*****Official 2010 World Series Thread*****

"FaninPatsyLand wrote:

What are they supposed to say? Give me a break. I'm sure it had nothing to do with Cliff Lee's command.

There's enough reasonable baseball fans in this thread to call a spade a spade -- the Giants lineup sucks. There's a reason they ranked in the lower half in all of baseball in OPS and runs scored this season.

Yet they are without ANY doubr, the absolute best team in baseball when it matters most.
Compare what these guys are doing to the Rays and $kan$ against the Rangers.
Regardless of what all the "Thread experts" say, they have the best lineup in baseball right now bar none.

"FaninPatsyLand wrote:

What are they supposed to say? Give me a break. I'm sure it had nothing to do with Cliff Lee's command.

There's enough reasonable baseball fans in this thread to call a spade a spade -- the Giants lineup sucks. There's a reason they ranked in the lower half in all of baseball in OPS and runs scored this season.

That's why everyone says get into the playoffs and anything can happen.

"azfinfanmang wrote:

Yet they are without ANY doubr, the absolute best team in baseball when it matters most.
Compare what these guys are doing to the Rays and $kan$ against the Rangers.
Regardless of what all the "Thread experts" say, they have the best lineup in baseball right now bar none.

Considering only Buster Posey would crack the 3rd place team in the AL East when everyone is healthy I'm going to have to extremely disagree with you there. The Giants are not the best team in the playoffs but that doesn't matter because they're winning. The best teams in the post season don't always win. That's why the Phillies, Rays and Yankees are sitting home right now. Again that's not meant to take away anything from either the Giants or Rangers but if either of those teams played a 162 game schedule against any of those 3 teams the results wouldn't be favorable to them.

Look at the Giants offensive numbers compared to the Phillies this year. Tell me how they're better. Yes the Giants beat the Phillies in the playoffs but that's because it's a short series and it's a crap shoot.

"Ray Finkle wrote:

So you're saying his command wasn't off but his curve was? Same thing no? He was all over the strike zone and even he and Molina admitted he had no control on his pitches.

Up till his last inning, he was still over throwing 80% first pitch strikes.
Maybe he wasn't able to pinpoint his pitches, like he usually does, but I've seen his command much worse than it was in game 1.
He doesn't usually throw his curve much. Its far from his strong point.

Exactly its all about getting hot at the right time

"Ray Finkle wrote:

Considering only Buster Posey would crack the 3rd place team in the AL East when everyone is healthy I'm going to have to extremely disagree with you there. The Giants are not the best team in the playoffs but that doesn't matter because they're winning. The best teams in the post season don't always win. That's why the Phillies, Rays and Yankees are sitting home right now. Again that's not meant to take away anything from either the Giants or Rangers but if either of those teams played a 162 game schedule against any of those 3 teams the results wouldn't be favorable to them.

Look at the Giants offensive numbers compared to the Phillies this year. Tell me how they're better. Yes the Giants beat the Phillies in the playoffs but that's because it's a short series and it's a crap shoot.

Take off your pathetic homer glasses please!!!!
The best two teams in baseball are playing right now, that's why they play series instead of one and done.
The Rangers spanks the $kan$ and the Rays, the Gints spanked Philthadelphia, and now the Gints are spanking the Rangers.
The pecking order is pretty damn clear.

Remember, excuses are like ***holes.....

Scoreboard throws excuses directly out the window.

"adamprez2003 wrote:

Exactly its all about getting hot at the right time

Obviously. Does anyone think the 2006 Cardinals were the best team that year? There's usually 1 or 2 teams that get hot at the right time and make it to the WS. It happens every year. There are always upsets. There's a reason why you rarely see the AL team with the best record against the NL team with the best record.

"azfinfanmang wrote:

Take off your pathetic homer glasses please!!!!
The best two teams in baseball are playing right now, that's why they play series instead of one and done.
The Rangers spanks the $kan$ and the Rays, the Gints spanked Philthadelphia, and now the Gints are spanking the Rangers.
The pecking order is pretty damn clear.
Remember, excuses are like ***holes.....

Scoreboard throws excuses directly out the window.

What exactly is your point? Considering that a 7-game series is the mother-of-all small sample sizes (i.e. crapshoot), let's make the comparison over a 162-game season, shall we?

