least twice now that 7-9 is looking like the most probable end result of this season, so I don't know where you get the first two sentences in your post.

The third and fourth sentences disregard the reality that there are at least four teams in the top ten who need QBs and will draft them if available, so no, we can't get a franchise QB in the 10-15 range. At least not without trading up, and Ireland is averse to trading up. Well, to be more exact, he's averse to a net loss of draft picks; that is, coming away from a draft with less than 7 selections. If he has spare picks, he'll trade up, as seen with Daniel Thomas. But we still came away from the 2011 draft with a full net of seven players. If we trade up from the 10-15 range, the cost will be so prohibitive that he won't be able to come away with a full assortment of draft selections. He'll also likely try to get cute about value again, ala Jimmy Graham, waiting too long to draft a targeted QB only to have that player drafted right in front of him. We'd probably wind up with Jason Campbell backing up Matt Moore, in all honesty.

As for the rest of your sentences, where did I say that you're opposed to fixing the QB spot? I'm saying your mannerism for fixing it is wrong. In this particular year, you can't fix QB by winning out and then just letting one fall to you. It won't work that way in April.

Get him a body bag!!

I just don't see how 7-9 means we can't get a good QB. We were never getting Luck anyway. We could not be worse than Indy without losing on purpose.

Our team is kicking ass and we're having an argument about the draft? "Come on, man."

"Killerphins wrote:

Don't you love that losing mentality. A negative breeding ground is never good for an organization and its fans.
Some have already looked silly with that mindset. All will look silly in the end.
SFL or sucking for a draft pick is not what a fan should do.
Being happy when kicking ass is the way to be.
Go Phins!

Why fix a problem when you can hope to play bad/injured teams every week for a 16 game season?!

"Dolfan4Life wrote:

It's pretty sure that Matt Moore won't be our QB for long and that we'll draft a franchise QB next year, it's not like we won 7 games or w/e with Moore yet and we'll probably won't, this game is not even over yet so relax!

Really? Okay, which franchise QB will we in range to pick? Keep in mind that there are only two top talents confirmed to be in the draft: Andrew Luck (out of range) and Brandon Weeden (will soon be out of range). Matt Barkley still has NCAA eligibility left and could likely stay in school to win a bowl game next year before coming out, likely as a top three pick at worst.

And yes, Matt Moore is making the case that he should at the minimum replace Chad Henne on this roster. For a regime that regards the QB position as a sinkhole of risk, don't underestimate Ireland's ability to say "We have a guy now, let's build up other positions."

Still waiting for you to explain what going 7-9 gets us, by the way.

"Desides wrote:

I've said at least twice now that 7-9 is looking like the most probable end result of this season, so I don't know where you get the first two sentences in your post.

The third and fourth sentences disregard the reality that there are at least four teams in the top ten who need QBs and will draft them if available, so no, we can't get a franchise QB in the 10-15 range. At least not without trading up, and Ireland is averse to trading up. Well, to be more exact, he's averse to a net loss of draft picks; that is, coming away from a draft with less than 7 selections. If he has spare picks, he'll trade up, as seen with Daniel Thomas. But we still came away from the 2011 draft with a full net of seven players. If we trade up from the 10-15 range, the cost will be so prohibitive that he won't be able to come away with a full assortment of draft selections. He'll also likely try to get cute about value again, ala Jimmy Graham, waiting too long to draft a targeted QB only to have that player drafted right in front of him. We'd probably wind up with Jason Campbell backing up Matt Moore, in all honesty.

As for the rest of your sentences, where did I say that you're opposed to fixing the QB spot? I'm saying your mannerism for fixing it is wrong. In this particular year, you can't fix QB by winning out and then just letting one fall to you. It won't work that way in April.

It sounded to me like you assumed I was one of the 'Chad Henne is good enough at QB with enough talent around him' people. I am absolutely not. I still believe we'll get a new GM and coach.

Close to breaking that one.

"muscle979 wrote:

It sounded to me like you assumed I was one of the 'Chad Henne is good enough at QB with enough talent around him' people. I am absolutely not. I still believe we'll get a new GM and coach.

Going 7-9 means we keep our current GM and the current HC has a good argument ("the lockout caused our players to come in out of shape, look at how they played when they were in shape") to continue serving out his contract.

You're stacking false assumptions atop other false assumptions.

Come on Marshall... Florence got his hand in there too thoughl.

this is pure domination

****

Clean drop by Marshall.