****Official 2010 New York Yankees Thread***

how about Damon telling the Sox to bonk themselves......I would rather stay on a team that has no shot than go back to Boston, wow.......I mean people have feelings, at some point running off players the way the Sox have a habit of doing I guess isnt cool to some of these guys...

Hey at least you know he probably took great joy in winning it all last year...

 

I think Damon needs to realize that this is a business and he does forget that the Red Sox did in fact offer him a 4 year 40 million dollar contract. He simply went to the Yankees because they offered him more money at 4 years 52 million (which in my opinion is fine and the player earns that right). If he was upset that the Sox didn't do more to resign him that's fine, again it's his feelings but I do feel that he is a little hyporitical here since the Yankees left him out in the cold this off season (basically did the same thing the Sox did to him in 2005) and he did in fact call up the Red Sox looking for a job this winter too. He also does forget that the team did turn him into a superstar and he'll always be remembered as the guy that looked like Jesus and helped the Sox win the 2004 World Series, not him playing for the Royals, A's, Yankees, Tigers or whoever else he plays for in his career. I think this decision hurts Damon's legacy a bit because of that, now he's never going to be cheered by Sox fans (whether that's right or wrong) because he was most likely going to be cheered if he played in any of the Sox/Tiger games this year.

As for players leaving on bad terms, it's funny because those same players always seem to come back to the Sox looking for jobs and have no problem being embraced by them later on, perfect examples see Nomar and Pedro, even Boggs and Clemens. And there are countless others who left the Sox (not on bad terms) but who beg the team to take them back (Nixon, Mirabelli, Arroyo, Millar, Schilling to name a few). The only one that I think you'll never see at Fenway Park being embraced for his past will be Manny Ramirez and that's because even if Manny left on the greatest terms ever I doubt he even cares about that stuff.

I'd be more upset with Damon's decision if the Sox were really in a playoff race and he could put the team over the top however I still don't think the Sox have a real shot or that even if Damon came to the Sox he'd help them that much.

 

What legacy of Damon's, he doesnt really have one...20 years from now, not many people will be talking about the legacy of Mr. Damon. He isnt evena lock to make the HOF. They wont be talking about Damon in 2004 either, they will simply talk about how the curse was broken, and Schilling's Sock...maybe people in Boston will, but not nationally...

New York never left Damon out in the cold, they did in fact offer more to him than Matsui....they had a 2 yr 12 million offer for him that he rejected...he wanted 12 million a year....what is he making this year?? 8?? He will be lucky to get that again this year. If anything Yankee fans should boo Damon. They never offered Matsui anything, they left him out in the cold.

I dont think anybody begged to come back to Boston, that was really good in that organization besides Nomar. Back then Duqette ran some guys out, and as time goes on wounds heal, like with New York. But as for Clemens who is touching him right now, Manny will come back I bet because he loves money, and they will offer him some cash to show up some random May afternoon 6 years down the road, after he goes into the Hall with a Sox cap on....As players retire and FO change, these guys/FO's all forgive, but while they are still playing they have to put up that "I'm not a sell out role"

Come to think of it though, I could easily see Manny never being heard from again...the dude is a wierdo ....

 

Completely disagree, Damon will be absolutely be remembered because of Jesus look alike and his big Game 7 in the ALCS, much like Aaron Boone and Bucky Dent are still remembered but their HRs but were nowhere near the player as Damon was. It doesn't matter that he might not be in the HOF.

What the Yankees offered Damon compared to MAtsui has nothing to do with the discussion. The bottom line is Damon wanted to return to both Boston and New York in those years and was offered contracts by both teams and rejected both of those offers and went to another team instead. After Damon rejected the Yankees offer, he went back to them a few weeks later looking for another offer and was told no thanks, seems to me like a little slap in the face, no? I don't really see a big difference between the two events except that he took a bigger payday to leave Boston and was stupid to reject the Yankees offer. In both case he was shown the door.

Maybe begging was a poor choice of words on my part. Anyway Pedro Martinez was a pretty damn good pitcher and asked to return and the Sox told him that they'd only sign him to a 3 year deal so Pedro left for the Mets who offered him the 4th year. And once his contract was up he called the Sox looking to come back and did come back this year to throw out the first pitch. Pedro certainly did much more for the Red Sox organization than Damon ever did and he left with hurt feelings but came back to the organization. Derek Lowe was a pretty good pitcher too and he basically begged to come back after the 2004 season.