Name these teams:

Team A:
OPS - .736
Runs scored - 802

Team B:
OPS - .757
Runs scored - 787

Team C:
OPS - .729
Runs scored - 697

Team D:
OPS - .745
Runs scored - 772

Team E:
OPS - .786
Runs scored - 859

That pecking order is pretty damn clear indeed. Are you really arguing that the postseason is anything but a crapshoot?

"azfinfanmang wrote:

Take off your pathetic homer glasses please!!!!
The best two teams in baseball are playing right now, that's why they play series instead of one and done.
The Rangers spanks the $kan$ and the Rays, the Gints spanked Philthadelphia, and now the Gints are spanking the Rangers.
The pecking order is pretty damn clear.

Remember, excuses are like ***holes.....

Scoreboard throws excuses directly out the window.

You're completely missing my point but that's ok. And no it has nothing to do with being a homer, but if you can seriously give me one Giant player that could crack the starting line up over any of the Red Sox regulars (besides Posey) please free to correct me.

Also you do realize that if the Rangers played in the AL East they wouldn't have even made the playoffs right?

There's a reason why they play 162 games in the season. It's a large simple size. The playoffs are a small sample size. You could throw the worst team in baseball against the best team and have them play over 100 5 or 7 game series and I'd bet you that the worst team would win a few of them.

Again this is taking NOTHING away from the Giants or the Rangers. Being the best team in the game and winning the WS are two different things. The best team doesn't always win. Bottom line is after the year is over no one remembers the best team but everyone remembers the WS champion.

"FaninPatsyLand wrote:

What exactly is your point? Considering that a 7-game series is the mother-of-all small sample sizes (i.e. crapshoot), let's make the comparison over a 162-game season, shall we?

Name these teams:

Team A:
OPS - .736
Runs scored - 802

Team B:
OPS - .757
Runs scored - 787

Team C:
OPS - .729
Runs scored - 697

Team D:
OPS - .745
Runs scored - 772

Team E:
OPS - .786
Runs scored - 859

That pecking order is pretty damn clear indeed. Are you really arguing that the postseason is anything but a crapshoot?

Stats don't mean jack****

Is Jose Bautista the best hitter in baseball? The stats say its not even close.
Is Adam Wainright the 3rd best pitcher in the Majors?
The stats say he is.
I only give a rats ass about one simple stat, and that is who has the most wins when you put two teams head to head in a series. That is about all that really matters.

Wait a minute. Isn't the best team the team that spends the most money because they buy the best players? How quickly that changed huh? I guess the system isn't as broken as you think right?

"azfinfanmang wrote:

Stats don't mean jack****

Is Jose Bautista the best hitter in baseball? The stats say its not even close.
Is Adam Wainright the 3rd best pitcher in the Majors?
The stats say he is.
I only give a rats ass about one simple stat, and that is who has the most wins when you put two teams head to head in a series. That is about all that really matters.

Show me the stat that says Jose Bautista is the best hitter in baseball.

"azfinfanmang wrote:

Stats don't mean jack****

Is Jose Bautista the best hitter in baseball? The stats say its not even close.
Is Adam Wainright the 3rd best pitcher in the Majors?
The stats say he is.
I only give a rats ass about one simple stat, and that is who has the most wins when you put two teams head to head in a series. That is about all that really matters.

Considering that Bautista ranked 5th in baseball in OPS behind:

Hamilton, Cabrera, Votto and Pujols

I'd say you're off-base.

"FaninPatsyLand wrote:

What exactly is your point? Considering that a 7-game series is the mother-of-all small sample sizes (i.e. crapshoot), let's make the comparison over a 162-game season, shall we?

Name these teams:

Team A:
OPS - .736
Runs scored - 802

Team B:
OPS - .757
Runs scored - 787

Team C:
OPS - .729
Runs scored - 697

Team D:
OPS - .745
Runs scored - 772

Team E:
OPS - .786
Runs scored - 859

That pecking order is pretty damn clear indeed. Are you really arguing that the postseason is anything but a crapshoot?

Just for fun who are those teams you listed?

"Ray Finkle wrote:

Just for fun who are those teams you listed?

