Tendonitis is short for we want you to start in triple A, but we dont want the media to rip us apart for the trade and we dont want you to feel pressure.
I agree FFG, I think they want to just start him down there...get his bearings, he will be able to lose some more weight...etc..
I dont agree, yes the DL is used by clubs to hide things, but very, very rarely, or at least not as often as the masses cry foul over it. In Pineda's case, he came in taxed somewhat from last season, and over weight this season....those issue do cause real problems and fatique. I dont think he is out of the woods yet, and thus, the DL stint is legit from slight injury, but more importantly, hopefully prevention of longer injury. Will Carroll, who most should respect, sees it this way. Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...sy-baseball-injuries/index.html#ixzz1r5wkzJkQ I think its pretty spot on, and Yanks brass hopefully will cover all the bases during this time on the DL. P.S. Andy Pettitte returned to MLB action today. Completed 1 inning of work, 13 pitches giving up 3-2 chop single to first hitter (had him 0-2); then pop out to SS, caught stealing (following a typical great move that had the baserunner leaning back to 1st for poor jump) on what looked like hit & run attempt; and finally having the 3rd batter of the inning down 0-2, produced a weak ground out to 2B. He throw mostly cutters in the 88mph neighborhood, and off speed breakers in the 74mph neighborhood. Will be interesting to see when he finally is ready what he tops out at, but wouldnt be shocked or dissapointed if he hovered around 89mph. He is so crafty, it can work for him with is cutter, etc. All in all, AP should be on target following some leg strengthening to be back at the Stadium in the May timeframe. Cant have to much pitching, cant have to many lefty's. Love it.....here's hoping Pineda follows Hughes path, learns a valuable lesson (maybe follows CC's path and learns some motion tweaks with similar body shape) that makes him return in form and ready for many seasons ahead. I would expect Pineda to contribute this season and be a positive impact as the LONG SEASON progresses. But this DL stint is not an attempt to hide anything IMO.
I agree with you, it doesn't make much sense for the Yankees to make up a fake injury for Pineda. Like you said, I think Pineda showed up to camp overweight and ended up hurting himself trying to throw too hard because of all the reports his velocity was down.
And folks need to remember, Pineda was NOT Yankees property (from workout, offseason program, expectations, etc) until Jan 23rd. I think they get exactly what this is, and they get how to protect what is NOW their property to maximize it for their "collective" future. P.S. small news (but interesting turn of events) for backup catcher spot.
As well, did New York do an MRI on him? I don't think they did, which goes to show they aren't very concern with it.
Haha, come on Fin, of course they did an MRI, geeez you act like they used a witch doctor who cracked a raw egg and all black oil oozed out of it and they said wallah only Shoulder irritation. Hahaha....the fact that they dont want him to do anything for a few days baseball wise speaks more volumes of the seriousness and monitoring the risk then anything else. Just be glad its mild and hopefully he can get in shape, get his head straight, and get back on the hill and be back in MLB rotation soon enough. Cant have enough arms and its fine to not rush him back. Now on to Opening day for Yanks on their march to #28 in 2012!
They did do an MRI. I'm sorry but I just don't believe this conspiracy theory that the Yankees are purposely keeping him on the DL because they want to start him in the minor leagues and nothing is wrong with him. It makes zero sense.
I will agree to this, that if no injury would have appeared it may have saved Yanks brass from making a tough call between Nova (who hasnt looked good all spring) and Pineda, etc. So the injury saved egg on the face of a tough decision, but aside from that, you dont tell a young man to STOP throwing for a few days and PRETEND he is hurt for no reason. That is a waste of resources in every sense of the word. He's officially on the DL now: The Yankees put pitcher Michael Pineda, who is dealing with right rotator cuff tendinitis, on the 15-day disabled list retroactive to March 31. There is no structural damage in his shoulder. There is no timetable for him to resume playing catch.
Oh if Pineda was healthy I think the Yankees would almost have to send Nova down to the minors. He got hammered his ST. Either that or start Garcia in the pen to start the year.
i promise you there is no injury. Believe/dont believe. I will say this, Phil Hughes and Michael Pineda are two very different cases. Pineda was hitting 93-94 on the gun almost all of spring training, he came in out of shape and the yanks are pissed because they gave him specific training regimens to follow and he did not. Phil hughes came in fat and out of shape also, but he couldnt even hit 90 on the gun consistently. Which is consistent with the term "dead arm". Tendonitis is a catch all term that teams like to use to avoid having to explain whats really going on. This is the yanks disciplining Pineda without letting on to the media and with out public embarrassment.
Just read all the player news/notes: http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/mlb/5593/michael-pineda Pineda's velocity was down all ST, yes he hit 94 but wasn't consistently hitting it like he did last year when he averaged 94.7 mph. Pineda was usually around 89 to 92 this spring. But let me get this straight, you're saying that the Yankees went through this whole show of having Pineda say to the media his shoulder was hurting himand the Yankees giving him a MRI simply to save Pineda from the public embarrassment of starting the year in the minors? I'm sorry I just don't buy that. I do think Pineda had a sore shoulder and the Yankees were concerned enough about it and thus sent him for a MRI to see if there was something wrong. That's not to say that the Yankees weren't happy he showed up to camp out of shape but I do think that they were concerned about a possible injury. While the MRI showed nothing so I guess technically there's no injury but I do think the guy's shoulder was hurting. If they weren't concerned and just sending a message to him why haven't they let him starting throwing again if he's not hurt? To keep up the fake injury story?