Look every team has players that leave on bad terms, it happens because like I said it is a business and there are always feelings and emotions involved. Maybe something happened with Damon and the Sox FO that we don't know about, who knows.

 

Except for the fact that Cashman is paying the Damon/Matsui replacement 5.75 million dollars for playing in only 24 games this year. I wonder if the Yankees would have paid Matsui 6 million or Damon 8 million if they knew Johnson would be hurt all year (then again maybe they should have just assumed that anyway).

 

yeah we will have to disagree on this Boone's jack was the thing that ended Game 7, of a memorable series, I can see how that is a sticking point memory..If thats the case why not Millar's toasting before Game 6 and 7?? 2004 will always be remebered as Schilling Sock, and the comeback of being down 0-3, Ortiz's HR was wayyyyyyyy more important than the way Damon looked for Pete's sake...and that never gets talked about either....Boston/ESPN fans are fixated on the "idoit" roles of them back then, but most people dont really care about it, outside this area...In facr most people outside this area look at it as the Yankees choking the big one hahahaahh

No it wasnt a slap on the face, the Yankees offered Damon a fair market value contract based on Abreu's LAA deal from the previous year, and tacked on 2 more million for goodwill, for a lesser player than Abreu. Boras screwed Damon, not the Yankees..once he rejected it, they pulled the trigger on Granderson, and got Johnson....I believe was more of the new FO trying to change the Boras/Yankees culture, as in Boras takes Yankee offer shops it around, then comes back to Yankees cliaming he has a better one.....The Damon transaction should be a lesson for Boras that NY is playing market value for guys from now one like the Sox do, Mets do etc etc....Dont get me wrong the premiere guys like CC, or a Lee, yeah NY is going to do what they will to get them, but not 36 year old DH's....Steinbenner for as much as I loved him, would have shelled out the 10 million for Damon, with this new FO, they arent doing that anymore, I dont think you are going to see anymore loyality signing from these guys besides Jeet, and Rivera...maybe Andy(if he decides to play)....well that and Mo is stil the best...

 

ahhhhhhhhhh go to the BULLPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey maybe Hughes startes in the postseason.....

 

Signing Damon or Matsui for the 1 year instead of Johnson for the 1 year could be the difference between winning the division or wild card right now. While I agree it was good to keep whoever they signed to a short term deal, I do think that if you asked Cashman privately if he wish he would have signed either Damon or Matsui for this year instead of Johnson, he would say yes. I know Damon and Matsui are having down years but that has a lot to do with the home park they're playing at right now instead of it being YS. And the depth that the Yankees found in the replacement DH spot? You mean Randy Winn, Juan Miranda, Marcus Thames and Lance Berkman?

And Jason Giambi was not a bad Yankee. He's not the reason the Yankees didn't win a WS. Guys like Brown, Weaver, Vazquez, Wright, Pavano, Johnson, Loiaza, Clemens ('08), Wang ('08) and countless other pitchers are the reason why.

 

yeah I agree, I think they should have done Matsui on a one year deal, for 2 reasons, he kills the Sox, and he is clutch in the playoffs.....

The Yankees went low budge this past offseason as it is clear they are saving their ducks for this offseason....Crawford is going to look nice in pinstripes, hopefully they get him....I want Melky back too....

 

if thats the case, they are going to pull Vazy out, and rely on Nova the rest of the way until Andy gets right....

I say pitch him on rest, but he stays in the rotation....the kid is having an awesome year for who he is, and all they are going to do to screw him up....he isnt showing any signs of massive fatigue, I watched him last Thursday in person, and he was throwing 94....

 

But Boone's HR means nothing now since it just got the Yankees to a WS in which they lost, while Damon's HRs helped lead the Sox back from being down 0-3 and on the way to winning their first title in 86 years. Damon's HRs are much more memorable baseball history wise.

Millar's toasting before Game 6 and Game 7 isn't memorable because no one but the clubhouse saw it and who knows if that added anything to them winning baseball games. It's a nice story to talk about but ultimately it's meaningless.

The 3 most memorable imagines of that 2004 ALCS series is Schilling's sock, Ortiz and Damon's HRs.