Rays:
OPS - .736
Runs scored - 802

Rangers:
OPS - .757
Runs scored - 787

Giants:
OPS - .729
Runs scored - 697

Phillies:
OPS - .745
Runs scored - 772

Yankees:
OPS - .786
Runs scored - 859

"azfinfanmang wrote:

Take off your pathetic homer glasses please!!!!
The best two teams in baseball are playing right now, that's why they play series instead of one and done.
The Rangers spanks the $kan$ and the Rays, the Gints spanked Philthadelphia, and now the Gints are spanking the Rangers.
The pecking order is pretty damn clear.

Remember, excuses are like ***holes.....

Scoreboard throws excuses directly out the window.

:lol:

You're ridiculous

"FaninPatsyLand wrote:

Rays:
OPS - .736
Runs scored - 802

Rangers:
OPS - .757
Runs scored - 787

Giants:
OPS - .729
Runs scored - 697

Phillies:
OPS - .745
Runs scored - 772

Yankees:
OPS - .786
Runs scored - 859

Disclaimer: this post is to clear me of having 'pathetic homer glasses' because I said only Posey could crack a 3rd place team's line up. This post is not meant to put down the Giants in any way because let's face it they're 2 games away from winning a WS and the team I'm comparing them to hasn't played a meaningful game since August at best.

Comparing the Giants offensive # to that 3rd place team's numbers:

Giants:
Runs- 697
Hits- 1411
2B- 284
3B- 30
HR- 162
RBI- 660
SB- 55
BA- .257
OBP- .321
SLG- .408
OPS- .729

3rd Place Team:
Runs- 818
Hits- 1511
2B- 358
3B- 22
HR- 211
RBI- 782
SB- 68
BA- .268
OBP- .339
SLG- .451
OPS- .790

I rest my case.

"azfinfanmang wrote:

There was never any doubt it would be Cliff Lee in game 4 regardless of if the Rangers are 0-3 or 3-0

Cliff Lee has never pitched on short rest in his career, at least that's what one of the announcers said. I hope it's disastrous.

"FaninPatsyLand wrote:

What are they supposed to say? Give me a break. I'm sure it had nothing to do with Cliff Lee's command.

There's enough reasonable baseball fans in this thread to call a spade a spade -- the Giants lineup sucks. There's a reason they ranked in the lower half in all of baseball in OPS and runs scored this season.

Their line up sucks in stats, but when it comes to scoring enough, they are the best. Literally. Look at the pitchers they have beaten along the way. Yes, Giants pitching is #1. They have a knack for scoring just one more than they give up.

Latos, Oswalt, Halladay, Hamels, Lee. Some of the names they have beaten along the stretch.

"jdang307 wrote:

Their line up sucks in stats, but when it comes to scoring enough, they are the best. Literally. Look at the pitchers they have beaten along the way. Yes, Giants pitching is #1. They have a knack for scoring just one more than they give up.

Latos, Oswalt, Halladay, Hamels, Lee. Some of the names they have beaten along the stretch.

Again, bottom line is who cares how good or bad the Giants line up is. They're two games away from being world champions. That's all the matters. At this time next year no one is going to remember their offensive stats but they'll remember they were champs.

"jdang307 wrote:

Cliff Lee has never pitched on short rest in his career, at least that's what one of the announcers said. I hope it's disastrous.

They've been talking about ad naseum here.
I would be very very surprised if he doesn't pitch game 4, I will leave it at that.
The Rangers #2 might be done though.
CJ aquired a NASTY blister that "blew up" in the club house.
Never a good thing for a pitcher.

Ray and Patsyland, not sure why you two have to keep trying to discredit or diminish the Giants success, but it's getting really old. You're both big time homers and need to take your useless criticism somewhere else. Feel free to stay and keep hating though. I think it's pretty funny how you seem to have no life.

ray finkle>>>

Too bad the Red Sox didn't make the playoffs and you have to resort to trying to diminish other teams success.

Too bad he's not diminishing their success. It's too bad you have to keep attempting (with futility) to diminish his credibility with bogus personal attacks and blind homerism. It's not insulting or demeaning to admit that you're team isn't the best in baseball but have been riding a nice hot streak. More times than not, the team that wins the World Series isn't the best. That doesn't make the Giants run any less impressive (I'd argue it makes it more impressive). Little brother syndrome if I've ever seen it.

What is insulting is personally attacking Ray because you're tired of getting owned in every argument. His points are valid. If you wish to remain ignorant then be my guest, but do not attack him personally because you don't agree with it. Take off the Bay colored glasses and try to objectively argue against his points.