After the homer that made it 9 - 0 i turned the tv off and did everything on my to do list, then i sat down and turned the tv on thinking the game was over and bam, epic collapse taking place.
I had money on this game, after it went 9-0 i just threw the ticket in the garbage and shut the game off. Lucky for me i did not rip the ticket up!
P.S. Have you heard anything else via the grapevine on Pineda? I read they shut him down again, now while I am not wrapping my mind around conspiracy theory of the FO calling the shots to shut him down while he is not really injured, I am starting to wonder what you have for updates? With Andy coming back, and watching how the calendar (as it always does) messes with schedule of #1-#5 rotation and match-ups, I was spitballing this idea. I say, when Andy comes back, you set the rotation of CC, Kuroda, AP, Hughes, and Nova. This keeps perhaps the 2nd best arm production wise (for whatever reason) in Nova in the #5 and facing some teams aces on given nights based on calendar matchups, etc. By slotting it this way, Hughes faces basically the 4th or 5th arm of opposing team to build confidence, but really set the stage for Pineda come say late June or July (ASB) if Yanks brass really is holding him back for innings limit, or even getting into shape, as small punishment for not following their offseason recommendations following the trade in Dec, etc. And Yanks brass wanting to ease his arm and build it up while controlling his innings, etc. Andy, moves into the comfortable #3 slot, with L, R, L mix following CC and Kuroda, and as long as he remains healthy, he doesnt have any innings limit, etc. Garcia (who is throwing the worst of the current 5 anyway), moves to mop up pen duites only - at best (if not cut or traded - long shot). Then Pineda when he comes back in that July timeframe (ASB), you move him into Hughes spot #4, leave Nova at #5 on paper, and slide Hughes into Pen to really strengthen that into the stretch run...and come playoffs. Again, just spitballing, but if Pineda really isnt hurt, and this was a punishment and innings control strategy, this is a strong approach to having some of the freshest arms heading into the post season, and controlling the SP and Bullpen work load simultaneously. A fresh fireballing Pineda, following the L in AP, could be brilliant. So, the above really only applies if indeed Pineda isnt suffering a more serious injury to explain why he is being shutdown again (publically at least). Any updates would be helpful.
http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/mlb/5593/michael-pineda Pineda is being sent to a doctor on Monday to have his shoulder looked at, possibly more MRIs on the way. He threw on Saturday (he was suppose to throw 2 innings in an extended ST game) and had to stop because of continued shoulder tightness/weakness. Both Girardi and Cashman said it's "not good" and they are "concerned". There is no conspiracy theory, the guy is hurt, thinking otherwise at the point is silly in my opinion.
There is a dye contrast MRI set up for Pineda tomorrow morning. Conspiracy theory aside, lol, I think Jack Z. has taken Cashman for a long ride off a short pier with this trade.... If Pineda is hurt, it happened while he was a mariner, not while he was a yankee. Also, i know for sure that Pineda was given a workout outline right after the trade and he decided to train on his own with his own trainer instead of doing the workouts the yankee's suggested.
If Pineda was hurt while he was still in the Seattle organization, than don't you think it's on the Yankees and Cashman for still agreeing to the deal? When a trade is agreed upon teams have to exchange all medical records they have on the players and the players have to go through physicals before the deal is completed. Of course that's assuming whatever tests they ran on Pineda showed anything, I guess it's possible he was hurt and didn't know or say anything about it.
Of course it is on Cashman and the Yanks to do their due diligence.....if they got medical records (which I am sure they did) then I blame them soley for it.... Again they parted ways with their best pure hitting prospect, you don't expect this.... The only way they can be absolved is that he was fine during the trade came in and was out of shape, changed his mechanics trying to replicate the velo, and hurt himself....unfortunately we wont know if that's the case... It is at the point were you have to get Oswalt on speed dial....cuz CC/Kuroda are okay, beyond that there are questions all around in an area that I thought was going to be their strength... Also memo to Tex.....good things happen when you go with the pitch, and use the opposite field....you dont have to try and pull everything, glad he hit the HR to left, maybe it will give him some confidence to do it again.....I bet Long was like "See....." ahahahha
I think that's probably what happened but again who knows. He's a pitcher so he was already coming with risk built in but still it's unfortunate.
If Oswalt would agree to the same contract value as AP, sure, otherwise, you do exactly what Cashman is doing. I too think that, but was playing a devil's advocate that "IF" Yanks wanted to control innings and privately punish, this would be an interesting approach.....but I just dont see a Major League club conducting itself this way. I hope the MRI reassures them of only a minor ailment, etc. Listen, I dont think Pineda is a career arm issue.....several items contributed to this current issue, but its controllable going forward, and Montero's projected bat, does not and will not equal the arms in Pineda and Campos, and again, moving Noesi to free up the spot for Phelps is perfect. It was a fair trade, and still is, as Pineda is a small temporary issue, and wont remove the long term value of adding to arms. Far more bats grow on trees then arms in real baseball (not fantasy).
I think that's an insane theory though. Why go through all these hoops to fake an injury just to limit his innings? Why not just come out and say "Pineda is a big part of our future not only for this year but for the future. We have the luxury of having a lot of SPers with major league experience on the staff so in order to try and keep Pineda fresh for the end of the season we're going to start him off slow in April". I mean that makes more sense to me, but again what do I know? And I agree I think the deal was extremely fair for both sides and made sense for both clubs. Unfortunately one of the guys is hurt least than a month into the season. Calling the trade a bust, like some people are (not on these boards), at this point is a little premature though.
Me too, but thats why its a "devils advocate" position! I would wager its for the "FinYanks of the Yankee kingdom", who gets oversensitive to trading "the best hitting prospect" when they dont see immediate value in return; or overreacting to the Tex, Swisher, Arod, Jeter performances unless it equals a world series ring - at which point - they are the undisputed greatest players ever reaction.
