1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

*****Official 2013 MLB Discussion Thread*****

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by Samphin, Apr 1, 2013.

  1. bigbry

    bigbry Huge Member

    5,278
    3,071
    0
    Dec 18, 2008
    Colorado
    Throw a box of donuts on the ground ...you lose my scent.
     
    finyank13 likes this.
  2. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

    10,191
    4,187
    113
    Dec 3, 2007
    Bradenton,FL
  3. Jt0323

    Jt0323 Fins Up! Luxury Box

    12,967
    7,293
    113
    Dec 7, 2007
    Las Vegas
  4. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

    22,422
    9,819
    0
    Nov 27, 2007
    DC Metro Area
    [​IMG]

    All of Yu Darvish‘s pitches vs. Pujols at once....that's what you call repeating your release point.
     
    Jt0323 and finyank13 like this.
  5. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

    30,718
    5,415
    113
    Jan 6, 2010
    you having fun in 13inches of snow?
     
  6. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

    22,422
    9,819
    0
    Nov 27, 2007
    DC Metro Area
    Here is more...

    Great job : https://twitter.com/DShep25

    Fastball vs. late breaking slider....dang

    [​IMG]

    and another video this time from MLB on similar look at Verlander's arsenal

    [video]http://mlb.mlb.com/shared/video/embed/embed.html?content_id=26750779&width=400&height=224[/video]
     
    finyank13 likes this.
  7. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

    30,718
    5,415
    113
    Jan 6, 2010
    Thats nasty. Wow.
     
  8. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

    30,718
    5,415
    113
    Jan 6, 2010
    I guess the "pitchers should wear helmets" debate starts again.....Pretty nasty stuff Happ had to deal with tonight.
     
  9. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

    13,500
    4,315
    113
    Dec 9, 2007
    Not sure how this could really be a debate, I just don't understand how there could be an arguement against it unless you think by a pitcher wearing a helmet won't make him a "real man". The Happ hit was pretty scary to watch and there are ways to help prevent serious injuries, not sure what the hold up is.
     
  10. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

    30,718
    5,415
    113
    Jan 6, 2010
    Baseball purist
     
  11. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

    13,500
    4,315
    113
    Dec 9, 2007
    They need to grow up and get with the times. Should we not have hitters wearing batting helmets since that's not what they did until the 1940s? How about night games? While we're at it let's keep baseball strictly a "white only" game. I could go on and on.

    It's about protecting and saving lives, screw the purist crap, especially when it comes to protecting the head and brain.
     
    Mainge likes this.
  12. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

    30,718
    5,415
    113
    Jan 6, 2010
    I think comparing race to helmets is a little much and a slight on what they had to go through to break into baseball but I get your overall point....

    I am just playing devil's ad
     
  13. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

    13,500
    4,315
    113
    Dec 9, 2007
    I know you're just playing devil's advocate and so am I. If the baseball purist has an issue with pitchers wearing protective head gear because "that's not the way things were back in the day" then I say why not just go right back to the late 1800s/early 1900s and play the game that way otherwise they're simply contradicting themselves if they use that excuse.

    I'm in no way trying to lessen what guys like Jackie Robinson did for the sport, simply pointing out that the baseball purist excuses are poor. It's a helmet for a pitcher to wear to protect his head and brain, I'm not talking about having hitters start to run the bases backwards or giving the pitcher 5 balls for a walk. There would be zero effect on the overall game except making things safer for a guy whose almost defenseless and less than 60 feet away from a hitter with a second or two or reaction time.
     
  14. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

    30,718
    5,415
    113
    Jan 6, 2010
    Their point is it ruins the aesthetic look of the game...It would be weird to look at at first, but I would get used to it....are you saying like actual batters helmets? or a modified version maybe a little thinner and smaller....

    Also you have to think some pitchers have very fluid deliveries, and some have violent motions and I can see the helmets being more of a nuisance...Like i know he is out of baseball but the Asian guy who relief pitched for the Sox who used to not even look at where he was throwing the ball upon delivery...

    Can they glue it on to their heads Fink?
     
  15. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

    13,500
    4,315
    113
    Dec 9, 2007
    People will get used to it in time, just like they probably don't even notice the 1st and 3rd base coaches wearing helmets after the Rockies' minor league 1st base coach died from taking a line drive off the head years back anymore.

    As far as the helmet, it's not like a batting helmet nor would it get in the way of any pitching motion or delivery unless a pitcher can't pitch with a normal baseball hat on.

    This is what the helmet looks like:

    http://mlblogscontractyear.files.wo...helmet20in20calcaterra20blog1.jpg?w=244&h=271

    I don't see a big deal in pitchers wearing them.

    As far as the aesthetic look of the game again I point out that when baseball, football, hockey etc were invented no one wore helmets. You have to adapt with the times just like how there are electric scoreboards, HD jumbo trons, instant replay, lights so they can play night games, domes etc. People will simply have to get over it, it's not a big deal.
     
  16. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

    10,191
    4,187
    113
    Dec 3, 2007
    Bradenton,FL

    I'd be for that helmet. Anything more could get in the way of a delivery. I don't want to see a front cage.
     
  17. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

    13,500
    4,315
    113
    Dec 9, 2007
    No, a front cage is taking things a little bit too far, even I would admit that. The natural reaction of something flying at you very fast is to turn your head to avoid getting hit straight on so it's more important to have the side of your head/temple protected.
     