I didnt know thats why I was asking.....it is a long season, I am just getting into the article reading now... thank you for clarifying that he did.......
I guess now is a good time to finally start reading. I mean looking at a picture can only tell you so much, right?
I will say Fink, it isnt real a huge show, they simply put him on the DL at the end of March....if you look at his numbers, he wasnt pitching that bad in ST even with the down velo..... Some were speculating that he would start in the minors before he was put on the DL, because if you bring that kid up North and he gets rocked in April, then the question come from all directions with this relentless media.....to Cashman, to Girardi, the Roth.....to everybody not to mention Pineda himself.... stashing him on the DL, out until May, especially when you have the other options to fill in, getting him right etc makes sense to me....dont rush it, the kid is 23...hopefully they learn from Hughes and Joba and their handling of them... I will admit, if he comes back slimmer, says his shoulder is alright and there is no structural damage, and he is still throwing low 90's we have a problem houston...
They put him on the DL at the end of March, gave him a MRI and he's been shut down since. Like you said, he wasn't pitching that bad in ST even with the down velo. When I said put on a show I meant that they didn't go through all of the motions just to save him from the embarassment of sending him to the minors. I have no problem if the team wants to be extra careful with a 23 year old pitcher but I have a hard time believing that they're faking an injury to avoid public embarrassment for the kid. Many players have been sent to the minors before by the organization to send them a message that they're not happy with them for some reason. If they Yankees are that concerned about the media or fans knocking Pineda about being sent outright to the minor leagues that they have to make up stories or fake an injury then they have a much bigger problem (Burnett 2.0 aka a new basketcase in town). I'm not knocking the Yankees for shutting him down by any means, it's the right/smart move, I just don't believe this fake injury theory. Which brings up a great point that NO ONE is talking about. Should the Yankees be concerned with Ivan Nova? He's been absolutely terrible in ST this year yet everyone is so focused on Pineda's down velocity. Nova hasn't been able to get many swings and misses, has had trouble locating his pitches and has had forearm tightness. I hate to say it because you never want to see any player hurt (even if they do play for the Yankees) but maybe the Yankees should be a bit concerned that Nova isn't healthy. And I'm sure they privately are.
Nova is the logical choice to hit the Minor's via the Sophomore shuttle once AP is back (and I think as the logical #3) and slide Hughes to #4 (but certainly could leave Hughes at 3 if they want a LRRLR vs LRLRR).....then if they trade Garcia, then its most likely the slot for Pineda will be #5 and monitor.
things that make you go hmmmmm they didnt dl him till yesterday, but retroactive from the 31st. In my experience with tendonitis, both with my athletes and my own shoulder, shutting a player down for 5 days really doesnt do much for the pain. It may help with the swelling, but the soreness takes weeks to go away.
Internationally walking Sean Rodriguez in the 1st inning with 2 outs made zero sense, it took him 5 batters to start to over manage. I don't think he's a bad manager but he definitely over manages a lot.
Hit and run with first and third with 1 out is a weird play... Then bunting with 2 strikes is another weird call by edit: Great job by Robertson... got out or a jam there with 1st and 3rd no outs and got three consecutive strikeouts.
Wasn't a hit and run. You can't call a hit and run with a runner coming in from third. He could seriously die. Molina missed a squeeze play.
Rivera is DONE! Welcome to last place boys, thanks for keeping us company. Sincerely, 2012 Boston Red Sox
Hughes looked good so was a plus.... But 1-5 doesn't have 1 RBI yet.....hopefully that changes..... Wonder if other teams start to use the shift the way Maddon does.....
Maybe next time he'll get out of the 5th inning..... Who am I to talk though, the best pitcher on my team this weekend was Padilla.
looks like we're both looking up after this weekend...LOL Im not worried about hughes, he is what he is. My worry is with sabathia, he truthfully hasnt looked "in control" in a long time. Also, the 12 million we gave to kuroda, who im sure is going to wilt like a flower in the a.l. east.
not really worried about CC at all his 2011 season was better than his 2010 season, he had 1 bad inning and after that he looked good. i agree with you on kuroda but seeing hughes pitch well was a good sign, their was some pitches he was getting squeezed on IMO and ibanez didnt help him out with that slide attempt that lead to a triple which IMO looked like it hung up plenty to be caught he just got a ****ty break on it, and watching ibanez trying to catch a routine pop up scared the **** out of me our 1-5 hitters need to get going, arod looks good though which is awesome to see
eh 99 pitches sometimes doesnt get you out of the 5th, sometimes it gets you a complete game.....he still looked decent which is a positive because of what happened last year... oh and this nice little tidbit...
I watched a little bit of the game and he didn't look bad. It was more of me trying to bust them on you.
See I disagree about CC I am worried, and to tell ya the truth I HATED tacking on more years to his contract this winter, I simply don't think he is worth the type of money.... Is he a good pitcher, of course, but for 23M+ you better be an ace....and not a "best pitcher on the team ace" like for example Arrieta on Baltimore.....like an ace in the game of baseball ace, and he just simply isn't IMO.....