Lets not get ahead of ourselves...their track records are explicit in the playoffs (sans Jeter)... A-Rod hit the crap out of the ball in 09, but hey a blind squrriel finds a nut every now and again right?
A-Rod never should have left Texas..... I will say BDH, as evident in the past 2 days, when the middle of this lineup does what it is supposed to do, they are borderline unstoppable....
Umm the yankees dont roll like that...ever. They would never tell their fanbase that they are looking towards the future. Yankee fans are win now at all costs. And, Girardi and Cashman have both been caught in lies RE: injuries in the recent past. In fact Girardi's first year he got raked over the coals for lying to the media about injuries.
So, FFG, your inside information will still state that the MRI will actually show nothing as far as damage (and that Yanks are punishing him for shape/conditioning and not following off-season expectations, etc), but Yanks FO will still claim to the public a minor issue with Pineda's arm and they will continue to shut him down, etc? Wondering, what timeframe does your inside info expect Pineda to return (fully ready) to the rotation by? As always appreciate your knowledge and info on these medical issues, etc.
As far as lying about injuries, sure every team does it it's not anything new. I just don't believe that the Yankees lied about Pineda being injuried because they were upset he showed up to camp out of shape and didn't want to embarass him or have the media get all over the guy because of it or it's a punishment to him (wouldn't just sending him right to the minor be punishment enough and a good wake up call to him?). I think his injury is and always was legit. Teams don't simply send players to get MRIs and tests for show, nor do they shut down a pitcher multiple times in a month to continue with the story. It would make zero sense, especially now that his shoulder is continuing to bother him and this will be the 2nd time in less than a month he's being sent out for tests. Why do a dye contrast MRI this time? None of it makes sense if he's not really hurt. Again for arguement's sake let's say the conspiracy theory IS true, isn't that pretty alarming that the Yankees are going through all these steps and motions to protect Pineda from the media? I'm not sure what would worry me more as a Yankee fan, that the guy is hurt or the guy is a head case. Maybe I'm just missing something here.... EDIT: Now Pineda's agent wants him to get a 2nd opinion on Wednesday before the results are made public. So now it's possible the agent is involved in this cover up? Sorry but I'm not buying it at all.
If there's an injury, it will be made public on wed. I'll also say that ive personally been apart of a professional club, both making up an injury to save face and also, saying there was no injury, when in fact there was. So, people that i know are saying that Pineda, if hurt, was not hurt as a yankee.
How do they know that? And if that's true then everything you said about your source saying the Yankees are faking the injury was false then because it means he was hurt all along. I'm sorry I don't mean to sound like a jerk but you're contradicting yourself here. First you're saying there is no injury and now you're saying if he is hurt, he was hurt before the Yankees got him. Did the Yankees not give him a physical or reviewed his medical records before they ok'ed the trade? And if the Yankees are positive he was hurt before the trade are they planning on filing an appeal? Do you at least understand why I'm questioning this? Did the professional club you were with give the player 2 MRIs, repeatedly shut down the player, have his agent request a 2nd opinion and another round of tests all in a span of a month's time? It just seems like if he's not hurt and the Yankees are putting on a show for the public (and now getting his agent involved) they're going overboard here. Why not simply shut him down for a few weeks, just say they're resting his arm?
I am waiting for the proverbial Dr. James Andrews shoe to drop myself personally..... Anyday now.....
Well Pineda has been complaining about a sore shoulder, the elbow is the cause for TJ surgery, which Andrews is the specialist on. Although a shoulder injury is worse than an elbow injury. We're just going to have to wait and see what the tests say before jumping to any conclusions. Either way I think it's safe to say Pineda won't be pitching in a MLB until at least July.
Please share if you hear info different than what is made public, etc......always appreciated, even if to simply get my mind around the inner workings (that you are far more familiar with). .....but this is a strange one! If he does come back in July, I am fine with that....fully healthy...that works fine. P.S. What's your take on this news:
Wow huge blow for the Yankees there. Not an easy surgery to come back from either, anything having to do with the shoulder is a big cause for concern. EDIT: Brian Cashman said he believes Pineda injuried himself in during his rehab outing and he doesn't believe Seattle sold him damaged goods.
At this stage, taking the Doctors word that with no incision necessary, and basically just time/rest/re-strengthen, and no damage to arm or shoulder, lets the months go by and take it from there. No cutting into the labrum to aide in fix or healing is huge difference as it stands right now. If that's what the Doc thinks is the case, then for now, no worried one bit.
There's no tear to the rotator cuff so it's not as bad but it's still a serious injury. To say you're not worried about it is a little, I don't know the word I'm looking for, possibly blind faith? There's no way of knowing how he'll respond and if he'll ever have the same velocity as he had or get the same break on his secondary pitches. If Pineda was on my team I'd be worried, anytime anything is wrong with a pitcher's arm, elbow or shoulder it worries me.
Dont get me wrong, I would prefer conspiracy theory and fake injury to protect him from embarrassment over this.....but my not worried comment, is more of a "cant cry over spilt milk"...just move on, accept it, make the best of it, and expect the best. Until the news changes to something else, no point in doing much else regarding the cards that have been dealt.
I wasnt contradicting myself, i was just telling you what people told me...I believe pineda didnt injure himself with the yankees. Moving on, a labrum injury is the easiest rehab to come back from out of all the arm surgeries. Problem is you have to let scar tissue build so no movement for like 8 - 10 weeks.
This chick in my gym torn her labrum, had surgery, and is already doing some jump roping and range movements 4 months in.... Still tho this isn't what u expect....