  18. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

    99,377
    37,301
    0
    Nov 22, 2007
    inching to 100k posts
    Baseball is a physical game, it comes with the territory.

    Like collisions.
     
    finyank13 likes this.
  19. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

    10,191
    4,187
    113
    Dec 3, 2007
    Bradenton,FL
    Makes sense. We need to do away with helmets for batters then.
     
    Ray Finkle and finyank13 like this.
  20. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

    30,718
    5,415
    113
    Jan 6, 2010
    Best. Post. Ever.
     
  21. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

    13,500
    4,315
    113
    Dec 9, 2007
    Yup, typical tough guy mentally. Just rub dirt on it and get back onto the field right?
     
  22. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

    13,500
    4,315
    113
    Dec 9, 2007
    Why stop there? Let's get rid of all catchers pads, the home plate ump doesn't need any protection either. Hell football players are tough, they can handle things without pads and helmets too. Ditto for hockey players. Why stop in just sports? Let's get rid of air bags and seat belts for cars too. Collisions come with the terriory why should we protect ourselves?
     
  23. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

    30,718
    5,415
    113
    Jan 6, 2010
    Padding on the outfield walls is for wusses.....

    Finkle is a "little" angry today....
     
  24. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

    13,500
    4,315
    113
    Dec 9, 2007
    Ohhhh that's a good one, I didn't even think of that.

    Not angry by any means, just amazed how some people just can't accept change especially if it's for the long term health of players especially when it comes to brain injuries. It has nothing to do with being a tough guy. Do we need to see a pitcher die on the mound before making a change?
     
    finyank13 likes this.
  25. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

    13,500
    4,315
    113
    Dec 9, 2007
    By the way, Brandon McCarthy, who got hit in the head last year and needed brain surgery, has said that he thinks it's time the MLB had protective head gear for pitchers and would have no problem wearing it if it fit and felt comfortable. He said that right now there isn't a good model invented yet to fully protect the head. I guess he's not a tough guy after all.
     
  26. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

    30,718
    5,415
    113
    Jan 6, 2010
    Has a hot wife though :yes: so regardless if his ERA is over a 7, he wins!!!!
     
    Ray Finkle likes this.
  27. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

    30,718
    5,415
    113
    Jan 6, 2010
    Ouchie Doc.....
     
  28. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

    30,718
    5,415
    113
    Jan 6, 2010
    Freaking AJ Burnett.......good for him Part 2
     
  29. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

    99,377
    37,301
    0
    Nov 22, 2007
    inching to 100k posts
    Yeah I know, that sort of thing does not show up on a stat sheet.
     
  30. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

    99,377
    37,301
    0
    Nov 22, 2007
    inching to 100k posts
    Eh, IDK, padding on the walls makes sense to me FY, could not think of a way to do it at Wrigley though.

    A line drive off of the head of a pitcher rarely happens but it is a part of the game.

    Helmets are no panacea either, Dickie Thon was drilled by Mike Torrez and it took him years to even try and comeback. Steve Kemp got beaned by a line drive to the outfield and never really recovered.
     
  31. Mainge

    Mainge Season Ticket Holder

    6,829
    1,449
    113
    Mar 23, 2008
    West Palm Beach
    The point is that it's easily rectified. What is the downside?
     
  32. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

    99,377
    37,301
    0
    Nov 22, 2007
    inching to 100k posts
    Nothing really, if some or most pitchers want to wear them I have -0- problem with it.

    Mandating it is a different thing altogether.

    Like collisions being a part of the game, it doesn't mean the catcher setting up a road block in the baseline in front of home plate is a good idea either, Scioscia used to be infamous for doing it.

    Think going hard into second to break up a DP is fine, think when the runner slides to far away from the base, or does a chop block into the pivot is a good idea or even should be legal.
     
  33. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

    13,500
    4,315
    113
    Dec 9, 2007
    Sure it does, under the games played column.
     
  34. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    13,969
    3,367
    113
    Jul 5, 2009
    I would consider protecting players who are on deck, too. Maybe I'm too paranoid but after Morrison was hit in the eye I think it should be done.
     
  35. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

    99,377
    37,301
    0
    Nov 22, 2007
    inching to 100k posts
    Would that be under the playing injured stat or player cadillacing category?
     
  36. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

    13,500
    4,315
    113
    Dec 9, 2007
    Juan Encarnacion's career ended because he was hit in the eye while waiting on the on-deck circle. I do however think you're being paranoid, it's an extremely rare case where things like that happen.
     
  37. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

    99,377
    37,301
    0
    Nov 22, 2007
    inching to 100k posts
    Exactly...padding on the walls makes sense, letting pitchers were facial protection voluntarily also makes sense..batters in the on deck circle...not so much..

    I'm also quite glad that graphite bats are not used in MLB, my goodness slap hitters would be 30 HR guys..not to mention 3rd basemen and pitchers would be sitting ducks.
     
  38. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

    22,422
    9,819
    0
    Nov 27, 2007
    DC Metro Area
    Excellent piece and analysis of Harper's swing...(and graphical breakdown)....a "bambino-esqe" comparison is made.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/sports/bryce-harper-swing-of-beauty/#


     
    finyank13 likes this.
  39. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

    13,500
    4,315
    113
    Dec 9, 2007

Share This Page