And Damon's look is memorable much like Rollie Fingers and Goose's facial hair are. If you ask people 10 years after Damon retires what do you remember most about him I guarantee you people will bring up his HRs in Game 7 and the time he looked like Jesus.

Exactly, Damon's lasting image when he retires is going to be as a Red Sox (and it really should be).

 

and Moose.....I loved that guy, only time you ever heard from him was when he was ripping Pavano's ***....

 

Aight so Man-Ram has hit the waiver wire.....Yankees should throw tonights game, hope for the Rays to win....then they would have the chance over them to get him...and hope Chi-Town doesnt do it.....

Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com reports that Dodgers outfielder Manny Ramirez finally hit waivers on Wednesday afternoon.

 

I'd be shocked if the Red Sox didn't put in a waiver claim for Manny simply to block Tampa or the Yankees from getting him since Manny has a NTC and there would be zero chance he'd waive it to come back to Boston.

 

yeah me too, he isnt making it past Chicago though.....

I would have loved to have him though....

 

Any word on when Dave Eiland is coming back to fix him?

 

he pitched fine when eiland forst came back but has started to regress again

 

Petitte is going to have to come back strong for us to have a chance. This just doesnt have the feel of a world series team. We'll make the playoffs but I dont see us doing anything unless we get on a hot streak.

 

It's the story of Burnett's career. 4 good starts, then 5 bad ones, then 3 good ones, then 3 bad ones. He's just too inconsistent.

 

Because I will take Manny as a DH in the playoffs over Berkman, for this year, and then he is gone.....why is that funny...the guy is arguably when of the most clutch big game hitters in the history of baseball....

this is all moot however...he is never coming to NY....

 

Oakland and their army of good young pitchers are in town starting tonight...

 

they do hit for the kid...thats for sure....

Any word on the call ups???? Would love to see Monterio...

 

One of the NY papers is reporting the Yankees aren't calling up Montero since he's not on the 40 man roster and they don't waste/clear a spot. I know Jonathan Albaladejo, Chad Moeller and Greg Golson will be called up for now since the Yankees Triple A team is in the playoffs so once the season is over I'm sure you'll see Juan Miranda and Kevin Russo. Maybe even Aceves depending on his health. Of course Berkman, Arod and Pettitte will be up once they're healthy too.

 

face it Fink, you are a closet Yankee fan....

Bummer about Monterio.....

 

I just love the game my friend. I won't lie, I follow the Yankees just as closely as I do the Sox due to where I live and that they're a rival. You know the whole keep your friends close but the enemy closer thing.

Montero will probably get the call up next year sometime. The Yankees really don't have a big need for him or room on the 40 man roster and as it is they need to clear a spot for Chad Moeller and if they active Aceves. He'll probably get a cup of coffee next year unless the Yankees have a big injury. People forget as good of a hitter as he is, he's still very young and still without a real position.

 

this is a longshot..

According to Mark Feinsand, Bill Madden, Anthony McCarron and Roger Rubin of the New York Daily News, the Yankees believe will "continue to push" to make a deal for Ted Lilly.


According to the report, the Yankees "believe there is a loophole that because they were awarded the claim before the first of the month, they could use Lilly on their postseason roster." We're not sure if this could work. The Dodgers could still place Lilly on irrevocable waivers, however there's no guarantee that he would actually make it to the Yankees. In the end, they'd probably be better served to keep him for the draft picks.

 

Very true, I do the same with the Sox as well....I dont hate the Sox like I used to when I was a kid....IDK maybe its because of the championships, I mean dont get me wrong, when NY plays them, I want the Yankees to win hands down everytime....but I'm such a sucker for them 2 in the playoffs every year..

Yeah I agree on monterio....I am just anxious to see the kid....

hey RF, are you a Dolphins fan?? I dont think I ever remember you posting on a Dolphin subject/thread...

 

I'm not sure if this report is true. Everything that I heard/know of waivers is once a player gets pulled back, they're either not allowed to be dealt for 30 days or not allowed to be dealt period. If he is allowed to be dealt then he can't be used for the post season as the player has to be in the organization by 9/1.

Do you have a link? I'd be interested in reading this though.

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b..._pitcher_ted_lilly_source_but_dodgers_un.html